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On July 21 2016 12:26 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 12:25 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 21 2016 12:23 acker wrote:On July 21 2016 12:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I mean if you guys think LGBT and racial equality issues would have ever been allowed by speakers at the RNC by any other candidate than Trump you're seriously delusional. Or a NASA mission commander advocating for a renewal of space funding. Let alone an islamic speaker being given a timeslot as well.
Trump is doing his best at moving the Republican party out of the stoneage with the base he's working with The Republicans parade out minority speakers every year to pander to an increasingly non-white voter population. Zero minorities believe it. Presumably because the camera keeps panning out to a crowd so white it reflects the spotlights. Incidentally, the Republican party platform supports gay conversion therapy. This is even after Trump removed every reference from Russia from the Ukraine section. I mean when 90% of blacks are democrats for example, what do you expect? Do you think we should see 50% blacks in the crowd when roughly 1% of the U.S. population are republican blacks? Yep, exactly. It's a work in progress, but slowly and surely, the party is shifting, and so are its demographics. You can't fault them for trying.
If African Americans were the only minorities out there, I'd agree with you. However, Asians/Hispanics/Jews/Arabs/etc. all vote against Republicans as well. The only people who vote majority Republican are white men.
Asians and Jews as wealthier than Caucasians. Hispanics are more religious. Yet the Republican Party remains the party of white males. Worse, it's becoming the party of old white males.
There are zero minorities who actually believe the Republican Party. The party put minority speakers on the podium every year, but the crowd says it all. It's something even the Republican leadership notes, they wrote an autopsy back in 2012 addressing this exact issue.
And Trump's ratings with minorities are even worse than Romney's.
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On July 21 2016 12:25 GreenHorizons wrote:
Sorry to interrupt the convention talk, but seriously...
I suppose the silver lining is now when people say "Hands up, Don't shoot" the "all lives" crowd can shut up and presume they are referring to this man.
Just saw this... the whole thing feels like it was straight up comedic relief for some TV show/Movie...
But nope this is real life and is actually super depressing and not funny. Luckily this guy isnt dead at least which is the real silver lining.
My guess is that they will just say the weapon discharged on its own and call it a day.
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On July 21 2016 12:23 acker wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 12:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I mean if you guys think LGBT and racial equality issues would have ever been allowed by speakers at the RNC by any other candidate than Trump you're seriously delusional. Or a NASA mission commander advocating for a renewal of space funding. Let alone an islamic speaker being given a timeslot as well.
Trump is doing his best at moving the Republican party out of the stoneage with the base he's working with The Republicans parade out minority speakers every year to pander to an increasingly non-white voter population. Zero minorities believe it. Presumably because the camera keeps panning out to a crowd so white it reflects the spotlights.
Are you saying people, in this case minorities specifically, just vote based on the inertia of how they see their peers voting?
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On July 21 2016 12:25 GreenHorizons wrote:Sorry to interrupt the convention talk, but seriously... https://twitter.com/wsvn/status/755896679476244480I suppose the silver lining is now when people say "Hands up, Don't shoot" the "all lives" crowd can shut up and presume they are referring to this man.
Why the hell does this keep happening?
Interesting, that "all lives matter" disappeared and now it's "Blue Lives Matter", accordingly I guess non-Blue lives do not matter. That, after, all was why "all lives" was touted over "black lives"- you got to say everybody. Blue ain't everybody.
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On July 21 2016 12:25 GreenHorizons wrote:Sorry to interrupt the convention talk, but seriously... https://twitter.com/wsvn/status/755896679476244480I suppose the silver lining is now when people say "Hands up, Don't shoot" the "all lives" crowd can shut up and presume they are referring to this man.
Someone's not going to be a cop much longer
Unless the system fucks up
On July 21 2016 12:31 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 12:25 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 21 2016 12:23 acker wrote:On July 21 2016 12:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I mean if you guys think LGBT and racial equality issues would have ever been allowed by speakers at the RNC by any other candidate than Trump you're seriously delusional. Or a NASA mission commander advocating for a renewal of space funding. Let alone an islamic speaker being given a timeslot as well.
Trump is doing his best at moving the Republican party out of the stoneage with the base he's working with The Republicans parade out minority speakers every year to pander to an increasingly non-white voter population. Zero minorities believe it. Presumably because the camera keeps panning out to a crowd so white it reflects the spotlights. Incidentally, the Republican party platform supports gay conversion therapy. This is even after Trump removed every reference from Russia from the Ukraine section. I mean when 90% of blacks are democrats for example, what do you expect? Do you think we should see 50% blacks in the crowd when roughly 1% of the U.S. population are republican blacks? Maybe actually do something that helps the black community and you'll start getting more black people to vote Republican? The black community is, as a whole, rather socially conservative. The problem is that Republicans have done jack squat to help race relations in any way for generations.
