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Keep this civil, guys
Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
May 04 2012 07:23 GMT
#141
TL community reminds of carrion swarms, or vultures that descend upon anyone unfortunate enough to do anything they deem "unacceptable".

Keep it up, you yourselves are killing 'esports'.
"I am a beacon of knowledge blazing out across a black sea of ignorance. "
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
May 04 2012 07:23 GMT
#142
On May 04 2012 16:18 LeLfe wrote:
politically correct won again, destination boredom...

If calling someone racial or homophobic slurs is being exciting I don't want to be exciting.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
May 04 2012 07:24 GMT
#143
On May 04 2012 16:22 Mithridates wrote:
These witchunts destroy the scene. We are trying to get corporation interested in sponsoring starcraft 2 not the other way around

If sponsors check out a potential scene and find it full of racism, sexism, and homophobia I doubt they'll be very interested either.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 07:26:07
May 04 2012 07:24 GMT
#144
destiny is free to do whatever he wants to do, many enjoy his entertainment and wish him the best.

however, when a person is representing a organization, there are standards. the organization can either support what he does or be against it. but i would take a guess that the consensus would say such behavior shouldn't run wild while representing a organization that cares about their image, important to some or not.

it wouldn't hurt him to be his own entertainer like many others that live off of supplying digital content.

to me this has little or nothing to do with what he says but what he says while representing something else.
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
Wampaibist
Profile Joined July 2010
United States478 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 07:25:42
May 04 2012 07:24 GMT
#145
Everyone is just blaming others and each other now. What's done is done, forgive and take a step forward.

TL has their rules, as does the World.

Free speech can be an excuse to talk down to someone. Yeah you can say shit, but it's not always the right thing to do.

Xeteh
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States589 Posts
May 04 2012 07:24 GMT
#146
What you say with your friends and family is one thing... what you say when you're in the public eye while making money doing it is entirely another. Cry free speech all you want, next time you're in class or at work tell your teacher/boss that s/he's a fucking nigger, see what that gets you.
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
May 04 2012 07:25 GMT
#147
On May 04 2012 16:24 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 16:22 Mithridates wrote:
These witchunts destroy the scene. We are trying to get corporation interested in sponsoring starcraft 2 not the other way around

If sponsors check out a potential scene and find it full of racism, sexism, and homophobia I doubt they'll be very interested either.


Yes, because the scene of currently full of racism, sexism, and homophobia. And one person is entirely to blame for the whole scene being plagued by it.

Yep. Lets just magnify the smallest of problems to encourage sponsors, is that how it works?
secret - never again
PhoenixDark
Profile Joined March 2011
United States286 Posts
May 04 2012 07:25 GMT
#148
If he's going to be targeted he has every right to point out the hypocrisy of others getting away with similar behavior. I don't agree with Destiny's bullshit sophmoric opinions but emailing sponsers sets a dangerous precident that WILL lead to bad things.But hey, gotta help esports right!

I'll still watch his stream, he's entertaining even when I vehemently disagree with him. And besides, I like the idea of an independent voice out there
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=435469
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
May 04 2012 07:25 GMT
#149
Why are people getting so mad about emailing sponsors?

To me it seems like being mad that a teacher/grandmother/etc telling your father the bad thing you did instead of your mother, resulting in your ass getting busted. Seems kind of deceitful.

Not to mention Quantic had to have known who and what Destiny was when they acquired him. I have not once seen a statement from Quantic regarding Destiny's language and I (and a few others I know) have emailed them several times before this expressing discomfort with Destiny's hateful and hurtful language on his stream.

Lessons are best learned the hard way. Destiny's behavior is completely unacceptable in all mainstream outlets. He makes the point that SC2 is a game with killing and its dumb to ban words, but look at the NFL? It's a dangerous and deadly sport famous for intense violence, yet if a player even said "gook" once he'd be suspended/fined several hundred thousand dollars and if he continued to do it he'd be out of a job.

If Razer drops Quantic, if Daddy beats your ass with the belt, too bad. It's no one's fault but Destiny.

It's our faults for informing Razer of the speech of one of a person on whom their logo is? Obviously Razer doesn't think they are just words.
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
May 04 2012 07:25 GMT
#150
On May 04 2012 16:20 Sliver wrote:
Why is his stream de-listed when he's banned but IdrA's is not?

