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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
so kind of the trump campaign to leak his speech | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On July 22 2016 07:40 shabby wrote: For americans it seems to be conservative right vs liberal left, but compared to european parties you have one deeply religious right wing party, and one center/right. You could do with more than two parties to choose from :p It US does have more than 2 parties to choose from. However the process will always simplify into two parties because you'd rather vote for the lesser evil than waste on your vote on third place who you know wont win, and hence the most disliked party by you will win. The only way to change it would be to get people to stop having so much allegiance to their parties, which doesn't happen in Canada or EU countries... I don't know why the US is so fucked up in that regard. Probably because of generations of history of two camps who are completely split of everything, while in Canada, there's far more similarity between parties. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On July 22 2016 07:49 ticklishmusic wrote: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/full-transcript-donald-trump-nomination-acceptance-speech-at-rnc-225974 so kind of the trump campaign to leak his speech CTRL+F: Clinton: 20 Hillary: 16 obama: 7 china: 5 kill: 12 terror: 12 fail: 10 great: 13 | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22702 Posts
On July 22 2016 07:35 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Please explain how I'm strawmanning? The idea of teaching religion in public school is already questionable because of separation of church and state, but I'm able to see some merit to such a program by teaching young people values. However, forcing schools to teach about just one religion is not acceptable. If schools were mandated to include a religion program which taught about more than one religion I think it'd be questionable for the aforementioned church and state separation, but I wouldn't be absolutely opposed to it. When you're forcing my tax payer dollars to go to teaching people about your personal faith choice I have a problem with that. Your options being the faith choice of the lawmaker or nothing is not an option. You said there was only 1 choice and therefor there was no choice, I explained to you that schools offer many different optional subjects, so there is indeed choice. You then respond is disbelief that I am defending mandatory christian teachings, which I am not. I am merely pointing out that option studies are indeed optional and that multiple choices exist. If you want to debate that it a state should not mandate its own religion and not include the other world religions then fine, we can debate that but don't come with I'm not sure how to explain to you how having only one option inherently removes options. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22702 Posts
On July 22 2016 07:50 FiWiFaKi wrote: It US does have more than 2 parties to choose from. However the process will always simplify into two parties because you'd rather vote for the lesser evil than waste on your vote on third place who you know wont win, and hence the most disliked party by you will win. The only way to change it would be to get people to stop having so much allegiance to their parties, which doesn't happen in Canada or EU countries... I don't know why the US is so fucked up in that regard. Probably because of generations of history of two camps who are completely split of everything, while in Canada, there's far more similarity between parties. The party allegiance in the face of everything happens in the EU aswell. it is just less aparent because we dont have such a big media spectical. It is certainly less tho, probably because we have a lot less nationalism/patriotism in general which breeds a 'this is my side' mentallity. Its not the party allegiance that created the 2 party system tho, its the FTTP and winner takes all system. If the democrats split themselves 50/50 because of policy differences then the Republicans win everything because whoever gets 1 vote more gets everything. The only way to change away from the Democrats and Republicans is if enough people at once do it to actually clinch a majority. But if you fall short by 1 vote you end up handing the position to your worst choice which is terrible. It forces you to hedge your bets, to go with someone you don't like, because voting for the person you do like ensures that the worst possible candidate wins. | ||
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Cowboy24
94 Posts
On July 22 2016 07:40 shabby wrote: For americans it seems to be conservative right vs liberal left, but compared to european parties you have one deeply religious right wing party, and one center/right. You could do with more than two parties to choose from :p I agree. People should vote Green! | ||
Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On July 22 2016 07:58 Gorsameth wrote: You said there was only 1 choice and therefor there was no choice, I explained to you that schools offer many different optional subjects, so there is indeed choice. You then respond is disbelief that I am defending mandatory christian teachings, which I am not. I am merely pointing out that option studies are indeed optional and that multiple choices exist. If you want to debate that it a state should not mandate its own religion and not include the other world religions then fine, we can debate that but don't come with Again, none of those other optional subjects are mandated by the state; but since you don't actually disagree with me and are just latching onto some pointless semantics we can drop this. