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On September 15 2016 11:08 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +But I legitimately think Clinton is worse as a candidate than I originally thought Seems like the only reasonable position on Clinton for her supporters. Otherwise they were lying during the primary or they are lying now.
I don't think she's any worse. I already assumed there was some level of corruption, much like any politician, and so far none of the leaks have shown anything that I wouldn't expect from any other politician. In fact they show her to be less corrupt than other politicians. I don't think she's the best possible candidate we could've had, but between all the possibilities of herself, trump, cruz, and bernie, she was by far the best and in my opinion the only one that is even remotely palatable. If Biden had run, he would've had my vote for sure. If someone not retarded who could somehow avoid saying stupid things and being disconnected from reality had won the republican nomination, there's a good chance they would've had my vote. As is, she ran against a detached from reality socialist, and is now running against a detached from reality, well no one knows what trump is since his stances change more than once every day.
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On September 15 2016 10:40 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +Donald Trump made what his campaign billed as two major disclosures on Wednesday. First, an attorney provided a timeline of his Slovenia-born wife’s immigration status. Then, amid questions about his health during a television interview, Trump pulled some medical test results out of his blazer pocket.
Yet despite these high-profile gestures, Trump remains the least transparent major presidential nominee in modern history. He is the first since 1976 to refuse to release his tax returns. He has declined to provide documentation of the “tens of millions” of dollars he claims to have donated to charity. He has yet to release a comprehensive accounting of his health. And, while Wednesday’s letter about Melania Trump’s immigration from her home country offers a few new details, there is no documentation to back up the claims.
At the same time, Trump and his aides are criticizing rival Hillary Clinton as secretive and demanding more information from her about her emails and health. Many Democrats also see Trump’s refusal to release basic information as hypocritical since for years, he was one of the loudest voices demanding that President Obama release his birth certificate to prove he was born in Hawaii and qualified to be president. Trump also called on Obama to release his college applications, school transcripts and passport applications.
Trump’s campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, played down Trump’s need to release health records on MSNBC on Tuesday: “I don’t know why we need such extensive medical reporting when we all have a right to privacy.”
In the same TV interview, Conway criticized Clinton for not immediately disclosing that she had been diagnosed with mild pneumonia last week, a decision that came to a head on Sunday when she left a 9/11 memorial service after feeling overheated. “Why in the world did Hillary Clinton lie to everyone and conceal such an important fact for two days?” Conway asked.
On Wednesday, Clinton’s campaign released a letter from her doctor describing her treatment for “mild, non-contagious bacterial pneumonia” and noting that she received a CT scan confirming the illness and that she is halfway through an antibiotic regimen. In July 2015, Clinton released a two-page letter from her doctor that contained several lab results and more information than what Trump has thus far released.
Clinton also recently made public the past nine years of her tax returns, showing that she and her husband, former president Bill Clinton, had an income of $10.7 million for 2015 and paid about $3.6 million in federal taxes. Despite gestures, Trump is still the least transparent U.S. presidential candidate in modern history
Conway also went on television and said campaigns and the media were obligated to provide the context of quotes of candidates, then mounted a campaign response to Clinton's basket of deplorables comment without doing so.
Unfortunately for Clinton (and fortunately for Trump) Conway has brought a much slicker organization to the Trump campaign that deflects and masks things like this far better than they were previously-it's no longer as naked as it used to be and thus, in the perceptions of the people, it has improved.
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Trump, Jr. just retweeted this... 
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She double-deleted the emails so them secrets are protected  .
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Are Americas secrets in some kind of treasure chest in the oval office that the president carries around or how does this work?
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Pretty sure it's all on a floppy disk
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Not in a treasure chest, but in a private email server to be kept in one's personal residence during one's tenure as president.
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You guys are all wrong. They're on laser discs and since no one ever bought one of those things they're safe as fuck.
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On September 15 2016 11:40 LegalLord wrote:
Not in a treasure chest, but in a private email server to be kept in one's personal residence during one's tenure as president.
I do wonder if her supporters think she's not going to try something similar to what she did as SoS, as president?