IdrA currently isn't banned.
-Exalt-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States972 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 10:28:44
May 04 2012 07:25 GMT
#151
On May 04 2012 16:17 Grohg wrote:
He won't lose his fan base because this is the crap they like about him. I don't understand how some people think that this is a bad thing that he got cornered and forced out for blatantly spouting trash. If you are sponsored by anyone, you are responsible for what you say...it doesn't matter if you don't mean it. This doesn't go down well anywhere but on the internet and it needs to be clamped down on here. Say what you want when you're on your own but the second you have to answer to a higher authority you need to cut the crap out.

Good for him, he's free of that obligation now and he can say whatever he wants. Anytime you are a community figure, whether you want to be or not, your actions and words represent something larger than yourself. If you don't want this responsibility, stop doing things that will highlight yourself publicly and you'll lose people's interest (especially when you're an average player in the case of SC2). Fame comes with a higher standard...it doesn't matter if it's e-fame in a small community or global fame. People don't get away with stuff like this in the real world...there's no reason a double standard should exist because it's the internet.


well, he will lose a lot of his viewer base. so I re itterate, i really hope TL plans on re-featuring him when he's un banned and has had some time to think.

ie, i don't go to his stream URL every few hours to see if he is streaming atm.. I look at the sidebar on TL T_T
Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
May 04 2012 07:26 GMT
#152
TL community reminds of carrion swarms, or vultures that descend upon anyone unfortunate enough to do anything they deem "unacceptable".


Why are you putting " " around unacceptable, in what nation is it acceptable to racially abuse people? In real life you would get fired from your job, expelled from school etc it has actual real consequences.

Its about time that the same rules apply to the internet.
★ Top Gun ★
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
May 04 2012 07:26 GMT
#153
To go on a slight tangent: I would like to see teams take more responsibility for the public actions of their players. I am sure that teams have rules as to how their players should and should not behave, and if these rules were properly enforced then things would never go as far as contacting sponsors. I dont agree with contacting sponsors until teams have had a few weeks to deal with the issues internally.
keioh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France1099 Posts
May 04 2012 07:26 GMT
#154
MORE D-D-D-DRAMA !

Also...


D-D-D-DRAMA !

User was warned for this post
GIMME ALL THE BELGIAN WAFFLES I CAN GET FOR THIS MONEY !!!!!! BELGIAN WAFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFLEEEEEEEEES
alpinefpOPP
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States134 Posts
May 04 2012 07:26 GMT
#155
On May 04 2012 16:01 Tyree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 15:53 Primadog wrote:
I give it another month until TL/reddit decide their next lynch target and mess with the sponsors again. The mob has tested power and will abuse it.

For those that actually wrote to sponsors for this and that Orb thing, did you ever wrote anything to the sponsors outside of these lynch campaigns? Why not? Wouldn't positive thank you emails contribute far more than throwing one of us under the bus?



Until certain players and commentators stop acting like KKK members and start living in 2012 i say: i hope TL and reddit members continue doing what they have been doing, cleaning up the community, because nobody else is doing that.

The so called "faces" of SC2 are too concerned with sponsors and $$$, less about ethics and not turning this place into 4chan.

Show nested quote +

On May 04 2012 15:58 MHT wrote:
Were about to kill ourselves guys, just stop it with these witchhunts.



Rather a witch hunt than a clans meeting.



Really clan meetings?? Thats a bit harsh dont you think? I really dont think that just because someone said something offensive in a ladder game is going to lead to a part of the community becoming out of control racists who join the KKK.
Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
May 04 2012 07:27 GMT
#156
On May 04 2012 16:05 ch33psh33p wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 16:04 Kamwah wrote:
On May 04 2012 15:53 ch33psh33p wrote:
On May 04 2012 15:52 Blackfoger wrote:
On May 04 2012 15:48 ch33psh33p wrote:
What a wonderfully toxic community.

How is it toxic. I believe that it was very just such as what happened with orb. Don Imus got fired basically doing the same thing. Players should be policed


Its toxic because it put the entirety of Quantic at risk over one disagreement that happened on ladder.

Now imagine if this trend continues, players will cease to have ANY personality for fear of saying ONE thing wrong, and having a bunch of children email their sponsors, tagging them as CRITICAL, and having their entire team suffer.



Completely wrong.

In professional sports you always get people who are more outspoken than others and that doesn't affect them a whole deal.
What Destiny does on his stream is just juvenile whether he's racist or not.


