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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
June 04 2015 06:27 GMT
#40381
On June 04 2015 14:15 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 12:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
[image loading]

I love this.
If only he'd pressed for Roman involvement in charity first, before that pesky business about personal salvation. Then we'd have the complete socialist religion, beloved by luminaries from Gorbachev to Clinton. Alas, all we've got is the usual religion trolls.

Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 14:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
A pipeline rupture that spilled an estimated 101,000 gallons of crude oil near Santa Barbara last month occurred along a badly corroded section that had worn away to a fraction of an inch in thickness, federal regulators disclosed Wednesday.

The preliminary findings (PDF) released by the federal Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration point to a possible cause of the May 19 spill that blackened popular beaches and created a 9-mile slick in the Pacific Ocean. Gov. Jerry Brown declared a state of emergency in Santa Barbara County due to the effects of the spill.

The agency said investigators found that there was "extensive external corrosion" at the break site. It had degraded the pipe wall thickness to 1/16 of an inch, and that there was a 6-inch opening near the bottom of the pipe. Additionally, the report noted that the area that failed was close to three repairs that had been made to the pipeline because of corrosion after 2012 inspections.

The agency documents said findings by metallurgists who examined the pipe wall thickness at the break site conflicted with the results of inspections conducted on that area of pipe on May 5 for operator Plains All American Pipeline. Those inspections pinpointed a 45 percent loss of wall thickness in the area of the pipe break, meaning they concluded the pipe was in far better condition.

Government inspectors "noted general external corrosion of the pipe body during field examination of the failed pipe segment," the report said.

Investigators found "this thinning of the pipe wall is greater than the 45 percent metal loss which was indicated" by the recent Plains All American inspections.

The agency ordered the company to conduct additional research and possible repairs on the line, which has been shut down indefinitely.


Source
StealthBlue, I'd been missing these! I hope if there was negligence, the parties are found out.


Jesus was a social anarchist.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
June 04 2015 08:16 GMT
#40382
And we need to blame Paul now :p
Not that I disagree with your statement Igne, but those kind of tweeter jokes are little more than teenager sneering and the discussions that follow are of the dullest kind. We should rather defend Sanders for what he is and admit he'll have trouble against a "center" republican candidate, even if I do agree that american political middleground is ridiculously far right.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45088 Posts
June 04 2015 12:13 GMT
#40383
Rick Perry is running again.



And now 30 seconds later, we remember why he'll never be relevant.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45088 Posts
June 04 2015 12:28 GMT
#40384
Ted Cruz: Joe Biden is a joke. Oh wait, that line was badly timed because Joe Biden's son just died of brain cancer and a lot of people are mourning (or at least respectful) at this time? My bad. Hey, how's my polling?

Annnd he's gone.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 04 2015 12:47 GMT
#40385
PRINCETON, N.J. -- The percentage of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who describe themselves as both social and economic conservatives has dropped to 42%, the lowest level Gallup has measured since 2005. The second-largest group of Republicans (24%) see themselves as moderate or liberal on both social and economic issues, while 20% of all Republicans are moderate or liberal on social issues but conservative on economic ones.

[image loading]

These data are from Gallup's Values and Beliefs poll, which since 2001 has included questions asking Americans to rate themselves as conservative, moderate or liberal on social and economic issues. These trends show not only that Americans as a whole have become less likely to identify as social or economic conservatives, but also that Republicans' views are changing along the same lines.

This change in recent years has been significant. The percentage of Republicans identifying as conservative on both dimensions has dropped 15 percentage points since 2012, largely offset by an increase in the percentage who identify as moderate or liberal on both dimensions. Still, the current ideological positioning of Republicans is not unprecedented; the proportion of social and economic conservatives was as low or lower from 2001 through 2005.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45088 Posts
June 04 2015 13:14 GMT
#40386
That's good to see; I wonder what the breakdown for economic/ social liberal perspectives are for those who identify as liberals/ Democrats, for comparison.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43275 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-04 14:58:51
June 04 2015 14:05 GMT
#40387
On June 04 2015 14:15 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 12:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
[image loading]

I love this.
If only he'd pressed for Roman involvement in charity first, before that pesky business about personal salvation. Then we'd have the complete socialist religion, beloved by luminaries from Gorbachev to Clinton. Alas, all we've got is the usual religion trolls.

Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 14:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
A pipeline rupture that spilled an estimated 101,000 gallons of crude oil near Santa Barbara last month occurred along a badly corroded section that had worn away to a fraction of an inch in thickness, federal regulators disclosed Wednesday.

The preliminary findings (PDF) released by the federal Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration point to a possible cause of the May 19 spill that blackened popular beaches and created a 9-mile slick in the Pacific Ocean. Gov. Jerry Brown declared a state of emergency in Santa Barbara County due to the effects of the spill.

The agency said investigators found that there was "extensive external corrosion" at the break site. It had degraded the pipe wall thickness to 1/16 of an inch, and that there was a 6-inch opening near the bottom of the pipe. Additionally, the report noted that the area that failed was close to three repairs that had been made to the pipeline because of corrosion after 2012 inspections.

The agency documents said findings by metallurgists who examined the pipe wall thickness at the break site conflicted with the results of inspections conducted on that area of pipe on May 5 for operator Plains All American Pipeline. Those inspections pinpointed a 45 percent loss of wall thickness in the area of the pipe break, meaning they concluded the pipe was in far better condition.

Government inspectors "noted general external corrosion of the pipe body during field examination of the failed pipe segment," the report said.

Investigators found "this thinning of the pipe wall is greater than the 45 percent metal loss which was indicated" by the recent Plains All American inspections.

The agency ordered the company to conduct additional research and possible repairs on the line, which has been shut down indefinitely.


Source
StealthBlue, I'd been missing these! I hope if there was negligence, the parties are found out.

Read the Book of Acts. The followers of Jesus who lived with him, followed him around Judea and heard him preach, when trying to build a community worthy of him while waiting for his return, pooled their property and resources. They didn't believe in individual charity, they believed in creating a community where each contributed according to his means and received according to his needs. I know pretty much the entire appeal of Christianity is you can believe any thing you like, act any way you like and do anything you want while trusting in God's mercy but the people who actually walked and talked with Jesus had a pretty clear idea of what a Christian society was and it certainly wasn't individualistic.

Edit: The Book of Acts, and the way it is often overlooked, is really fascinating. You would think it would be the single most important book because we don't have a primary source from Jesus on how to build a model Christian society, all we have is an account of what those who knew him, lived alongside him, heard his late night musings by the campfire and so forth did. They did have that information. They knew the answers to questions that subsequent Christians would long to and from they could accurately speculate on his answers to unasked questions because they were friends with the guy. The Book of Acts is an account of what the people who understood what Jesus is about better than any subsequent individual did. And it's literally communism. I'm not saying Jesus was a communist but the people who hung out with him all day and listened to him and then tried to live according to his teachings sure as hell thought he was.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11642 Posts
June 04 2015 14:44 GMT
#40388
On June 04 2015 21:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Rick Perry is running again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMfVqGBE6JI

And now 30 seconds later, we remember why he'll never be relevant.


This guy is incredibly funny. I can never tell if those videos are supposed to be satire or not. I think it will serve my sanity better if i just assume that people like him are basically gigantic trolls who somehow managed to troll an entire nation. That is a lot easier to believe than that there are actually people this insane out there.
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-04 15:13:38
June 04 2015 15:13 GMT
#40389
On June 04 2015 23:44 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 21:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Rick Perry is running again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMfVqGBE6JI

And now 30 seconds later, we remember why he'll never be relevant.


This guy is incredibly funny. I can never tell if those videos are supposed to be satire or not. I think it will serve my sanity better if i just assume that people like him are basically gigantic trolls who somehow managed to troll an entire nation. That is a lot easier to believe than that there are actually people this insane out there.

