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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
October 28 2016 00:56 GMT
#115821
On October 28 2016 09:39 Plansix wrote:


Apparently terrorism is cool if your white. I can't even right now.


Jesus Christ.
Never Knows Best.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44120 Posts
October 28 2016 01:21 GMT
#115822
On October 28 2016 09:48 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2016 09:00 KwarK wrote:
On October 28 2016 08:48 IgnE wrote:
I wasn't asking whether you would donate a kidney for some undisclosed price. I was asking whether you think requiring a donation at market-price is an acceptable solution to poverty.

*edited for clarity

I think organs represent a moral hazard but I don't know that I'd rule kidneys out. A lot of people die waiting for them and a lot of people in great health have spares. It's a tricky one. Both parties benefit greatly from the transaction.

Oddly enough kidney donors have better long term health outcomes than the general population (selection bias). I looked into it quite a lot a while back, I was considering non directed kidney donation (you donate it to whoever needs it without knowing who). With appropriate safeguards I may lean kidney sale legalization. But we're a long way from plasma at this point.


but then the problem is that in the kidney free market its probably poor people who give up a kidney for 20-30k (making this up). and then the poor people have one kidney, and poor people have worse health so their one kidney goes kaput.

iirc iran has a program kidney purchase program that works. its like 5k or something.

Sure. But poor people already go without something more important to them than a kidney that has shitty health outcomes. It's called money. If one person has a surplus of monies and not enough kidneys and the not enough kidneys is making him sick and another person has a surplus of kidneys and not enough monies and the not enough monies is making him sick then I'm not sure we really need to get in the way of that being resolved.

But like I said, we're a long way from plasma which doesn't significantly impact the health of the donor assuming good practices by the agency and good faith donation (not cheating their health screening) by the donor.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14146 Posts
October 28 2016 01:27 GMT
#115823
Repealing Obamacare was Brexit before Brexit was Brexit.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 28 2016 01:33 GMT
#115824
On October 28 2016 10:27 Sermokala wrote:
Repealing Obamacare was Brexit before Brexit was Brexit.

Soon you will be calling Trump "Mr. Brexit."
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-28 01:40:07
October 28 2016 01:39 GMT
#115825
The rage I feel regarding the bundy case. Oh man. I am just making myself not think about it. Such a disgrace to my beautiful state. Stupid rednecks ugh.
BallinWitStalin
Profile Joined July 2008
1177 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-11 19:22:00
October 28 2016 01:41 GMT
#115826
I await the reminiscent nerd chills I will get when I hear a Korean broadcaster yell "WEEAAAAVVVVVUUUHHH" while watching Dota
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4421 Posts
October 28 2016 01:49 GMT
#115827
On October 28 2016 00:29 oneofthem wrote:
'can't we just drone this guy' seems to be a hillary humor moment. it's obvious to everyone that we can't just drone him. guy's in the middle of london

He wasn't in the embassy when she said that.
Close to two years prior.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
October 28 2016 02:03 GMT
#115828
I'd like to read a good analysis of that bundy verdict; as well as to which charges specifically the verdict was on. I assume by tomorrow there will be a good article covering it.

Glad noone was hurt in that Pence plane incident.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 28 2016 02:04 GMT
#115829


Johnson comes off horribly in this interview
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-28 02:13:35
October 28 2016 02:10 GMT
#115830
is reddit r/all full of donald spam right now or just me? what is going on with those supporters?
There is no one like you in the universe.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 28 2016 02:25 GMT
#115831
On October 28 2016 11:04 Nevuk wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvULsrjLdI4

Johnson comes off horribly in this interview

This could've been an extremely better outcome for third-party candidates with the premier partys' unfavorables.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 28 2016 02:28 GMT
#115832
not really. third parties are all wack in policy terms.

if sanders won and we had a bloomberg run then maybe, but the best third party candidate right now is that kotlikoff guy lol.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
October 28 2016 02:35 GMT
#115833
On October 28 2016 11:10 Blisse wrote:
is reddit r/all full of donald spam right now or just me? what is going on with those supporters?

There are a large number of supporters that take time out of their day to make sure they upvote absolutely everything on that forum. Regardless of content, as long as it's pro-trump.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-28 02:38:28
October 28 2016 02:37 GMT
#115834
On October 28 2016 11:35 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2016 11:10 Blisse wrote:
is reddit r/all full of donald spam right now or just me? what is going on with those supporters?

There are a large number of supporters that take time out of their day to make sure they upvote absolutely everything on that forum. Regardless of content, as long as it's pro-trump.


There are also bots dedicated to upvoting the content, I think. That's part of why the mods curate content so aggressively, the bots can't tell what's pro-Trump and what isn't all that well.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
October 28 2016 02:49 GMT
#115835
On October 28 2016 11:37 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2016 11:35 The_Templar wrote:
On October 28 2016 11:10 Blisse wrote:
is reddit r/all full of donald spam right now or just me? what is going on with those supporters?

There are a large number of supporters that take time out of their day to make sure they upvote absolutely everything on that forum. Regardless of content, as long as it's pro-trump.


There are also bots dedicated to upvoting the content, I think. That's part of why the mods curate content so aggressively, the bots can't tell what's pro-Trump and what isn't all that well.

I've lurked the forum for a really long time and I'm pretty sure that there aren't significant numbers of up vote bots. I could be wrong though.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 28 2016 03:13 GMT
#115836
On October 28 2016 11:49 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2016 11:37 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 28 2016 11:35 The_Templar wrote:
On October 28 2016 11:10 Blisse wrote:
is reddit r/all full of donald spam right now or just me? what is going on with those supporters?

There are a large number of supporters that take time out of their day to make sure they upvote absolutely everything on that forum. Regardless of content, as long as it's pro-trump.


There are also bots dedicated to upvoting the content, I think. That's part of why the mods curate content so aggressively, the bots can't tell what's pro-Trump and what isn't all that well.

I've lurked the forum for a really long time and I'm pretty sure that there aren't significant numbers of up vote bots. I could be wrong though.


They've been warned multiple times about it by the people running reddit.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 28 2016 03:24 GMT
#115837
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
October 28 2016 03:37 GMT
#115838
I would REALLY recommend that democrats avoid using the word racist so much, its so overused that its basically lost any power it may have once had as a label and has become more of an eye roll statement.
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-28 03:43:21
October 28 2016 03:41 GMT
#115839
On October 28 2016 12:37 Adreme wrote:
I would REALLY recommend that democrats avoid using the word racist so much, its so overused that its basically lost any power it may have once had as a label and has become more of an eye roll statement.

Not really.
I mean, look at the Mark Kirk video above our posts.
If I'm supposed to not call that racist, then I may as well be mute.
Big water
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 28 2016 03:43 GMT
#115840
On October 28 2016 12:37 Adreme wrote:
I would REALLY recommend that democrats avoid using the word racist so much, its so overused that its basically lost any power it may have once had as a label and has become more of an eye roll statement.

So you don't think that was a racist statement? That's genuinely impressive thinking.
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