Look at what happened.

This has nothing to with mainstream sports. Razer was going to put Quantic in an unfavorable situation thanks to what happened, and Destiny took the bullet for them. I don't know what you're referring to by completely wrong, but all I did was state the situation as it happened.


He may have taken the bullet, but he was also the one that pulled the trigger.
$♥$
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
May 04 2012 07:27 GMT
#157
On May 04 2012 16:25 ch33psh33p wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 16:24 DystopiaX wrote:
On May 04 2012 16:22 Mithridates wrote:
These witchunts destroy the scene. We are trying to get corporation interested in sponsoring starcraft 2 not the other way around

If sponsors check out a potential scene and find it full of racism, sexism, and homophobia I doubt they'll be very interested either.


Yes, because the scene of currently full of racism, sexism, and homophobia. And one person is entirely to blame for the whole scene being plagued by it.

Yep. Lets just magnify the smallest of problems to encourage sponsors, is that how it works?

Never said that. But if people let it happen I'm sure it would be more prevalent than it is now. Check out some other scenes that aren't concered about "manner" as much as we are.
VPCursed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
1044 Posts
May 04 2012 07:27 GMT
#158
On May 04 2012 16:15 FunkQue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 16:14 vileIllusion wrote:
Steven is a smart guy, very selfless as well.


How is he smart? If he was smart he would have acted like a mature person while being sponsored.

would that have gotten him more viewers?
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
May 04 2012 07:27 GMT
#159
On May 04 2012 16:11 MaestroSC wrote:
Wow what a joke. People have figured out they can feel important by emailing crap to sponsors.

Looking forward to people getting kicked from teams soon just for winning on ladder, or not signing autographs at future events lol... GL to any1 who relies on sponsorship money... kiss ur fans asses or they email ur sponsors until u are dropped....

what a joke.

Congratulations on a nobody feeling important and powerful though by emailing a sponsor, and trying to get what little money sponsors generate taken out of esports.

This is grown ass men crying to mom when someone hurt their feelings? LOL what a joke... where do people live where everyone blows sunshine out of ur ass all day and no1 says anything that hurts ur poor little feelings?

THIS JUST IN.... IF YOU DONT LIKE SOMETHING DONT WATCH IT.

This is like buying a song on itunes then complaining to itunes that there was swearing in it... even when its clearly advertised that there is swearing in it LOLOL... what a fucking joke... so this is how esports will die.

Next time Idra doesnt GG im emailing every sponsor!... <~ thats sarcasm btw... just showing you how out of hand this has gotten...

lol, welcome to planet Earth good sir. The planet where humans live and thrive.
You think this is the sc2 community? Wrong, this is humans in general. This is the way the world works. If you don't like something, you have to stand up and speak out. If you think something is wrong with something you like, you have to stand up and speak out.
If there is someone or something that is not liked, people will stand up and speak out.

Not everyone will stand up and speak out, but in cases like Destiny, yes, you will have enough people stand up and speak out.

If you want to not watch when people in your community do terrible things, then you're hurting the community, not the other way around (terrible being a personalized word, meaning it's intensity fluctuates depending on a person's value). When someone gets kicked out for doing stuff wrong, it's not a wrong from the people who kicked them out, it's a wrong from people who did stuff wrong.

Some people like it when people do stuff wrong.. They think it's funny or cool or attractive for some reason or another, but those people have different opinions, normally most of which bring upon more harm than not. If you're one of those people, you should be ashamed.

Destiny said he won't be doing as much stuff wrong (publicly at least) as he was before. He's all dandy without his Quantic partnership. There isn't really anyone being hurt here, just a lesson being learned.

Let this be a note to aspiring progamers: Just because some pros have gotten to their pro status having some ridiculous and unprofessional characteristics, you will be criticized, and it's possible that it will get to a point where your career will be affected.
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
blamous
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States377 Posts
May 04 2012 07:28 GMT
#160
I would just like to point out that the same blind sense of anonymity and rage that allows guys like Destiny and Orb to TYPE UGLY WORDS IN A FREAKIN CHAT is the exact same blind sense of anonymity and rage that allows other more self righteous people to write the hateful emails that are COSTING PEOPLE THEIR JOBS AND LIVELIHOODS.

You tell me which is more caustic and hurtful... fucking hypocrites.

User was temp banned for this post.
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