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Dan HH
Romania9118 Posts
On September 08 2016 02:46 farvacola wrote: So, can we now all agree that Trump literally has no idea how the government and military interact? But he sure knows that the fearmongering worked and talking of increasing military spending helps him consolidate republican votes + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrwpOrHWIAA-edG.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.people-press.org/files/2016/09/1_1.png) | ||
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CannonsNCarriers
United States638 Posts
On September 08 2016 02:44 xDaunt wrote: So here is the list of US Military proposals that Trump released today: As Thiel said, Trump is opposed to small government and has jettisoned small government politics from the Republican party. Reversing sequester and moving spending back to pre-sequester levels would be a good start, but that laundry list is bonkers. 350 ships? How? With what shipyards? We make Virginias/Burkes/LCSs at capacity now. 1200 fighters? Which fighters? The F35 isn't ready and the lines to make the F22 don't exist anymore. Put BMD on the Ticos? Really? 2 billion dollar upgrades for 25 year old ships would be maddeningly wasteful. 36 marine battalions? With what recruits will be build this army? We need volunteers for that. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On September 08 2016 02:05 KwarK wrote: Nieto got to use Trump as a prop while looking strong to his people and refusing to pay for the wall. It's one thing to say "it's not going to happen" in a general sense, it's quite another to invite the guy over then walk out of the meeting saying "it's not going to happen". Trump's presence and subsequent rejection made Nieto look better. It'll also make it harder for Mexico to back down should Trump win, by publicly disavowing the wall like that it burns the potential bridge to retreat over. Trump let himself get humiliated as a prop to strengthen Nieto but at least it also undermined any hope of pushing his policies. While I lean towards agreeing with this assessment, I'm curious how the finance minister resigning fits into this. Is it coincident, convenient or inconvenient? | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 08 2016 02:55 Acrofales wrote: Now that we're on the topic, how do we reconcile point number 1 with Trump being a "pacifist"? He's been pretty clear from the get-go that ISIS has to go because he sees their existence as being unacceptable and too threatening. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 08 2016 02:52 xDaunt wrote: You guys do understand that Point Number 1 doesn't mean that the military has to present a plan that destroys ISIS in 30 days of combat, right? He said he wants to see a plan to destroy ISIS 30 days after he takes office. You do know that the military likely has any number of plans to fight ISIS in varying ways, right? These options exist already, there is just no public will to engage those plans. Trump isn’t asking for anything we don’t already have. It shows he has no idea how the military works or how to fight the terrorist groups. | ||
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CobaltBlu
United States919 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17983 Posts
On September 08 2016 02:57 xDaunt wrote: He's been pretty clear from the get-go that ISIS has to go because he sees their existence as being unacceptable and too threatening. Ahhh, and of course he needs the giant army just for that too. It is finally making sense. Step 1. Build giant army Step 2. Eradicate ISIS Step 3. Retreat behind wall and stop playing world police. Keep giant army on standby in case ISIS reappears. | ||
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farvacola
United States18826 Posts
On September 08 2016 02:59 CobaltBlu wrote: Does he think the US military doesn't have plans about ISIS already? Why does he want to increase the size of the military? Planning to fight with someone? How does he plan to pay for expanding the military for no reason? Clearly, we need to reinstate the draft. | ||
KwarK
United States42654 Posts
On September 08 2016 02:58 Plansix wrote: You do know that the military likely has any number of plans to fight ISIS in varying ways, right? These options exist already, there is just no public will to engage those plans. Trump isn’t asking for anything we don’t already have. It shows he has no idea how the military works or how to fight the terrorist groups. Barry Soetoro instructed the military not to look into plans to attack ISIS and instead focus all the energies on how to disarm the American patriots because he wants to protect his Muslim brothers. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On September 08 2016 02:52 xDaunt wrote: You guys do understand that Point Number 1 doesn't mean that the military has to present a plan that destroys ISIS in 30 days of combat, right? He said he wants to see a plan to destroy ISIS 30 days after he takes office. Pretty sure we already have a plan. Actually, we probably have like a bajillion of them. The military isn't just sitting around jerking themselves and polishing their buttons. But Trump will have the best plans, believe me. To be particularly partisan, this looks like a transparent attempt at pandering in advance of the CiC town hall tonight. I call it transpandering. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
And they exist in occupied regions of Syria with civilians that have no ability to resist them. I bet that won’t be messy at all. But I am sure Trump’s plan will work way better and won’t be Iraq Part II, No Allies in the Area! And he will cut taxes for the rich while he does this. This is looking more like Bush 2.0 than ever before. | ||
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KwarK
United States42654 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 08 2016 03:03 ticklishmusic wrote: Pretty sure we already have a plan. Actually, we probably have like a bajillion of them. The military isn't just sitting around jerking themselves and polishing their buttons. But Trump will have the best plans, believe me. To be particularly partisan, this looks like a transparent attempt at pandering in advance of the CiC town hall tonight. I call it transpandering. I'm sure that there are numerous plans that exist, any number of which could be selected and then made current to account for current conditions on the ground, intelligence, and global deployments. There's nothing unreasonable about this first point, and I find it amusing that so many are attacking it. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
also the amount of general ignorance he's shown on such topic's; and that he's planning to spend even more money on military, as if we don't have enough. Just shows an incredible lack of understanding (well, except of pandering politics, which he is decent at, as are many). | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 08 2016 03:16 zlefin wrote: It's dumb cuz we all know it's easy to militarily defeat ISIS, the question is how to handle the aftermath so things actually become stable. And on how much you want to spend. And if you listen to Trump's speech (and not just read the bullet points), he very clearly understands that the solution is not just military in nature and talks about that. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On September 08 2016 03:17 xDaunt wrote: And if you listen to Trump's speech (and not just read the bullet points), he very clearly understands that the solution is not just military in nature and talks about that. do you have a link? you can't expect me to go off info you never provided; I look at hwat was brought into and maybe what was linked in the thread. it also doesn't change that he doens't understand we already have plans that could defeat isis, and it's pretty darn easy to do so anyways. and all the other points about his wasteful spending. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
I'm not sure that it's been posted yet. He just gave it this morning. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
I will give the Sectary of Education 30 days provide me with a plan to make the US the number 1 in education. I will give congress 30 days to provide me with a balanced budget that cuts taxes and increased infrastructure spending. I will give the Department of Justice 30 days to provide me with a plan to stop the rising murder rates in cities. Trump plans. Promises for simple solutions to complex problems. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On September 08 2016 03:19 xDaunt wrote: I'm not sure that it's been posted yet. He just gave it this morning. well, I can't respond to something that's unavailable. until then I'll have to stick to mocking trump for his general foolishness. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 08 2016 03:17 zlefin wrote: you can't expect me to go off info you never provided; I look at hwat was brought into and maybe what was linked in the thread. it also doesn't change that he doens't understand we already have plans that could defeat isis, and it's pretty darn easy to do so anyways. and all the other points about his wasteful spending. So let me get this straight. It's unfair for me to presume that you're up to speed on the issue, but it's perfectly okay for you to throw out baseless assumptions like the underlined above? | ||
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