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On September 08 2012 23:10 catabowl wrote:
50,000+ troops in Germany
The Germany troops have a lot of different reasons. Germany was the central hub for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for the U.S. , England, and other allies. Germany right now I believe is going through a financial struggle and they had to cut their military by a lot. Having the U.S. military stationed (while the U.S. pays a fee) helps keep Germany as an European strength. From the people I know that are stationed in Germany, everyone over there is extremely nice towards the U.S. troops. There are more smaller reasons but I think the two I listed are the main reasons.
germany does not need any military personnel at home at all. especially not us troops
we like to take your money tho. (as mentioned above).
to be honest,i dont even care if we reduce our "bundeswehr" by 90%.
there is no reason we need any military besides helping in other countries.
edit : not saying i want the us troops to leave,as i said - they bring money in the country,which is great.
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On September 08 2012 23:18 Caryc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 23:10 catabowl wrote:
50,000+ troops in Germany
The Germany troops have a lot of different reasons. Germany was the central hub for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for the U.S. , England, and other allies. Germany right now I believe is going through a financial struggle and they had to cut their military by a lot. Having the U.S. military stationed (while the U.S. pays a fee) helps keep Germany as an European strength. From the people I know that are stationed in Germany, everyone over there is extremely nice towards the U.S. troops. There are more smaller reasons but I think the two I listed are the main reasons.
germany does not need any military personnel at home at all. especially not us troops we like to take your money tho. (as mentioned above). to be honest,i dont even care if we reduce our "bundeswehr" by 90%. there is no reason we need any military besides helping in other countries.
This point of view is delusional, giving up the military means feeding the country to potential threats that may arise in the future (you cannot just rebuild if new threats arise, it takes time, money, infrastructure manpower and weaponry).
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I'm sure someone probably asked this already, but what is proposed if all those troops were shipped back to America? What exactly would all those troops be doing back home? Training? Taking other people's potential jobs? Contributing to unemployment?
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edit : @angrymag
get a working intelligence service instead. no1 cares about tanks etc. at least not in the middle of europe.
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On September 08 2012 23:23 AngryMag wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 23:18 Caryc wrote:On September 08 2012 23:10 catabowl wrote:
50,000+ troops in Germany
The Germany troops have a lot of different reasons. Germany was the central hub for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for the U.S. , England, and other allies. Germany right now I believe is going through a financial struggle and they had to cut their military by a lot. Having the U.S. military stationed (while the U.S. pays a fee) helps keep Germany as an European strength. From the people I know that are stationed in Germany, everyone over there is extremely nice towards the U.S. troops. There are more smaller reasons but I think the two I listed are the main reasons.
germany does not need any military personnel at home at all. especially not us troops we like to take your money tho. (as mentioned above). to be honest,i dont even care if we reduce our "bundeswehr" by 90%. there is no reason we need any military besides helping in other countries. This point of view is delusional, giving up the military means feeding the country to potential threats that may arise in the future (you cannot just rebuild if new threats arise, it takes time, money, infrastructure manpower and weaponry).
Security over independence, interesting argument.
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On September 08 2012 23:24 Caryc wrote:
edit : @angrymag
get a working intelligence service instead. no1 cares about tanks etc. at least not in the middle of europe.
This can't work. First you imply perfect information on intelligence side, which will never happen. What happens if potential threats get overlooked? What if the miltary strength of potential threats get evaluated false? What happens if the military cannot rebuild in time to react to threats?
Your point of view might work in an utopia of everlasting world peace, but as long as power interests, fighting for control of natural ressources etc. play a role in world politics, this approach simply cannot work.
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On September 08 2012 23:30 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 23:23 AngryMag wrote:On September 08 2012 23:18 Caryc wrote:On September 08 2012 23:10 catabowl wrote:
50,000+ troops in Germany
The Germany troops have a lot of different reasons. Germany was the central hub for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for the U.S. , England, and other allies. Germany right now I believe is going through a financial struggle and they had to cut their military by a lot. Having the U.S. military stationed (while the U.S. pays a fee) helps keep Germany as an European strength. From the people I know that are stationed in Germany, everyone over there is extremely nice towards the U.S. troops. There are more smaller reasons but I think the two I listed are the main reasons.
germany does not need any military personnel at home at all. especially not us troops we like to take your money tho. (as mentioned above). to be honest,i dont even care if we reduce our "bundeswehr" by 90%. there is no reason we need any military besides helping in other countries. This point of view is delusional, giving up the military means feeding the country to potential threats that may arise in the future (you cannot just rebuild if new threats arise, it takes time, money, infrastructure manpower and weaponry). Security over independence, interesting argument.