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On July 22 2016 08:05 Gorsameth wrote: The party allegiance in the face of everything happens in the EU aswell. it is just less aparent because we dont have such a big media spectical. It is certainly less tho, probably because we have a lot less nationalism/patriotism in general which breeds a 'this is my side' mentallity. Its not the party allegiance that created the 2 party system tho, its the FTTP and winner takes all system. If the democrats split themselves 50/50 because of policy differences then the Republicans win everything because whoever gets 1 vote more gets everything. The only way to change away from the Democrats and Republicans is if enough people at once do it to actually clinch a majority. But if you fall short by 1 vote you end up handing the position to your worst choice which is terrible. It forces you to hedge your bets, to go with someone you don't like, because voting for the person you do like ensures that the worst possible candidate wins. I know I was born and raised in Europe  . And yes, that's what I referred to, the system generates the two-parties, it's not like more parties aren't allowed. In Canada there is division too, and we have a FPTP system as well... But it's nothing like this, you don't have to register for parties and all this. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On July 22 2016 07:49 ticklishmusic wrote: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/full-transcript-donald-trump-nomination-acceptance-speech-at-rnc-225974 so kind of the trump campaign to leak his speech Just finished reading it, not bad. Covers all the bases, not too angry, has a sense of urgency, national pride... Idk. I'll be curious to see the reception. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
If I want to kill my baby by treating pneumonia with honey oil, that's my BIG PHARMA HATING RIGHT! | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
This coming from a man who told his supporters to rough up protesters and he would pay their legal bills. I look forward for this vain attempt to cater to Bernie supporters. | ||
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Bodhi
United States180 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 22 2016 08:49 Bodhi wrote: I'm voting Clinton so that Sumail can stay in the country. Single issue voter. Bless you son. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1970 Posts
- They will not accept the Paris climate deal, calling coal a clean source of energy - The party explicitly supports conversion therapy of gay children - New sharp resistance to gay marriage - Internet porn is called a "public health crisis" - Students in high school should be able to choose bible studies as optional subjects - Politicans should use religion (christianity, obviously) as a guide when making laws, so that "man-made laws matches the natural rights given by God" - New strong resistance to abortion, now calling them aborted children, not aborted fetuses. Also illegal after rape. The party explicitly supports conversion therapy of gay children? Really? What is this, the 50s? Do they also want to reinstate lobotomizing as a practice against disobedient wives, segregation and trial by combat? I mean i laughed when i heard the anti porn statement, but that and religion as a guide for laws is so unbelievably backwards i think i am losing my faith in humanity. Even worse is that it gets shrugged off here as something of no consequence. How is this possible in an educated western society? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 22 2016 08:57 Broetchenholer wrote: Is this real? - They will not accept the Paris climate deal, calling coal a clean source of energy - The party explicitly supports conversion therapy of gay children - New sharp resistance to gay marriage - Internet porn is called a "public health crisis" - Students in high school should be able to choose bible studies as optional subjects - Politicans should use religion (christianity, obviously) as a guide when making laws, so that "man-made laws matches the natural rights given by God" - New strong resistance to abortion, now calling them aborted children, not aborted fetuses. Also illegal after rape. The party explicitly supports conversion therapy of gay children? Really? What is this, the 50s? Do they also want to reinstate lobotomizing as a practice against disobedient wives, segregation and trial by combat? I mean i laughed when i heard the anti porn statement, but that and religion as a guide for laws is so unbelievably backwards i think i am losing my faith in humanity. Even worse is that it gets shrugged off here as something of no consequence. How is this possible in an educated western society? Yes, that is the platform of one of our political parties. If they could, they would enact all those things. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Impervious
Canada4222 Posts
On July 22 2016 08:57 Broetchenholer wrote: Is this real? - They will not accept the Paris climate deal, calling coal a clean source of energy - The party explicitly supports conversion therapy of gay children - New sharp resistance to gay marriage - Internet porn is called a "public health crisis" - Students in high school should be able to choose bible studies as optional subjects - Politicans should use religion (christianity, obviously) as a guide when making laws, so that "man-made laws matches the natural rights given by God" - New strong resistance to abortion, now calling them aborted children, not aborted fetuses. Also illegal after rape. The party explicitly supports conversion therapy of gay children? Really? What is this, the 50s? Do they also want to reinstate lobotomizing as a practice against disobedient wives, segregation and trial by combat? I mean i laughed when i heard the anti porn statement, but that and religion as a guide for laws is so unbelievably backwards i think i am losing my faith in humanity. Even worse is that it gets shrugged off here as something of no consequence. How is this possible in an educated western society? The USA scores at average or below according to OECD..... And there are some damn smart people in the USA, so that means there's lot of not so smart people there as well to balance things..... | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
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