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ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
August 09 2016 23:16 GMT
#93781
On August 10 2016 08:12 Biff The Understudy wrote:
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On August 10 2016 08:10 ragz_gt wrote:
On August 10 2016 08:02 oBlade wrote:
On August 10 2016 07:52 Plansix wrote:
On August 10 2016 07:12 KwarK wrote:
People who aren't Hillary baiting the shit out of Trump is going to be super effective.

I am shocked people people have not figured out this simple tactic. Trump is a sexist manbaby and that tweet will bait the shit out of him.

People who believe Trump is a patheic coward, sexist manbaby, and thin-skinned bully would probably do better not to imitate him.


This is kind of Elizabeth's job the campaign, so she gets to be the attack dog. She is risk free in MA anyway so she can be all crazy and loose without consequences.

She must be just loving it.


She most likely is, good for her.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28665 Posts
August 09 2016 23:18 GMT
#93782
On August 10 2016 08:14 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 08:08 GreenHorizons wrote: Can't believe people are supporting her because they are so scared of Trump.


What exactly makes this so hard to grasp?


ye, if anything it shouldve read 'can't believe trump is so scary people are voting for her'.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23221 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-09 23:21:07
August 09 2016 23:20 GMT
#93783
On August 10 2016 08:14 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 08:08 GreenHorizons wrote: Can't believe people are supporting her because they are so scared of Trump.


What exactly makes this so hard to grasp?


She's all of the worst parts of Obama amplified and all the best parts muted. It's like Democrats don't even realize that the coalition that stood strongest behind her were the same Dems that prevented Obama from making progress on stuff that may endanger Republicans with D's next to their names.

On August 10 2016 08:18 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 08:14 Mohdoo wrote:
On August 10 2016 08:08 GreenHorizons wrote: Can't believe people are supporting her because they are so scared of Trump.


What exactly makes this so hard to grasp?


ye, if anything it shouldve read 'can't believe trump is so scary people are voting for her'.


That works
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
August 09 2016 23:21 GMT
#93784
I kinda get you, but you are asking why people are too scared of someone who casually joked about assassinating his opponent (I don't think he is serious, not that makes it ok).... I think the answer is kind of obvious.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 09 2016 23:23 GMT
#93785
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 09 2016 23:23 GMT
#93786
If I am going to vote my conscience, I'm going to vote for Clinton. Because my conscience is the thing that prevents me from doing self-serving shit at the risk of other people.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23221 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-09 23:33:25
August 09 2016 23:24 GMT
#93787
On August 10 2016 08:21 ragz_gt wrote:
I kinda get you, but you are asking why people are too scared of someone who casually joked about assassinating his opponent (I don't think he is serious, not that makes it ok).... I think the answer is kind of obvious.


I think a couple people have pointed out the real danger of Trump isn't him winning, it's him inciting something among his supporters as a result of losing.

Trump's made it pretty clear he wouldn't actually do any of the work of the president and Pence would basically be his Cheney. Trump isn't what's scary, it's the America that nominated him that scares me, they aren't going anywhere win or lose.

On August 10 2016 08:23 Plansix wrote:
If I am going to vote my conscience, I'm going to vote for Clinton. Because my conscience is the thing that prevents me from doing self-serving shit at the risk of other people.


What risks to "other people" are you imagining come with a Johnson or Stein administration? I know the reality of what Clinton's choices did to countless families and I'm not seeing that from either of them.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
August 09 2016 23:26 GMT
#93788
On August 10 2016 08:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 08:21 ragz_gt wrote:
I kinda get you, but you are asking why people are too scared of someone who casually joked about assassinating his opponent (I don't think he is serious, not that makes it ok).... I think the answer is kind of obvious.


I think a couple people have pointed out the real danger of Trump isn't him winning, it's him inciting something among his supporters as a result of losing.

Trump's made it pretty clear he wouldn't actually do any of the work of the president and Pence would basically be his Cheney. Trump isn't what's scary, it's the America that nominated him that scares me, they aren't going anywhere win or lose.


And you think vulnerable people in society wouldn't suffer from Pence being president instead of Clinton? You see no distinction there?
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-09 23:27:00
August 09 2016 23:26 GMT
#93789
On August 10 2016 08:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 08:21 ragz_gt wrote:
I kinda get you, but you are asking why people are too scared of someone who casually joked about assassinating his opponent (I don't think he is serious, not that makes it ok).... I think the answer is kind of obvious.


I think a couple people have pointed out the real danger of Trump isn't him winning, it's him inciting something among his supporters as a result of losing.

Trump's made it pretty clear he wouldn't actually do any of the work of the president and Pence would basically be his Cheney. Trump isn't what's scary, it's the America that nominated him that scares me, they aren't going anywhere win or lose.


Well, I do miss Finland a lot...
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
CAPSLOCKED
Profile Joined April 2011
563 Posts
August 09 2016 23:29 GMT
#93790
On August 10 2016 07:57 Plansix wrote:
Never forget she wore a necklace made of bullets on national TV representing Trump. The Robocop parody continues.

[image loading]

I am glad that the GOP has picked an nominee that reminds us that assassinations of his opponents are possible and always a threat.




¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This election blows. Clinton is corruption personified. Trump's rhetoric is so over the top it's as if he's bored and not even trying to win. Johnson is just another in the long line of naive globalists. What's an independent to do?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-09 23:34:05
August 09 2016 23:32 GMT
#93791
Man that is some shit editing, even for hardball. They don't cut off the part that makes it clear they cut mid sentence.