I'm not sure which is worse, that ad or Carly Fiorina's demon sheep ad.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14899 Posts
June 04 2015 15:18 GMT
#40390
That ad made me so irrationally angry
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-04 15:23:07
June 04 2015 15:20 GMT
#40391
On June 04 2015 23:44 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 21:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Rick Perry is running again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMfVqGBE6JI

And now 30 seconds later, we remember why he'll never be relevant.


This guy is incredibly funny. I can never tell if those videos are supposed to be satire or not. I think it will serve my sanity better if i just assume that people like him are basically gigantic trolls who somehow managed to troll an entire nation. That is a lot easier to believe than that there are actually people this insane out there.


Whether or not Perry is trolling there are enough insane people out here to make him governor of Texas for 15 years. There are plenty of folks out there who eat that shit up. I know people who aren't intelligent enough nor clever enough to be trolls who subscribe to those exact lines of thought. So even if people like Perry, Bachman, and Palin are hamming up the lunacy they're only doing it because there's a large congregation of Americans who are lunatics waiting for their leader.

Even if they've got no chance to make it all the way to the White House, they do have green cash to be separated from.
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Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-04 15:52:26
June 04 2015 15:51 GMT
#40392
On June 04 2015 21:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
PRINCETON, N.J. -- The percentage of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who describe themselves as both social and economic conservatives has dropped to 42%, the lowest level Gallup has measured since 2005. The second-largest group of Republicans (24%) see themselves as moderate or liberal on both social and economic issues, while 20% of all Republicans are moderate or liberal on social issues but conservative on economic ones.
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


These data are from Gallup's Values and Beliefs poll, which since 2001 has included questions asking Americans to rate themselves as conservative, moderate or liberal on social and economic issues. These trends show not only that Americans as a whole have become less likely to identify as social or economic conservatives, but also that Republicans' views are changing along the same lines.

This change in recent years has been significant. The percentage of Republicans identifying as conservative on both dimensions has dropped 15 percentage points since 2012, largely offset by an increase in the percentage who identify as moderate or liberal on both dimensions. Still, the current ideological positioning of Republicans is not unprecedented; the proportion of social and economic conservatives was as low or lower from 2001 through 2005.


Source

What does economic liberal actually mean in the US? Liberal as in (neo)liberal or liberal as in how the democrats are doing it (not that there is such a big difference between these, hue).
I am guessing the latter.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23489 Posts
June 04 2015 17:23 GMT
#40393
On June 04 2015 21:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Rick Perry is running again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMfVqGBE6JI

And now 30 seconds later, we remember why he'll never be relevant.


Well he did do something impressive. He's the first person to officially run while under indictment for corruption.

Walker wants to sign a 20 week abortion ban with forced ultrasounds (hey government check out that uterus...BY FORCE) no exception for rape or incest. Meanwhile the radical pro lifers are still not satisfied because it leaves in an exception to save the woman's life.

Carson wants a two state solution, He figures a good way to do that would be just to put the new Palestine in Egypt somewhere...

“We need to look at fresh ideas,” said Carson. “I don’t have any problem with the Palestinians having a state, but does it need to be within the confines of Israeli territory? Is that necessary, or can you sort of slip that area down into Egypt? Right below Israel, they have some amount of territory, and it can be adjacent.


Source

I'm embarrassed as an American that these people are seriously running for president.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43275 Posts
June 04 2015 17:41 GMT
#40394
If they like desert we have plenty of desert here in New Mexico. Give them a reservation.
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screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-04 17:59:12
June 04 2015 17:52 GMT
#40395
On June 04 2015 17:16 corumjhaelen wrote:
We should rather defend Sanders for what he is and admit he'll have trouble against a "center" republican candidate, even if I do agree that american political middleground is ridiculously far right.