I don't think you need to police people to vote for your party based on their race or gender or religion. If one party happens to better represent a demographic then they should vote for that party and force the other party to make more accommodations or else suffer in the voting booth.
It's funny though because you seem to think the democrat party is much better.
Hillary Clinton literally held a memorial funeral where she and Bill praised her close friend and mentor, who just so happened to be in the KKK. I have a feeling Trump is going to do far better with minorities come November than early polling indicates.
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On July 21 2016 12:36 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 12:23 acker wrote:On July 21 2016 12:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I mean if you guys think LGBT and racial equality issues would have ever been allowed by speakers at the RNC by any other candidate than Trump you're seriously delusional. Or a NASA mission commander advocating for a renewal of space funding. Let alone an islamic speaker being given a timeslot as well.
Trump is doing his best at moving the Republican party out of the stoneage with the base he's working with The Republicans parade out minority speakers every year to pander to an increasingly non-white voter population. Zero minorities believe it. Presumably because the camera keeps panning out to a crowd so white it reflects the spotlights. Are you saying people, in this case minorities specifically, just vote based on the inertia of how they see their peers voting?
I'm saying that it's trivial to find a special snowflake and put him on a podium. There's nothing new about pretending to care about minorities, both parties do that every year.
It's much more difficult to show that you have a viable minority base or that your base actually cares, as evidenced by the delegate pool.
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On July 21 2016 12:36 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 12:23 acker wrote:On July 21 2016 12:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I mean if you guys think LGBT and racial equality issues would have ever been allowed by speakers at the RNC by any other candidate than Trump you're seriously delusional. Or a NASA mission commander advocating for a renewal of space funding. Let alone an islamic speaker being given a timeslot as well.
Trump is doing his best at moving the Republican party out of the stoneage with the base he's working with The Republicans parade out minority speakers every year to pander to an increasingly non-white voter population. Zero minorities believe it. Presumably because the camera keeps panning out to a crowd so white it reflects the spotlights. Are you saying people, in this case minorities specifically, just vote based on the inertia of how they see their peers voting?
No, its the Republicans literally give no fucks about minorities, so they don't vote for Republicans.
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On July 21 2016 12:44 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 12:36 oBlade wrote:On July 21 2016 12:23 acker wrote:On July 21 2016 12:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I mean if you guys think LGBT and racial equality issues would have ever been allowed by speakers at the RNC by any other candidate than Trump you're seriously delusional. Or a NASA mission commander advocating for a renewal of space funding. Let alone an islamic speaker being given a timeslot as well.
Trump is doing his best at moving the Republican party out of the stoneage with the base he's working with The Republicans parade out minority speakers every year to pander to an increasingly non-white voter population. Zero minorities believe it. Presumably because the camera keeps panning out to a crowd so white it reflects the spotlights. Are you saying people, in this case minorities specifically, just vote based on the inertia of how they see their peers voting? No, its the Republicans literally give no fucks about minorities, so they don't vote for Republicans.
I don't think this is true
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On July 21 2016 12:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Someone's not going to be a cop much longer Unless the system fucks up Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 12:31 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 21 2016 12:25 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 21 2016 12:23 acker wrote:On July 21 2016 12:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I mean if you guys think LGBT and racial equality issues would have ever been allowed by speakers at the RNC by any other candidate than Trump you're seriously delusional. Or a NASA mission commander advocating for a renewal of space funding. Let alone an islamic speaker being given a timeslot as well.
Trump is doing his best at moving the Republican party out of the stoneage with the base he's working with The Republicans parade out minority speakers every year to pander to an increasingly non-white voter population. Zero minorities believe it. Presumably because the camera keeps panning out to a crowd so white it reflects the spotlights. Incidentally, the Republican party platform supports gay conversion therapy. This is even after Trump removed every reference from Russia from the Ukraine section. I mean when 90% of blacks are democrats for example, what do you expect? Do you think we should see 50% blacks in the crowd when roughly 1% of the U.S. population are republican blacks? Maybe actually do something that helps the black community and you'll start getting more black people to vote Republican? The black community is, as a whole, rather socially conservative. The problem is that Republicans have done jack squat to help race relations in any way for generations. I don't think you need to police people to vote for your party based on their race or gender or religion. If one party happens to better represent a demographic then they should vote for that party and force the other party to make more accommodations or else suffer in the voting booth. It's funny though because you seem to think the democrat party is much better. Hillary Clinton literally held a memorial funeral where she and Bill praised her close friend and mentor, who just so happened to be in the KKK. I have a feeling Trump is going to do far better with minorities come November than early polling indicates.
You're such a shameless Republican/Trump shill that it's amusing.
