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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11374 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-21 01:22:56
July 21 2016 01:19 GMT
#87301
On July 21 2016 10:15 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 10:14 Falling wrote:
On July 21 2016 10:00 Barrin wrote:
On July 21 2016 08:46 FiWiFaKi wrote:
By the way, has there been a poll in this thread to get a rough number of TL democrats/republicans? Curious what the ratio is. 70/30 with majority liberals?

Can we get a centrist option?

Would need some international options as well- I swing right of centre, but on the Canadian spectrum.


Everyone's standing should be expressed in coordinates on the political compass:

https://www.politicalcompass.org/

Do take the test if you haven't already.

I have done it many, many times. I feel like all the political parties are much more extreme on those scale then they are in reality. (They are so heavily authoritarian, for instance. Rhetoric vs pragmatism in governing?) I usually wind up (-1, -1).
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-21 01:23:00
July 21 2016 01:21 GMT
#87302
On July 21 2016 10:19 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 10:15 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 21 2016 10:14 Falling wrote:
On July 21 2016 10:00 Barrin wrote:
On July 21 2016 08:46 FiWiFaKi wrote:
By the way, has there been a poll in this thread to get a rough number of TL democrats/republicans? Curious what the ratio is. 70/30 with majority liberals?

Can we get a centrist option?

Would need some international options as well- I swing right of centre, but on the Canadian spectrum.


Everyone's standing should be expressed in coordinates on the political compass:

https://www.politicalcompass.org/

Do take the test if you haven't already.

I have done it many, many times. I feel like all the political parties are much more extreme on those scale then they are in reality. (They are so heavily authoritarian, for instance.) I usually wind up (-1, -1).


Hmm, not sure. I think I've taken it two or three times, and I always got somewhere around (5,6-7). I think some people might be too idealist and happy, and I think that's what happened to me the first time, and I got NDP or something, and I'm like nooooope.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 21 2016 01:23 GMT
#87303
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 21 2016 01:26 GMT
#87304


Man uses fascist correctly on the Internet, call everyone.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11374 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-21 01:29:06
July 21 2016 01:28 GMT
#87305
On July 21 2016 10:21 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 10:19 Falling wrote:
On July 21 2016 10:15 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 21 2016 10:14 Falling wrote:
On July 21 2016 10:00 Barrin wrote:
On July 21 2016 08:46 FiWiFaKi wrote:
By the way, has there been a poll in this thread to get a rough number of TL democrats/republicans? Curious what the ratio is. 70/30 with majority liberals?

Can we get a centrist option?

Would need some international options as well- I swing right of centre, but on the Canadian spectrum.


Everyone's standing should be expressed in coordinates on the political compass:

https://www.politicalcompass.org/

Do take the test if you haven't already.

I have done it many, many times. I feel like all the political parties are much more extreme on those scale then they are in reality. (They are so heavily authoritarian, for instance.) I usually wind up (-1, -1).


Hmm, not sure. I think I've taken it two or three times, and I always got somewhere around (5,6-7). I think some people might be too idealist and happy, and I think that's what happened to me the first time, and I got NDP or something, and I'm like nooooope.

It just seems to me that if you have a scale that goes -10 to 10, libertarian to authoritarian, and you put the Conservative Party of Canada at 7, there's no room for fascism or an alliance between big business and the military. Unless the entire scale is assuming a certain sort of democracy and doesn't include other political systems like dictatorships or socialism... or the scale is run by libertarians.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 21 2016 01:32 GMT
#87306
Lynne Patton's speech confusing old republicans and democrats everywhere

Party lines are being redefined this election
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
July 21 2016 01:32 GMT
#87307
Do you mean anarchist to authoritarian?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 21 2016 01:33 GMT
#87308
Oh boy is Rubio going to say his robot line..
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 21 2016 01:33 GMT
#87309
On July 21 2016 10:19 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 10:15 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 21 2016 10:14 Falling wrote:
On July 21 2016 10:00 Barrin wrote:
On July 21 2016 08:46 FiWiFaKi wrote:
By the way, has there been a poll in this thread to get a rough number of TL democrats/republicans? Curious what the ratio is. 70/30 with majority liberals?

Can we get a centrist option?

Would need some international options as well- I swing right of centre, but on the Canadian spectrum.


Everyone's standing should be expressed in coordinates on the political compass:

https://www.politicalcompass.org/

Do take the test if you haven't already.

I have done it many, many times. I feel like all the political parties are much more extreme on those scale then they are in reality. (They are so heavily authoritarian, for instance. Rhetoric vs pragmatism in governing?) I usually wind up (-1, -1).

Yeah, that test is no good. I'm basically a dead center centrist (.25, -.25).
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
July 21 2016 01:35 GMT
#87310
RNC is looking pretty good for republican unity, what do you guys think?
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11374 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-21 01:41:12
July 21 2016 01:35 GMT
#87311
On July 21 2016 10:32 IgnE wrote:
Do you mean anarchist to authoritarian?

Well, they label that axis libertarian-authoritarian.
I think the extreme bottom corner of quadrant IV would be anarcho-capitalist and the extreme bottom corner of quadrant III would be anarchism.