What "center" republican candidate are you talking about? It's not like they are running any Bleeding Heart Libertarians or anything. :D

lol @ that Rick Perry ad... what a disgrace.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23489 Posts
June 04 2015 18:22 GMT
#40396
I'm just curious what the republican opposition to 20 days of early voting nationwide will be. Not sure how they are going to oppose it without just outright saying they don't want more people to vote.

I guess more restrictive voting laws like in Texas is their best plan so far.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 04 2015 19:05 GMT
#40397
Without public notice or debate, the Obama administration has expanded the National Security Agency's warrantless surveillance of Americans' international Internet traffic to search for evidence of malicious computer hacking, according to classified NSA documents.

In mid-2012, Justice Department lawyers wrote two secret memos permitting the spy agency to begin hunting on Internet cables, without a warrant and on American soil, for data linked to computer intrusions originating abroad -- including traffic that flows to suspicious Internet addresses or contains malware, the documents show.

The Justice Department allowed the agency to monitor only addresses and "cybersignatures" -- patterns associated with computer intrusions -- that it could tie to foreign governments. But the documents also note that the NSA sought to target hackers even when it could not establish any links to foreign powers.

The disclosures, based on documents provided by Edward J. Snowden, the former NSA contractor, and shared with the New York Times and ProPublica, come at a time of unprecedented cyberattacks on American financial institutions, businesses and government agencies, but also of greater scrutiny of secret legal justifications for broader government surveillance.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23489 Posts
June 05 2015 01:07 GMT
#40398
"It’s not nation-building. We are assisting them in building their nation," Rubio said of his vision for Iraq.




You guys are serious with these people?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
June 05 2015 02:08 GMT
#40399
On June 05 2015 04:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Without public notice or debate, the Obama administration has expanded the National Security Agency's warrantless surveillance of Americans' international Internet traffic to search for evidence of malicious computer hacking, according to classified NSA documents.

In mid-2012, Justice Department lawyers wrote two secret memos permitting the spy agency to begin hunting on Internet cables, without a warrant and on American soil, for data linked to computer intrusions originating abroad -- including traffic that flows to suspicious Internet addresses or contains malware, the documents show.

The Justice Department allowed the agency to monitor only addresses and "cybersignatures" -- patterns associated with computer intrusions -- that it could tie to foreign governments. But the documents also note that the NSA sought to target hackers even when it could not establish any links to foreign powers.

The disclosures, based on documents provided by Edward J. Snowden, the former NSA contractor, and shared with the New York Times and ProPublica, come at a time of unprecedented cyberattacks on American financial institutions, businesses and government agencies, but also of greater scrutiny of secret legal justifications for broader government surveillance.


Source


King Obama should issue an executive order to extend his president-ship indefinitely.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18839 Posts
June 05 2015 02:11 GMT
#40400
On June 05 2015 11:08 jellyjello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2015 04:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Without public notice or debate, the Obama administration has expanded the National Security Agency's warrantless surveillance of Americans' international Internet traffic to search for evidence of malicious computer hacking, according to classified NSA documents.

In mid-2012, Justice Department lawyers wrote two secret memos permitting the spy agency to begin hunting on Internet cables, without a warrant and on American soil, for data linked to computer intrusions originating abroad -- including traffic that flows to suspicious Internet addresses or contains malware, the documents show.

The Justice Department allowed the agency to monitor only addresses and "cybersignatures" -- patterns associated with computer intrusions -- that it could tie to foreign governments. But the documents also note that the NSA sought to target hackers even when it could not establish any links to foreign powers.

The disclosures, based on documents provided by Edward J. Snowden, the former NSA contractor, and shared with the New York Times and ProPublica, come at a time of unprecedented cyberattacks on American financial institutions, businesses and government agencies, but also of greater scrutiny of secret legal justifications for broader government surveillance.


Source


King Obama should issue an executive order to extend his president-ship indefinitely.

And you should probably go ahead and apply for that job as an intern on the Michael Savage Show that you've always dreamed of.
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