Having no miltary means independence? Grow up, really
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On September 08 2012 23:30 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 23:23 AngryMag wrote:On September 08 2012 23:18 Caryc wrote:On September 08 2012 23:10 catabowl wrote:
50,000+ troops in Germany
The Germany troops have a lot of different reasons. Germany was the central hub for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for the U.S. , England, and other allies. Germany right now I believe is going through a financial struggle and they had to cut their military by a lot. Having the U.S. military stationed (while the U.S. pays a fee) helps keep Germany as an European strength. From the people I know that are stationed in Germany, everyone over there is extremely nice towards the U.S. troops. There are more smaller reasons but I think the two I listed are the main reasons.
germany does not need any military personnel at home at all. especially not us troops we like to take your money tho. (as mentioned above). to be honest,i dont even care if we reduce our "bundeswehr" by 90%. there is no reason we need any military besides helping in other countries. This point of view is delusional, giving up the military means feeding the country to potential threats that may arise in the future (you cannot just rebuild if new threats arise, it takes time, money, infrastructure manpower and weaponry). Security over independence, interesting argument.
I don't see how reducing the military by 90% and becoming Russia's bitch has anything to do with independence.
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On September 08 2012 23:38 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 23:30 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 08 2012 23:23 AngryMag wrote:On September 08 2012 23:18 Caryc wrote:On September 08 2012 23:10 catabowl wrote:
50,000+ troops in Germany
The Germany troops have a lot of different reasons. Germany was the central hub for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for the U.S. , England, and other allies. Germany right now I believe is going through a financial struggle and they had to cut their military by a lot. Having the U.S. military stationed (while the U.S. pays a fee) helps keep Germany as an European strength. From the people I know that are stationed in Germany, everyone over there is extremely nice towards the U.S. troops. There are more smaller reasons but I think the two I listed are the main reasons.
germany does not need any military personnel at home at all. especially not us troops we like to take your money tho. (as mentioned above). to be honest,i dont even care if we reduce our "bundeswehr" by 90%. there is no reason we need any military besides helping in other countries. This point of view is delusional, giving up the military means feeding the country to potential threats that may arise in the future (you cannot just rebuild if new threats arise, it takes time, money, infrastructure manpower and weaponry). Security over independence, interesting argument. I don't see how reducing the military by 90% and becoming Russia's bitch has anything to do with independence.
I don't believe you understood the notion of my statement and Germany would not just "become Russia's bitch" you have no idea what you're talking about do you?
And to the poster who said "grow up" with regards to my statement, I don't see how that disagrees with it. I never stated "remove 90%" or anything along those lines, I just said it's interesting that German people would prefer security over independence which is in the most technical way speaking what that is.
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On September 08 2012 23:43 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 23:38 zalz wrote:On September 08 2012 23:30 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 08 2012 23:23 AngryMag wrote:On September 08 2012 23:18 Caryc wrote:On September 08 2012 23:10 catabowl wrote:
50,000+ troops in Germany
The Germany troops have a lot of different reasons. Germany was the central hub for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for the U.S. , England, and other allies. Germany right now I believe is going through a financial struggle and they had to cut their military by a lot. Having the U.S. military stationed (while the U.S. pays a fee) helps keep Germany as an European strength. From the people I know that are stationed in Germany, everyone over there is extremely nice towards the U.S. troops. There are more smaller reasons but I think the two I listed are the main reasons.
germany does not need any military personnel at home at all. especially not us troops we like to take your money tho. (as mentioned above). to be honest,i dont even care if we reduce our "bundeswehr" by 90%. there is no reason we need any military besides helping in other countries. This point of view is delusional, giving up the military means feeding the country to potential threats that may arise in the future (you cannot just rebuild if new threats arise, it takes time, money, infrastructure manpower and weaponry). Security over independence, interesting argument. I don't see how reducing the military by 90% and becoming Russia's bitch has anything to do with independence. I don't believe you understood the notion of my statement and Germany would not just "become Russia's bitch" you have no idea what you're talking about do you? And to the poster who said "grow up" with regards to my statement, I don't see how that disagrees with it. I never stated "remove 90%" or anything along those lines, I just said it's interesting that German people would prefer security over independence which is in the most technical way speaking what that is.
I guess I undertstood your comment wrong, so sorry for the grow up line. I am against most of the US military presence in Germany (The guys associated with NATO operations can stay here, as Germany is part of the alliance). But I am strongly against the nukes here and the large number of 50000 soldiers (+20000 Brits etc.). These are simply rests of the cold war and the occupation force installed after WWII.
The other poster suggested to largely abandon the german military, which in my opinion is borderline delusional. His argument had nothing to do with US forces.