On July 21 2016 10:33 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 10:19 Falling wrote:
On July 21 2016 10:15 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 21 2016 10:14 Falling wrote:
On July 21 2016 10:00 Barrin wrote:
On July 21 2016 08:46 FiWiFaKi wrote:
By the way, has there been a poll in this thread to get a rough number of TL democrats/republicans? Curious what the ratio is. 70/30 with majority liberals?

Can we get a centrist option?

Would need some international options as well- I swing right of centre, but on the Canadian spectrum.


Everyone's standing should be expressed in coordinates on the political compass:

https://www.politicalcompass.org/

Do take the test if you haven't already.

I have done it many, many times. I feel like all the political parties are much more extreme on those scale then they are in reality. (They are so heavily authoritarian, for instance. Rhetoric vs pragmatism in governing?) I usually wind up (-1, -1).

Yeah, that test is no good. I'm basically a dead center centrist (.25, -.25).

Ha! Our political views aren't so different after all! ...except I think they actually are.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4866 Posts
July 21 2016 01:35 GMT
#87312
On July 21 2016 10:35 FiWiFaKi wrote:
RNC is looking pretty good for republican unity, what do you guys think?


Have you been keeping up with the news? There has been no such thing.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 21 2016 01:37 GMT
#87313
On July 21 2016 10:33 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 10:19 Falling wrote:
On July 21 2016 10:15 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 21 2016 10:14 Falling wrote:
On July 21 2016 10:00 Barrin wrote:
On July 21 2016 08:46 FiWiFaKi wrote:
By the way, has there been a poll in this thread to get a rough number of TL democrats/republicans? Curious what the ratio is. 70/30 with majority liberals?

Can we get a centrist option?

Would need some international options as well- I swing right of centre, but on the Canadian spectrum.


Everyone's standing should be expressed in coordinates on the political compass:

https://www.politicalcompass.org/

Do take the test if you haven't already.

I have done it many, many times. I feel like all the political parties are much more extreme on those scale then they are in reality. (They are so heavily authoritarian, for instance. Rhetoric vs pragmatism in governing?) I usually wind up (-1, -1).

Yeah, that test is no good. I'm basically a dead center centrist (.25, -.25).

that puts you a good 6 or so points more to the LEFT than clinton!

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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
July 21 2016 01:38 GMT
#87314
On July 21 2016 10:35 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 10:35 FiWiFaKi wrote:
RNC is looking pretty good for republican unity, what do you guys think?


Have you been keeping up with the news? There has been no such thing.


Well there's always going to be opposition against someone like Trump, but all in all, better than expected? I mean, we couldn't expect not a single person to speak up of course.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9137 Posts
July 21 2016 01:38 GMT
#87315
I can't see Cruz and not think of his WE SHALL NEVAAAH SURRENDAAH Churchill impression
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 21 2016 01:38 GMT
#87316
Tried out that political compass test; got a -4,-5.33.
I wonder what their normalized to.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-21 01:40:30
July 21 2016 01:39 GMT
#87317
On July 21 2016 10:35 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 10:32 IgnE wrote:
Do you mean anarchist to authoritarian?

Well, they label the axis libertarian-authoritarian.
I think the extreme bottom corner of quadrant IV would be anarcho-capitalist and the extreme bottom corner of quadrant III would be anarchism.

-8.75, -8.46 for me. Interesting, I haven't really moved to the right as I've aged. Last time I took this test was about 10 years ago and I was almost the same.

I'm obviously not a centrist but I really barely see a difference between Clinton and Trump policy wise, Trump's rhetoric seems a tad dangerous in that it incites all the wrong parts of people's brains, while Clinton's rhetoric seems flat out stupid and she just always seems to be lying in a some manner with her speech (I said seems, not actually is. No idea why she seems that way to me)
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 21 2016 01:39 GMT
#87318
On July 21 2016 10:38 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 10:35 Introvert wrote:
On July 21 2016 10:35 FiWiFaKi wrote:
RNC is looking pretty good for republican unity, what do you guys think?


Have you been keeping up with the news? There has been no such thing.


Well there's always going to be opposition against someone like Trump, but all in all, better than expected? I mean, we couldn't expect not a single person to speak up of course.

It's less about what people say; then about who doesn't show up who normally would have.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-21 01:40:55
July 21 2016 01:40 GMT
#87319
On July 21 2016 10:38 zlefin wrote:
Tried out that political compass test; got a -4,-5.33.
I wonder what their normalized to.


There's a lot of prominent figures and where they stand on that website to compare to.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 21 2016 01:43 GMT
#87320
On July 21 2016 10:38 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 10:35 Introvert wrote:
On July 21 2016 10:35 FiWiFaKi wrote:
RNC is looking pretty good for republican unity, what do you guys think?


Have you been keeping up with the news? There has been no such thing.


Well there's always going to be opposition against someone like Trump, but all in all, better than expected? I mean, we couldn't expect not a single person to speak up of course.

It's a bit more that a few people. You do know a good chunk of the GOP isn't here at all? Like a large part of the house and senate.
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