It's also sad that you cite one bizarre, obscure, and irrelevant example when trying to paint the Democratic party in a bad light, while simultaneously ignoring the last 60+ years of history where most significant positive social and political movements for race relations and minority livelihoods were supported by the left and opposed by the right.
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On July 21 2016 12:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 12:44 Plansix wrote:On July 21 2016 12:36 oBlade wrote:On July 21 2016 12:23 acker wrote:On July 21 2016 12:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I mean if you guys think LGBT and racial equality issues would have ever been allowed by speakers at the RNC by any other candidate than Trump you're seriously delusional. Or a NASA mission commander advocating for a renewal of space funding. Let alone an islamic speaker being given a timeslot as well.
Trump is doing his best at moving the Republican party out of the stoneage with the base he's working with The Republicans parade out minority speakers every year to pander to an increasingly non-white voter population. Zero minorities believe it. Presumably because the camera keeps panning out to a crowd so white it reflects the spotlights. Are you saying people, in this case minorities specifically, just vote based on the inertia of how they see their peers voting? No, its the Republicans literally give no fucks about minorities, so they don't vote for Republicans. I don't think this is true
It's absolutely not true, the Republican leadership likes winning elections. They even wrote an autopsy in 2012 to try to identify and address their problems with minorities across the board.
The Republican base, on the other hand...
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On July 21 2016 12:44 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 12:36 oBlade wrote:On July 21 2016 12:23 acker wrote:On July 21 2016 12:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I mean if you guys think LGBT and racial equality issues would have ever been allowed by speakers at the RNC by any other candidate than Trump you're seriously delusional. Or a NASA mission commander advocating for a renewal of space funding. Let alone an islamic speaker being given a timeslot as well.
Trump is doing his best at moving the Republican party out of the stoneage with the base he's working with The Republicans parade out minority speakers every year to pander to an increasingly non-white voter population. Zero minorities believe it. Presumably because the camera keeps panning out to a crowd so white it reflects the spotlights. Are you saying people, in this case minorities specifically, just vote based on the inertia of how they see their peers voting? No, its the Republicans literally give no fucks about minorities, so they don't vote for Republicans.
Not true, and anyway... Views are shifting. It's more so than in previous years, even stuff like talking about gay people they are much more open to. Especially now that you have someone like Trump, who is not your typical Republican, and is very centrist on these issues.
Kind of split on it. I mean they did approve what he was going to say, and they were not expecting an endorsement... So idk, but it did come off as really selfish of him, the least he could do was act to unite the party, but even his tone was shit.
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On July 21 2016 12:47 acker wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 12:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 21 2016 12:44 Plansix wrote:On July 21 2016 12:36 oBlade wrote:On July 21 2016 12:23 acker wrote:On July 21 2016 12:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I mean if you guys think LGBT and racial equality issues would have ever been allowed by speakers at the RNC by any other candidate than Trump you're seriously delusional. Or a NASA mission commander advocating for a renewal of space funding. Let alone an islamic speaker being given a timeslot as well.
Trump is doing his best at moving the Republican party out of the stoneage with the base he's working with The Republicans parade out minority speakers every year to pander to an increasingly non-white voter population. Zero minorities believe it. Presumably because the camera keeps panning out to a crowd so white it reflects the spotlights. Are you saying people, in this case minorities specifically, just vote based on the inertia of how they see their peers voting? No, its the Republicans literally give no fucks about minorities, so they don't vote for Republicans. I don't think this is true It's absolutely not true, the Republican leadership likes winning elections. They even wrote an autopsy in 2012 to try to identify and address their problems with minorities across the board. The Republican base, on the other hand...
The problem is that there's a big disconnect between what Republicans want and what they do.
Republicans want to attract minorities because the U.S. electorate is evolving to the point where you can't be politically competitive without 1) appealing to minorities or 2) shameless gerrymandering. Unfortunately, they think putting a new face on the same old crap will attract the minority vote, instead of, you know, actually putting forward policies to help the minority communities in the country.
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On July 21 2016 12:31 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 12:25 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 21 2016 12:23 acker wrote:On July 21 2016 12:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I mean if you guys think LGBT and racial equality issues would have ever been allowed by speakers at the RNC by any other candidate than Trump you're seriously delusional. Or a NASA mission commander advocating for a renewal of space funding. Let alone an islamic speaker being given a timeslot as well.
Trump is doing his best at moving the Republican party out of the stoneage with the base he's working with The Republicans parade out minority speakers every year to pander to an increasingly non-white voter population. Zero minorities believe it. Presumably because the camera keeps panning out to a crowd so white it reflects the spotlights. Incidentally, the Republican party platform supports gay conversion therapy. This is even after Trump removed every reference from Russia from the Ukraine section. I mean when 90% of blacks are democrats for example, what do you expect? Do you think we should see 50% blacks in the crowd when roughly 1% of the U.S. population are republican blacks? Maybe actually do something that helps the black community and you'll start getting more black people to vote Republican? The black community is, as a whole, rather socially conservative. The problem is that Republicans have done jack squat to help race relations in any way for generations.
