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The New Roach Queen (No Gas on Roach)

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Kyfoid
Profile Joined November 2012
15 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 22:30:58
November 17 2012 22:09 GMT
#1
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MyFirstProbe
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands294 Posts
November 17 2012 22:11 GMT
#2
Doesn't this make strategies like a roach max only easier, since you don't need gas?
Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 22:12:57
November 17 2012 22:12 GMT
#3
Theorycrafting changes is frowned upon here, mostly because it's pointless, teamliquid isn't making the patches, Blizzard is.
I will never ever play Mech against Protoss. - MVP
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
November 17 2012 22:12 GMT
#4
You neglected to make much of a point as to why a change like this would be needed. You said that T and P suffer from Zerg making a lot of roaches, but that's not proof enough for a change like this.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Jukez
Profile Joined June 2012
United States51 Posts
November 17 2012 22:13 GMT
#5
On November 18 2012 07:12 Zaphid wrote:
Theorycrafting changes is frowned upon here, mostly because it's pointless, teamliquid isn't making the patches, Blizzard is.


beat me to it.
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arcane1129
Profile Joined January 2011
United States273 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 22:18:11
November 17 2012 22:14 GMT
#6
This would be a near pointless change that doesn't make any sense (differentiating between larvae??) given the current way the game plays out and would only serve to introduce a host of new balance problems in areas where there currently aren't any.

You compare different units across different races using different mechanics that somehow leads you to protoss needing a probe upgrade!?

Edit: I'm going to assume this is a troll post and continue on my merry way
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5221 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 22:16:45
November 17 2012 22:16 GMT
#7
When I saw the title, I wondered if this was anything like the Hydraroach? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=153275

Sadly, no. Anyway, different races are different. The larva mechanic is an advantage to Zerg, while other races have other advantages. It is what makes the game interesting.
Kyfoid
Profile Joined November 2012
15 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 22:31:14
November 17 2012 22:17 GMT
#8
Deleted.
ChaiNs
Profile Joined June 2012
57 Posts
November 17 2012 22:18 GMT
#9
You could also say Z and P suffer in having to build their buildings in specified areas (creep, plyons) while T gets to build anywhere on the map.

My counter-argument is that the races are designed to be different, and to function differently. The fact that zerg can produce units and drones from 1 structure is a double edged sword. It means that if a zerg produces only roaches, they aren't making drones. Meanwhile, T and P don't suffer in quite the same way because they have different structures to produce units and workers separately.

I don't think a change is necessary to limit zerg's production because zerg design heavily focuses on unit production and the choices that that entails.
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ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
November 17 2012 22:21 GMT
#10
Was expecting baller-wannabe.

Was disappoint.
secret - never again
Kyfoid
Profile Joined November 2012
15 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 22:31:26
November 17 2012 22:21 GMT
#11
Deleted.
jupidar
Profile Joined December 2010
United States229 Posts
November 17 2012 22:21 GMT
#12
This would probably just over-complicate things.
sCCrooked
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1306 Posts
November 17 2012 22:21 GMT
#13
This is a pretty bad interpretation of how the game works. There are serious issues in it that really do need attention, but this in no way addresses any of them.
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Kyfoid
Profile Joined November 2012
15 Posts
November 17 2012 22:24 GMT
#14
What are those issues?
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
November 17 2012 22:25 GMT
#15
On November 18 2012 07:21 ch33psh33p wrote:
Was expecting baller-wannabe.

Was disappoint.

Same.

Also, OP seems to want zerg to have more gas to spend on infestors, since roaches would require none.
Refer to my post.
contv
Profile Joined August 2010
35 Posts
November 17 2012 22:27 GMT
#16
Astonishing logic here - compares Roaches with Marauders and Immortals, ignoring unit role and strength. Invents problems that don't exist ('Zerg suffers when T and P macro with marines/zealots which forces zerg to macro with with a gas costing unit.'--what about the zergling?), then suggests that Protoss needs a new unit specifically to deal with Roaches that apparently can be made with a Forge but not requiring a Cybercore (so a new unit for a 30s-1min window, basically, because that's how soon Stalkers will be available, a window where zerg can't even have roaches). Lol.
Kyfoid
Profile Joined November 2012
15 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 22:31:39
November 17 2012 22:28 GMT
#17
Deleted.
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
November 17 2012 22:28 GMT
#18
I hope typing all that didn't fuck up the rotation too much.
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
Kyfoid
Profile Joined November 2012
15 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 22:32:13
November 17 2012 22:29 GMT
#19
Should have thought about it more before posting.

Closed thread, goodbye.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
November 17 2012 22:32 GMT
#20
i think my brain just exploded. if this is a serious thread and you want to get a point across, i suggest you sit down and really write down your entire thought process behind this, because i have absolutely no idea where you're going with this.
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