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On September 08 2012 23:10 catabowl wrote:
50,000+ troops in Germany
The Germany troops have a lot of different reasons. Germany was the central hub for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for the U.S. , England, and other allies. Germany right now I believe is going through a financial struggle and they had to cut their military by a lot. Having the U.S. military stationed (while the U.S. pays a fee) helps keep Germany as an European strength. From the people I know that are stationed in Germany, everyone over there is extremely nice towards the U.S. troops. There are more smaller reasons but I think the two I listed are the main reasons.
Yes to the first reason, bullshit to the other one. The US army in Germany does not help keep Germany's strength, it's there purely for its own interest. And it's not that Germany needs to show any military strength in the first place, much like the rest of Europe doesn't.
You're right though, people are usually pretty nice to the troops, though I also heard stories about soldiers committing various crimes in Germany without any punishment whatsoever, since US soldiers in Germany cannot be tried by German law. Which is an absurdity on its own.
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On September 08 2012 13:35 xrapture wrote:
Read any history book. Which nations are glorified?
Britian, Rome, Japan, Egypt. Countries with a strong military presence. We do the dirty work so the other countries can keep their thumbs up their asses.
But, we'll be remembered.
Has to be one of the most pathetic thing I ever read in my entire life, congratulations, Germany had a strong military presence right? And japanese invasion of Asia was "GLORIOUS", right. Yeah, we'll remember, dont worry about that
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Another reason I would suspect we've maintained such a presence overseas is that it serves as a deterrent to other countries. Ignoring that it obviously deters the "occupied" country's potential for risky behavior, it legitimately forces other surrounding countries to consider their actions as well. North Korea tries to pull a Sadam Hussein and take over a smaller, weaker country for no other reason than greed, they're going to have to seriously consider not only fighting the country they are attacking, but the United States and anyone else who's allied (or it would serve in their best interest to help) with said country. The world is at risk enough as it is given the current state of foreign affairs, and I'm not convinced it would be the wisest decision to eliminate/drastically lower the set deterrent that is the United States' overseas military.
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I still think it is retarded to have 50k soldiers in Germany... What are they doing exactly?
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Yes, we should cut our global security presence. Despite what the educational system teaches, the War industry DOES NOT boost an economy. Every dime that is spent on a tank is a dime that wasn't spent on a school. Every mind that is engineering a better way to kill is a mind that isn't engineering a better computer. People like to say that WWII pulled America out of the Great Depression. It's one of the biggest lies told to children. The truth is that America was able to assume the "Superpower" mantle after that war, not because we fought it, but because America was the country least affected by the war. We were able to fill a power vacuum left by the other World's Powers (The British Empire, France, Germany) being decimated by the war.
Cutting the military's global presence in the modern political climate, however, is much easier said than done. For one, it's bad for PR. Anyone who suggests cutting the Defense Department is immediately labeled as "soft" and is blasted for "putting our nation's security at risk". For two, many powerful Congressmen have ties to military contractors. Boeing, Halliburton, and General Dynamics are some of the largest campaign contributors in the country and have a healthy influence over many of our elected represenatives. Some Congressmen have these business's manufacturing plants located within their districts, and they are not going to vote to phase out a redundant or obsolete piece of military equipment when the result could mean fewer jobs in their districts.
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Personally I think the US army is scary because of the dubious democracy of the states. Personally I think the lack of college education in the US is alarming. Tax funded colleges is imo a corner stone to democracy. The worlds largest army is in a country where the vast majority of voters don't have any education past high school, and that is a scary thing indeed.
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are you freaking kidding me?Rest of the world are little kids and dumbass, they dont know how to behave and build their country.So we have to bomb them to ground and then learn them how to build! That America Burden! For Democracy, for Justice and for Money! God bless America, you communist bitch.
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On September 09 2012 00:56 Pro gamer registerin wrote:
are you freaking kidding me?Rest of the world are little kids and dumbass, they dont know how to behave and build their country.So we have to bomb them to ground and then learn them how to build! That America Burden! For Democracy, for Justice and for Money! God bless America, you communist bitch.
Do you actually know what communism is?
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On September 09 2012 00:58 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 00:56 Pro gamer registerin wrote:
are you freaking kidding me?Rest of the world are little kids and dumbass, they dont know how to behave and build their country.So we have to bomb them to ground and then learn them how to build! That America Burden! For Democracy, for Justice and for Money! God bless America, you communist bitch.
Do you actually know what communism is?
Ofcourse! I studied at Fox News college . what the hell is "Singapore" anyway?
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This is not the right place to ask this question as there will be nonsensical bias out the ass. Let me first point out that nearly all of our military presence throughout the world is BY REQUEST.
Since we have a strong Korean influence here I'll use the example of the DMZ. South Korea would piss itself if we decided to leave in the name of being less......forceful. We keep shitbags out of your countries and maintain markets and trade lines. All allies to the United States benefit from this policy except you guys don't have to do a damn thing.
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