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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 01 2017 12:13 Introvert wrote: He said lots of things Dems should like, but they mostly sat on their hands. Going to be weird. I missed it, reading about it now. What should I like about it? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24343 Posts
My god that was miserable, Democrats are quickly becoming a lost cause. Throwing good political energy after bad. Did he actually call himself a Republican? Seriously. He said "I'm a proud Republican" | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On March 01 2017 12:41 GreenHorizons wrote: Yeah, giving responses doesn't typically work out that well, Nikki is probably the best results in a while. My god that was miserable, Democrats are quickly becoming a lost cause. Throwing good political energy after bad. Did he actually call himself a Republican? Seriously. He said "I'm a proud Republican" Yeah, I thought that the proclamation that he was a republican was dumb. He basically announced that he is a tool and that the democrats are clueless on how to reconnect with their blue collar, middle America base. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24343 Posts
On March 01 2017 12:47 Plansix wrote: This pretty much sums it up. https://twitter.com/gilbertjasono/status/836781341484146688 How much of this are you guys going to put up with before you say enough? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On March 01 2017 12:49 GreenHorizons wrote: How much of this are you guys going to put up with before you say enough? I outlined a couple of days ago that I think there will probably need to legitimately be a 3rd party single issue campaign if the US is ever going to get medicare for all, or any form of public option/single payer. The democrats certainly have no will for it. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 01 2017 12:49 GreenHorizons wrote: How much of this are you guys going to put up with before you say enough? The rebuttal to the speech is always a meat grinder. It isn't something I concern myself with. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
That said, a very small portion of America is going to pay attention to the main speech, let alone the rebuttal. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24343 Posts
On March 01 2017 12:54 Plansix wrote: The rebuttal to the speech is always a meat grinder. It isn't something I concern myself with. It's not about the content, it's about the message they were sending. They would have been better off just not responding. The other aspect being that clearly they are moving further right to try to capture the wwc and ignoring the millions of millennials and others who are upset about that very choice (moving right, not trying to get the wwc). You think telling the segments of the party that Bernie crushed Hillary in to jump off a cliff is a wise strategy? Hell, they could have given it to a progressive just to throw them to the wolves. They aren't even stomping out that segment of party correctly. | ||
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Introvert
United States5028 Posts
On March 01 2017 12:40 Mohdoo wrote: I missed it, reading about it now. What should I like about it? Found anything yet? Democrats love the idea of family leave and infrastructure spending, just to list two off the top. I loved seeing Democrats in the audience look around trying to decide if they should be clapping or not. Was a sight to behold. Almost made it worth watching instead of reading. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 01 2017 13:01 GreenHorizons wrote: It's not about the content, it's about the message they were sending. They would have been better off just not responding. The other aspect being that clearly they are moving further right to try to capture the wwc and ignoring the millions of millennials and others who are upset about that very choice (moving right, not trying to get the wwc). You think telling the segments of the party that Bernie crushed Hillary in to jump off a cliff is a wise strategy? Hell, they could have given it to a progressive just to throw them to the wolves. They aren't even stomping out that segment of party correctly. Oh fucking yawn GH. It's a big county, they need a couple messages. Shockingly your shitty measage doesn't even appeal to every left leaning person in this thread, so maybe you just suck at conniving people of anything. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
imagine if cory booker had gone up, even if he gave a speech certain people would bitch about the DNC not getting it and forcing a 2020 candidate or some shit like that. | ||
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Introvert
United States5028 Posts
On March 01 2017 12:47 Plansix wrote: This pretty much sums it up. https://twitter.com/gilbertjasono/status/836781341484146688 Millions of young liberals in dark blue states. Democrats still assume they have many states locked up by the imported immigrant population. No need to appeal to angry protesters there! Edit: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On March 01 2017 13:01 GreenHorizons wrote: It's not about the content, it's about the message they were sending. They would have been better off just not responding. The other aspect being that clearly they are moving further right to try to capture the wwc and ignoring the millions of millennials and others who are upset about that very choice (moving right, not trying to get the wwc). You think telling the segments of the party that Bernie crushed Hillary in to jump off a cliff is a wise strategy? Hell, they could have given it to a progressive just to throw them to the wolves. They aren't even stomping out that segment of party correctly. Young liberal voters don't watch rebuttals to minor speeches. The people who tune in to this speech will be both older and more Republican than the typical voter base. The rebuttal caters to the demographics of the audience. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24343 Posts
On March 01 2017 13:03 Plansix wrote: Oh fucking yawn GH. It's a big county, they need a couple messages. Shockingly your shitty measage doesn't even appeal to every left leaning person in this thread, so maybe you just suck at conniving people of anything. When it comes to voting time, you all can't say you weren't warned (again). Mine isn't even a message so much as commentary on the dismal state of the Democratic party. On March 01 2017 13:04 acker wrote: Young liberal voters don't watch rebuttals to minor speeches. The people who tune in to this speech will be both older and more Republican than the typical voter base. The rebuttal caters to the demographics of the audience. It's true that most don't watch the rebuttal, but they will watch their preferred progressive outlet skewer it as pathetic and embarrassing. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 01 2017 13:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/AP/status/836789928902148096 This way we can avoid pissing off service members who were not happy their translators were banned from the country. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 01 2017 13:15 GreenHorizons wrote: When it comes to voting time, you all can't say you weren't warned (again). Mine isn't even a message so much as commentary on the dismal state of the Democratic party. GH, you are welcome to bring all your progressive fiends to my rural ass, white as the driven snow home town and convince them of the merits of progressive values. Its like 900 people, zero minorities. We had a black family live there for all of seven months. Surrounded by dead mill towns were all the manufacturing jobs left. Dirt poor. My elementary school got condemned by the state and the two towns next to us had to chip in to build a new school. I want to see the pitch. The message you folks would use to convince that place that single payer is the way, $15 minimum wage is the future. They got mad because Dunken Donuts paid $10 per hour out by Boston, so I want to see the $15 solid to them. Because the message that was on tonight would have appealed to my home town. They like that shit. They like being talked to by people who say "I'm like you". They like diners and not to talk about diversity or hippy issues. Yes, they still say things like hippy issues. I want to see how progressives plan to win over these people, because you need them to win states like Ohio and Michigan. | ||
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