EPTEdit: Similarly, if the wall ends up as a "yeah, well, we'll do it eventually, and uh, we don't quite have the money yet, but I bet Mexico is gonna give up soon!", its gonna be a massive flop.
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
Edit: Similarly, if the wall ends up as a "yeah, well, we'll do it eventually, and uh, we don't quite have the money yet, but I bet Mexico is gonna give up soon!", its gonna be a massive flop. | ||
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RealityIsKing
613 Posts
On January 27 2017 03:17 Mohdoo wrote: Anyone else feel like the direction and efficacy of this administration is going to be extremely well established in the first year? This thing is either gonna take off like a rocket or crash and burn. If Mexico somehow ends up paying for the wall, it will be one of the greatest political victories ever. America have the resources and the power to pull off stunts like this but the politicians up top such as Hillary Clinton was too greedy and started accepting fundings from the globalist establishment. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18483 Posts
On January 27 2017 03:17 Mohdoo wrote: Anyone else feel like the direction and efficacy of this administration is going to be extremely well established in the first year? This thing is either gonna take off like a rocket or crash and burn. If Mexico somehow ends up paying for the wall, it will be one of the greatest political victories ever. Edit: Similarly, if the wall ends up as a "yeah, well, we'll do it eventually, and uh, we don't quite have the money yet, but I bet Mexico is gonna give up soon!", its gonna be a massive flop. Well, I'm pretty sure Trump can spin "they paid for the wall" any way he likes. If he builds the damn thing and drives the Mexican economy into the ground, then he can say that while they didn't pay directly, they paid indirectly, because their goods became cheaper, and thus all that lost revenue (counted in USD, at least) is what paid for the wall. Or something equally bullshitty depending on the actual situation of both countries' economies and the trade relation in a few years time. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 27 2017 03:29 Acrofales wrote: Well, I'm pretty sure Trump can spin "they paid for the wall" any way he likes. If he builds the damn thing and drives the Mexican economy into the ground, then he can say that while they didn't pay directly, they paid indirectly, because their goods became cheaper, and thus all that lost revenue (counted in USD, at least) is what paid for the wall. Or something equally bullshitty depending on the actual situation of both countries' economies and the trade relation in a few years time. In effect, doubling the cost of the wall by making both countries pay for the wall individually lol >_< | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
http://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Pay_for_the_Wall.pdf | ||
TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On January 27 2017 03:01 xDaunt wrote: Bad move by Nieto. I don't think that he has properly gauged how much Mexico has to lose from all of this. Nor has he properly measured Trump's resolve and the support that Trump is going to have. Elections in Mexico are coming up. Nieto is constantly loosing support because people feel like he is getting bullied around by the USA without speaking out against them. This standing up against Trump is mostly an publicity move so he doesn't loose the next election. If Trump continues his course against Mexico and Nieto looses the election, ALMO is gonna be president, a far left, nationalistic, Anti-US candidate. And 1 year later a country allied with China will share a border with the USA. | ||
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kwizach
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On January 27 2017 03:46 MrCon wrote: About the Mexico will pay for the wall stuff, it seems to me the plan Trump team made is pretty sound and realistic. It has been made public forever but I still never seen a media outlet discuss the actual specifics, they act like this document doesn't exist. http://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Pay_for_the_Wall.pdf I remember that proposal being discussed. It is neither sound nor realistic. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 27 2017 03:48 TheNewEra wrote: Elections in Mexico are coming up. Nieto is constantly loosing support because people feel like he is getting bullied around by the USA without speaking out against them. This standing up against Trump is mostly an publicity move so he doesn't loose the next election. If Trump continues his course against Mexico and Nieto looses the election, ALMO is gonna be president, a far left nationalistic Anti-US candidate. And 1 year later a country allied with China will share a border with the USA. No problem. We just gotta get the CIA to overthrow their government and everything will be fine! | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On January 27 2017 03:51 Mohdoo wrote: No problem. We just gotta get the CIA to overthrow their government and everything will be fine! South american politics is easy to manipulate and has never caused problems to the US #altfacts | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On January 27 2017 03:46 MrCon wrote: About the Mexico will pay for the wall stuff, it seems to me the plan Trump team made is pretty sound and realistic. It has been made public forever but I still never seen a media outlet discuss the actual specifics, they act like this document doesn't exist. http://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Pay_for_the_Wall.pdf Unfortunately it's pretty unclear exactly which parts of the Trump site are actually real in the sense of he believes in them rather than just quick work by an intern forced to interpret his musings who now has nothing to do with the administration; I don't think it's been updated at all post-election. His official site position is still a global Muslim immigration ban, for example. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On January 27 2017 03:55 Doodsmack wrote: Trumps big dick foreign policy including trade is gonna be backfire city. As if "backfire city" isn't the status quo for American FP over the past decade and a half. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 27 2017 03:55 Doodsmack wrote: Trumps big dick foreign policy including trade is gonna be backfire city. I must admit, seeing the Netherlands pick up the tab on the abortion stuff certainly did make me wonder. By Trump killing that funding, we saved 600,000,000 and it ends up being paid by someone else. So the world will be in just as good of shape, except someone else is paying for it. It is *exactly* the kind of thing he said would happen. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Risking major political economic problems in North America over something so minor can only be attributed to his massive ego and pride. Perhaps most absurd is what Trump just said in his speech now. He said that Mexico is not respecting America. That's like a bully demanding that somebody else pay for their lunch and then saying that person is not respecting them when they refuse to. Of course this all ignores the fact that have been brought up in this thread that by making Mexico economically weaker Trump is only going to make the problem worse. And some shity wall wasn't going to stop the backlash. | ||
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RealityIsKing
613 Posts
On January 27 2017 03:50 kwizach wrote: I remember that proposal being discussed. It is neither sound nor realistic. Nah it is pretty realistic. Mexico is already chickening out. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46611 Posts
On January 27 2017 03:55 Doodsmack wrote: Trumps big dick foreign policy including trade is gonna be backfire city. Honestly, I hope that the Mexican president cancels all meetings with Donald Trump over the next 4 years. Bullies need to be ignored or told off, despite Trump ironically playing the victim card: "By early afternoon, Mr. Trump said it was the United States that was being treated unfairly." https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/world/mexicos-president-cancels-meeting-with-trump-over-wall.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&referer=https://m.facebook.com/ Pardon my perpetual eye roll. What a fucking tool. | ||
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farvacola
United States18870 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46611 Posts
On January 27 2017 04:02 RealityIsKing wrote: Nah it is pretty realistic. Mexico is already chickening out. Oh I get it, you're doing the whole "alternative fact" thing? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46611 Posts
On January 27 2017 04:11 farvacola wrote: Did y'all see that Spicer accidentally tweeted what looks like a password? Please tell me this actually happened. Could you imagine 4chan or Reddit running wild with his Twitter? | ||
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farvacola
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