On September 15 2016 11:43 OuchyDathurts wrote:
You guys are all wrong. They're on laser discs and since no one ever bought one of those things they're safe as fuck.
So few people realize that's why CD's were called CD's
+ Show Spoiler +Does anyone here have/had a cd-i?
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On September 15 2016 11:44 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2016 11:40 LegalLord wrote:
Not in a treasure chest, but in a private email server to be kept in one's personal residence during one's tenure as president. I do wonder if her supporters think she's not going to try something similar to what she did as SoS, as president?
I feel like there's far more layers of hand holding and wrangling for a president than a SoS. I'm also guessing there are secure servers of some description in the WH already so if she wants to sleep by one they're right there.
On September 15 2016 11:44 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2016 11:43 OuchyDathurts wrote:
You guys are all wrong. They're on laser discs and since no one ever bought one of those things they're safe as fuck. So few people realize that's why CD's were called CD's + Show Spoiler +Does anyone here have/had a cd-i?
OMG I totally forgot about those. I remember playing one at Sears or something as a kid and wanting it so bad. We never had a console growing up.
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On September 15 2016 11:48 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2016 11:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 15 2016 11:40 LegalLord wrote:
Not in a treasure chest, but in a private email server to be kept in one's personal residence during one's tenure as president. I do wonder if her supporters think she's not going to try something similar to what she did as SoS, as president? I feel like there's far more layers of hand holding and wrangling for a president than a SoS. I'm also guessing there are secure servers of some description in the WH already so if she wants to sleep by one they're right there.
Well if we're to believe her she did all of it with her hand being held (also probably related to her IT guys pleading the 5th again).
I think it's clear she was trying to converse with people creating a paper trail that she wanted excluded from FOIA (but isn't). I don't see her stopping that or anyone stopping her if she's president.
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On September 15 2016 11:54 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2016 11:48 OuchyDathurts wrote:On September 15 2016 11:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 15 2016 11:40 LegalLord wrote:
Not in a treasure chest, but in a private email server to be kept in one's personal residence during one's tenure as president. I do wonder if her supporters think she's not going to try something similar to what she did as SoS, as president? I feel like there's far more layers of hand holding and wrangling for a president than a SoS. I'm also guessing there are secure servers of some description in the WH already so if she wants to sleep by one they're right there. Well if we're to believe her she did all of it with her hand being held (also probably related to her IT guys pleading the 5th again). I think it's clear she was trying to converse with people creating a paper trail that she wanted excluded from FOIA (but isn't). I don't see her stopping that or anyone stopping her if she's president.
I'm not sure. You live in the house and work in the house which is always full of staff. IT, Military, legal, etc down the line. I feel like the president can't actually piss without someone holding his dick. Like I think when you show up the first day you get told how things are going down, this is how things are done, get used to it. Here's your phone, here's your email, here is the book with secret stuff you can never talk about, these things aren't up for debate, enjoy the next 4 years, lunch is at 12:35, we're having pulled pork and a salad.
Only a few people know for certain. I just think there are more things dictated to you as the president than people think. This is the way it is because this is the way its gotta be.
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Bottom line is simply that 'Americas secrets' isn't a thing. That's just a word for all the stuff that the different institutions, intelligence agencies and corporations shuffle around. And it's not like Hillary's personal emails matter in this case. She's not some kind of druid like lorekeeper.
This is like Trump's "I'll call Bill Gates so we can figure out how to get ISIS off the internet". That's not how things actually work
What matters are the security policies and bureaucrats that she's going to put in place and given what kind of personnel Trump has floating around a Clinton administration seems by far less amateurish. The Obama administration at least hasn't really produced a single controversy over 8 years.
