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ZerOCoolSC2
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xDaunt
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GreenHorizons
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On February 08 2017 11:18 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Wouldn't the plaintiffs be able to use the fact that it actually is a Muslim ban and is only being worded differently in the media because of the backlash? The wording was done carefully for this very reason, it would be harder to overturn. Being that Obama only slowed down and didn't halt completely remains the key difference. If he had included Saudia Arabia or Pakistan or UAE it would be different I suppose. But it does nothing to try and sugarcoat it. It's a Muslim Ban and if it is granted, it will radicalize a lot of people. A refugee pause causing terrorist radicalization must be the most islamophobic thing I've ever heard. Yeah pause immigration and this peaceful religion will suddenly turn murderous. It's insulting and any thinking person should feel insulted. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On February 08 2017 11:29 GreenHorizons wrote: So Bernie is mopping the floor with Cruz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c6HuNw8Kfo Good on both of them for agreeing to do this. | ||
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Introvert
United States5065 Posts
On February 08 2017 11:29 GreenHorizons wrote: So Bernie is mopping the floor with Cruz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c6HuNw8Kfo This is the fun part of debates, I have the exact opposite opinion. Tis the nature of politics now I suppose. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On February 08 2017 11:29 Danglars wrote: A refugee pause causing terrorist radicalization must be the most islamophobic thing I've ever heard. Yeah pause immigration and this peaceful religion will suddenly turn murderous. It's insulting and any thinking person should feel insulted. that's a rather disingenuous way of putting it. I'd rather put it like: doing a dick move for no legitimate reason pisses people off. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On February 08 2017 11:32 Introvert wrote: This is the fun part of debates, I have the exact opposite opinion. Tis the nature of politics now I suppose. ipolitics has ALWAYS been that way. most people simply aren't good at making an unbiased assessment of such things (setting aside what that would even mean). | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On February 08 2017 11:37 zlefin wrote: ipolitics has ALWAYS been that way. most people simply aren't good at making an unbiased assessment of such things (setting aside what that would even mean). yea idk if this is a matter of objective proficiency at anything people think the politician they agree more with is winning the only decent metric for winning i can think of is total number of minds changed in favor of one's side | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On February 08 2017 11:40 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: yea idk if this is a matter of objective proficiency at anything people think the politician they agree more with is winning the only decent metric for winning i can think of is total number of minds changed in favor of one's side that is often a better metric indeed. of course it's often the case that the goal is not to change anyone's mind, but to increase the amount of support your base gives you. (i.e. willingness to donate time/money), which is trickier to measure. it's rather akin to virtue signalling as well. it's very rare to see a political debate truly aimed at determining the truth of some issue to a semi-objective standard. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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On February 08 2017 11:29 Danglars wrote: A refugee pause causing terrorist radicalization must be the most islamophobic thing I've ever heard. Yeah pause immigration and this peaceful religion will suddenly turn murderous. It's insulting and any thinking person should feel insulted. Looking at worse case scenario, a person who is denied entry by a racist administration because of their religion would look to get back at that administration. ISIS will use it to fuel their propaganda and recruit harder than before. Then the worst fears are realized and gives the EO clout. Am I saying and believing that this will happen? No. Not one bit. I'm looking at it from a different angle. If Trump wants to entice other nations and powers just because he thinks he can, why can't someone else do it back? | ||
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oneofthem
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ZerOCoolSC2
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On February 08 2017 11:45 oneofthem wrote: lol why would you send bernie to this type of a debate. He's bored. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On February 08 2017 11:45 oneofthem wrote: lol why would you send bernie to this type of a debate. None of the other democrats are popular enough to draw views to this type of debate anymore. Cruz certainly isn't driving the views to this thing with his rather... stellar... charisma. I doubt it'd be worth CNN's time to run any of the other democratic senators in this format aside from maaybe Warren, and she's still not as popular as Bernie. I would agree that this isn't Bernie's strongest suit, while it definitely is for Cruz. Also, a small point of consensus - both of them agree health care is too complicated. | ||
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Introvert
United States5065 Posts
On February 08 2017 11:51 Nevuk wrote: None of the other democrats are popular enough to draw views to this type of debate anymore. Cruz certainly isn't driving the views to this thing with his rather... stellar... charisma. I doubt it'd be worth CNN's time to run any of the other democratic senators in this format aside from maaybe Warren, and she's still not as popular as Bernie. I would agree that this isn't Bernie's strongest suit, while it definitely is for Cruz. Also, a small point of consensus - both of them agree health care is too complicated. Tbf, Cruz is a lot more charismatic when he's not preaching in front a crowd. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On February 08 2017 11:45 oneofthem wrote: lol why would you send bernie to this type of a debate. Name a single democrat besides Obama or Biden anyone gives a shit about | ||
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biology]major
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oneofthem
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On February 08 2017 11:55 Mohdoo wrote: Name a single democrat besides Obama or Biden anyone gives a shit about i'd send in the young jason kander ze establishment must cultivate young leaders. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On February 08 2017 11:55 biology]major wrote: This debate in the absence of any political reward is so much more chill and they are actually agreeing on things. I think Cruz is much better than Sanders at debating, he is more articulate, has stats, and is thorough and convincing. Sanders is very genuine though so that helps his overall charisma. Gonna have to say Lyin ted is winning though by my super objective standards! Cruz was a debate champion at Princeton. This is like his favorite thing in the world. In fact, I think this is the only activity on earth which Ted Cruz is actually capable of enjoying. It's made a lot harder by what he's defending having some logical holes. If the GOP had a replacement plan for Obamacare he'd have a much easier job in most ways. On February 08 2017 11:57 oneofthem wrote: i'd send in the young jason kander ze establishment must cultivate young leaders. I'm not entirely sure that Bernie being here is part of any DNC plan, it seems mostly to be about him pushing universal healthcare to an audience. On a related note to young leaders, I heard the most ridiculous bit of speculation on NPR, that the washington attorney general was now well situated for 2020. That was even before the oral arguments today. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33723 Posts
On February 08 2017 11:29 Danglars wrote: A refugee pause causing terrorist radicalization must be the most islamophobic thing I've ever heard. Yeah pause immigration and this peaceful religion will suddenly turn murderous. It's insulting and any thinking person should feel insulted. People are people and will react to feeling persecuted as people - particularly those put upon - do... (that being said I'm not a big fan of Islam as a religion, and think they have (it has?) some serious catching up to do to adapt to the modern world..... just this particular statement I don't think is meant to imply what you took from it) | ||
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