And I remember that primary season and it was nasty on both sides.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23221 Posts
August 09 2016 23:41 GMT
#93792
On August 10 2016 08:26 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 08:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
On August 10 2016 08:21 ragz_gt wrote:
I kinda get you, but you are asking why people are too scared of someone who casually joked about assassinating his opponent (I don't think he is serious, not that makes it ok).... I think the answer is kind of obvious.


I think a couple people have pointed out the real danger of Trump isn't him winning, it's him inciting something among his supporters as a result of losing.

Trump's made it pretty clear he wouldn't actually do any of the work of the president and Pence would basically be his Cheney. Trump isn't what's scary, it's the America that nominated him that scares me, they aren't going anywhere win or lose.


And you think vulnerable people in society wouldn't suffer from Pence being president instead of Clinton? You see no distinction there?


I think vulnerable people in society are f'd this election.

I guarantee that the top 1% (more specifically the top .01%) will continue to get a larger share of wealth and power under either of those two.

Fracking (and the associated environmental damage) will continue to get worse, racist policing will continue to get worse, other forms of environmental racism will continue to get worse,Israel/Palestine conflict will get worse, the other middle east/north Africa conflicts will continue to get worse, the list goes on.

People justifying their vote for Hillary by claiming "it's the best choice for the oppressed" are lying to themselves.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-09 23:41:36
August 09 2016 23:41 GMT
#93793
I can't help but laugh at the fact that even when Trump says something stupid and dangerous that he is still factually wrong. Killing Hillary wouldnt stop their nominations. In fact, it would probably fast track the nomination of hyper liberal judges under Kaine.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23221 Posts
August 09 2016 23:44 GMT
#93794
On August 10 2016 08:41 On_Slaught wrote:
I can't help but laugh at the fact that even when Trump says something stupid and dangerous that he is still factually wrong. Killing Hillary wouldnt stop their nominations. In fact, it would probably fast track the nomination of hyper liberal judges under Kaine.


Why in the world would Kaine (a moderate) nominate hyper liberal judges though?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44312 Posts
August 09 2016 23:45 GMT
#93795
On August 10 2016 08:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
What risks to "other people" are you imagining come with a Johnson or Stein administration? I know the reality of what Clinton's choices did to countless families and I'm not seeing that from either of them.


There's no such thing as a Johnson or Stein administration though :/ zero chance of them winning.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
August 09 2016 23:46 GMT
#93796
On August 10 2016 08:44 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 08:41 On_Slaught wrote:
I can't help but laugh at the fact that even when Trump says something stupid and dangerous that he is still factually wrong. Killing Hillary wouldnt stop their nominations. In fact, it would probably fast track the nomination of hyper liberal judges under Kaine.


Why in the world would Kaine (a moderate) nominate hyper liberal judges though?


Because his partner was just assassinated and he would obviously follow her wishes to honor her memory?
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
August 09 2016 23:47 GMT
#93797
On August 10 2016 08:44 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 08:41 On_Slaught wrote:
I can't help but laugh at the fact that even when Trump says something stupid and dangerous that he is still factually wrong. Killing Hillary wouldnt stop their nominations. In fact, it would probably fast track the nomination of hyper liberal judges under Kaine.


Why in the world would Kaine (a moderate) nominate hyper liberal judges though?


If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
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CobaltBlu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States919 Posts
August 09 2016 23:49 GMT
#93798
Jill Stein or Gary Johsnson wouldn't represent my interests why would I vote for them in this election. Being a third party candidate isn't a virtue in itself. And on a personal note, I have found something about Stein to be really slippery and off-putting.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23221 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-09 23:53:20
August 09 2016 23:50 GMT
#93799
On August 10 2016 08:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 08:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
What risks to "other people" are you imagining come with a Johnson or Stein administration? I know the reality of what Clinton's choices did to countless families and I'm not seeing that from either of them.


There's no such thing as a Johnson or Stein administration though :/ zero chance of them winning.


That's my point. Outside of the context of Trump winning (this was presupposing he doesn't have a chance) the "lesser evil" argument falls apart.

Hillary needs Trump to be the only alternative, if he's not the prime alternative, her entire campaign needs redirecting.

On August 10 2016 08:46 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 08:44 GreenHorizons wrote:
On August 10 2016 08:41 On_Slaught wrote:
I can't help but laugh at the fact that even when Trump says something stupid and dangerous that he is still factually wrong. Killing Hillary wouldnt stop their nominations. In fact, it would probably fast track the nomination of hyper liberal judges under Kaine.


Why in the world would Kaine (a moderate) nominate hyper liberal judges though?


Because his partner was just assassinated and he would obviously follow her wishes to honor her memory?


She's also a "proud moderate", where are people getting these visions of hyper liberal judges from? No one thinks Hillary is to the left of Obama on pretty much anything, why would she go any more liberal than the judge her husband nominated originally and Obama has put up for the Supreme Court?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5583 Posts
August 09 2016 23:52 GMT
#93800
On August 10 2016 08:41 On_Slaught wrote:
I can't help but laugh at the fact that even when Trump says something stupid and dangerous that he is still factually wrong. Killing Hillary wouldnt stop their nominations. In fact, it would probably fast track the nomination of hyper liberal judges under Kaine.

That's a good point, it wouldn't even make logical sense, so I won't take it all so seriously.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
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