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On September 15 2016 12:02 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2016 11:54 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 15 2016 11:48 OuchyDathurts wrote:On September 15 2016 11:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 15 2016 11:40 LegalLord wrote:
Not in a treasure chest, but in a private email server to be kept in one's personal residence during one's tenure as president. I do wonder if her supporters think she's not going to try something similar to what she did as SoS, as president? I feel like there's far more layers of hand holding and wrangling for a president than a SoS. I'm also guessing there are secure servers of some description in the WH already so if she wants to sleep by one they're right there. Well if we're to believe her she did all of it with her hand being held (also probably related to her IT guys pleading the 5th again). I think it's clear she was trying to converse with people creating a paper trail that she wanted excluded from FOIA (but isn't). I don't see her stopping that or anyone stopping her if she's president. I'm not sure. You live in the house and work in the house which is always full of staff. IT, Military, legal, etc down the line. I feel like the president can't actually piss without someone holding his dick. Like I think when you show up the first day you get told how things are going down, this is how things are done, get used to it. Here's your phone, here's your email, here is the book with secret stuff you can never talk about, these things aren't up for debate, enjoy the next 4 years, lunch is at 12:35, we're having pulled pork and a salad. Only a few people know for certain. I just think there are more things dictated to you as the president than people think. This is the way it is because this is the way its gotta be.
Obama's blackberry comes to mind. He won that fight, I don't see Hillary losing it.
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So when this becomes a national story NAFTA will back in the spotlight...
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On September 15 2016 12:07 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2016 12:02 OuchyDathurts wrote:On September 15 2016 11:54 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 15 2016 11:48 OuchyDathurts wrote:On September 15 2016 11:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 15 2016 11:40 LegalLord wrote:
Not in a treasure chest, but in a private email server to be kept in one's personal residence during one's tenure as president. I do wonder if her supporters think she's not going to try something similar to what she did as SoS, as president? I feel like there's far more layers of hand holding and wrangling for a president than a SoS. I'm also guessing there are secure servers of some description in the WH already so if she wants to sleep by one they're right there. Well if we're to believe her she did all of it with her hand being held (also probably related to her IT guys pleading the 5th again). I think it's clear she was trying to converse with people creating a paper trail that she wanted excluded from FOIA (but isn't). I don't see her stopping that or anyone stopping her if she's president. I'm not sure. You live in the house and work in the house which is always full of staff. IT, Military, legal, etc down the line. I feel like the president can't actually piss without someone holding his dick. Like I think when you show up the first day you get told how things are going down, this is how things are done, get used to it. Here's your phone, here's your email, here is the book with secret stuff you can never talk about, these things aren't up for debate, enjoy the next 4 years, lunch is at 12:35, we're having pulled pork and a salad. Only a few people know for certain. I just think there are more things dictated to you as the president than people think. This is the way it is because this is the way its gotta be. Obama's blackberry comes to mind. He won that fight, I don't see Hillary losing it.
That was 8 years ago. The landscape of technology and security has changed SOOOOOOOO much in the last 8 years its unrecognizable now. The support staff is there to take decisions away from the president so they can worry about actual issues. "I want the server in my bedroom" "Yeah, no, that's not happening and its not up for debate. I'll let you choose if you want a gold iphone or one of those fancy new black ones though Madam."
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We should tax them, so then their cars cost more than foreign cars. Then we can tax the foreign cars. Then every other country in the world taxes US cars. Then we can't see cars abroad.
Everyone loses.
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Choice parts that gave me a laugh:
But the emails, many of which were sent in recent weeks, also reveal Mr. Powell’s disapproval of Mrs. Clinton’s handling of her email scandal and expose his sometimes unflattering observations of the Democratic presidential nominee and her husband. In a series of exchanges, Mr. Powell lamented efforts by Mrs. Clinton’s “minions” to drag him into the controversy surrounding her use of a private email server by claiming he had advised her on the issue.
“H.R.C. could have killed this two years ago by merely telling everyone honestly what she had done and not tie me into it,” Mr. Powell wrote late last month, referring to Mrs. Clinton by her initials. “I told her staff three times not to try that gambit. I had to throw a mini-tantrum at a Hamptons party to get their attention. She keeps tripping into these ‘character’ minefields.”
A few months later, in a discussion about Mrs. Clinton’s email scandal, Mr. Powell lamented that “everything H.R.C. touches she kind of screws up with hubris.” He then related a story about “the gig I lost at a university” when the institution said it could no longer afford his speaking fees after paying Mrs. Clinton. “I should send her a bill.”
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