They act like the abandonment from the NRA and most Republicans regarding Philando's 2nd and 4th amendment rights isn't a dead give away that they are totally full of crap when they give those throw away lines about "all people, regardless of race, religion, etc..."
Black people are thoroughly disappointed with Democrats, it's only through sheer neglect, only interrupted by utter contempt, from the Republican party toward black people that keeps us out of the party.
There's plenty of black people that agree with Republican ideas, it's the obvious pattern of them only applying to those willing to throw the rest of black society under the bus in exchange is one of many reasons they don't vote Republican.
Someone's not going to be a cop much longer
Unless the system fucks up
Fixed that for you.
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On July 21 2016 12:49 Stratos_speAr wrote:
The problem is that there's a big disconnect between what Republicans want and what they do.
Republicans want to attract minorities because the U.S. electorate is evolving to the point where you can't be politically competitive without 1) appealing to minorities or 2) shameless gerrymandering. The problem is that they think putting a new face on the same old crap will attract the minority vote, instead of, you know, actually putting forward policies to help the minority communities in the country.
Pretty much. Trump's strategy this year appears to be maximizing the number of white men who actually turn out to vote while praying nobody else shows up.
It's notable that basically the only people here who believe Trump is centrist when it comes to minorities are the conservatives I recognize from 2012. Minorities remember registries, travel bans, neighborhood patrols, and blanket terrorist watchlists. Conservatives don't.
And it shows in the polling.
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On July 21 2016 12:44 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 12:36 oBlade wrote:On July 21 2016 12:23 acker wrote:On July 21 2016 12:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I mean if you guys think LGBT and racial equality issues would have ever been allowed by speakers at the RNC by any other candidate than Trump you're seriously delusional. Or a NASA mission commander advocating for a renewal of space funding. Let alone an islamic speaker being given a timeslot as well.
Trump is doing his best at moving the Republican party out of the stoneage with the base he's working with The Republicans parade out minority speakers every year to pander to an increasingly non-white voter population. Zero minorities believe it. Presumably because the camera keeps panning out to a crowd so white it reflects the spotlights. Are you saying people, in this case minorities specifically, just vote based on the inertia of how they see their peers voting? No, its the Republicans literally give no fucks about minorities, so they don't vote for Republicans.
They've been voting blue for a few decades to no avail, so if it's true that neither party really cares, it would just be inertia.
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Someone's not going to be a cop much longer
Unless the system fucks up
Because as we know, "the system" as an amazing track record of punishing trigger happy or outright criminal/murderous cops.
Oh wait. That was another country. Any other country.
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Hillary Clinton literally held a memorial funeral where she and Bill praised her close friend and mentor, who just so happened to be in the KKK. I have a feeling Trump is going to do far better with minorities come November than early polling indicates.
He was currently in the KKK? This was brought up a week or two ago and I asked for a clarification and no one did. So here it is again and I am asking again. Is this the FORMER KKK member? Or is it someone else? That's an awfully big difference- former vs current. Unless you believe people cannot change ever change.
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On July 21 2016 12:51 acker wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 12:49 Stratos_speAr wrote:
The problem is that there's a big disconnect between what Republicans want and what they do.
Republicans want to attract minorities because the U.S. electorate is evolving to the point where you can't be politically competitive without 1) appealing to minorities or 2) shameless gerrymandering. The problem is that they think putting a new face on the same old crap will attract the minority vote, instead of, you know, actually putting forward policies to help the minority communities in the country. Pretty much. Trump's strategy this year appears to be maximizing the number of white men who actually turn out to vote while praying nobody else shows up. It's notable that basically the only people here who believe Trump is centrist when it comes to minorities are the conservatives I recognize from 2012.
In the same way that the Democrats hope that all the young people show up?
Anyway, I've followed Trump very closely throughout this election, and I think he's by far the most pro-LGBT, least workplace discrimination, and least racist Republican nominee ever... He's pro-choice, not driven by religion, and naturally he has to claim certain stuff to appeal to some of the Republican party. But I think anyone who really spent some time looking at Trump would think the same thing.
The one thing he is against, and it does come off very strong, is I do think he is against Islam. It's a tough battle, and I do think significant number of people have been become a bit of islamophobes due to the kind of stuff happening and what you hear on news even though it's often the media being selective in their reporting.
Also, I don't think Trump is a sexist... Unless family values, and vaguely defined gender roles are sexist, which to some people they are. However, I think by that definition, every conservative who believes in family value is sexist. Anyway, I support the notion that the two genders are different biologically, one is not better than the other, but generally different genders are better at different things, and we should tailor them to their strengths instead of trying to remove the concept of sex.
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