SCCL - DAY 3

On November 06 2005 08:32 ret wrote:
Go Go TMG

On November 06 2005 08:39 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Sen 2:0 Gabriel ( 99 % ) The 2nd game is almost over..

On November 06 2005 08:44 iNsaNe- wrote:
Midian is 1-0 Jang

Twisted 1-0 Leta

On November 06 2005 08:49 ret wrote:
well the game is not over yet but i dont think twisted can win anymore.

he totally threw the game tho, it was 100% his win ;p

( I am obsing it as we speak )

On November 06 2005 09:17 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
jang is asleep so they forfeit 2v2 as well LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Freezer wanna worm ur way out of this plz?

They care so much about euro gaming they name share and go to sleep during cw's ?

On November 06 2005 09:21 TS-Rupbar wrote:


Just Let it Go

On November 06 2005 09:30 SunShine wrote:
Well in the wc3 qualifiers for the last season 3 or even 4 teams were banned for account sharing.

On November 06 2005 09:32 littlechava wrote:
So, what's it feel like to be the most hated team in the league oG)?

On November 06 2005 09:34 Ebenol wrote:
Every league needs at least one antagonist so everyone will know who to cheer for.

On November 06 2005 09:44 AhKillEaSe wrote:
firefist is better than jang...why would they say it's giving tot a chance? lol

On November 06 2005 09:46 MaGic~PhiL wrote:


THATS ABSOLUTELY IRRELEVANT! ACCOUNT SHARING IN SUCH AN IMPORTANT AD PRESTIGEOUS CLAN LEAGUE IS FUCKING BULL SHIT ... Ban oG) .. no other way. wtf are they thinking..

On November 06 2005 09:47 [GiTM]-Ace wrote:
calm down man. even the tot) members dont seem to be as affected as u are lol

On November 06 2005 09:46 MaGic~PhiL wrote:


THATS ABSOLUTELY IRRELEVANT! ACCOUNT SHARING IN SUCH AN IMPORTANT AD PRESTIGEOUS CLAN LEAGUE IS FUCKING BULL SHIT ... Ban oG) .. no other way. wtf are they thinking..

On November 06 2005 09:48 MaGic~PhiL wrote:



Ok sir!

Still i find this so.. fucking bm.. why the fuck are they doing this ? my godness.. how unprofessional these semi- PROS are.. T _T

On November 06 2005 09:52 ret wrote:
uhm;

account sharing is very bad.

but those korean saying tot noob clan, is very understandable.

since the beginning of the clanwar they have been flamed/talked shit to by strafe and other people.
so that reaction is understandable, those koreans are usually manner.

On November 06 2005 10:06 manji wrote:
so here's the basic situation: non koreans got raped by koreans, and are now complaining that koreans shouldnt even be in league because koreans are too good even though a clan is a clan and the foreign bw players want to be the best. thus the flame war started with those underlying issues.

then my conclusion is those non koreans are a buncha cry babies.

Update 18:40
oG took the lead but then it was discovered that oG)Jang wasnt playing against ToT)Midian( but instead got Firefirst to play for him. This ofcourse is against SCCL regulations resulting in not counting the win for oG, but instead giving it to ToT. Score oG 2 - 2 ToT. 2v2 being played right now!

On November 06 2005 09:24 MaGic~PhiL wrote:



LOL ? IDIOT ??

No, it wasnt even funny..
for the 1000time..

On November 06 2005 10:51 RaGe wrote:
You shouldnt blame the koreans in oG), I doubt they know the situation

And I doubt that you would be complaining if tot won 5-0

On November 06 2005 11:03 SayTT wrote:
ye but someone can start by telling us where the information about acc sharing was found, cuz if it was just trashtalking in cw-channel it dosent count for shit

On November 06 2005 11:05 littlechava wrote:
og)semen

On November 06 2005 11:20 Kaolla wrote:
I think its bullshit personally...
Jang is a better player, ToT was just lucky that he didnt play and some (probably worse) other player played...
if ToT really wants to be the best, this shouldnt be a problem at all...
However if this is the way they want to achieve a win they should of course, but i dont think they will...
ToT is always wanting to prove they can compete with Koreans, why complain when they get a less good korean playing....
It wouldnt make sense to me, and it would prove to me they gave up on beating even 'mediocre' koreans...
I mean they should be happy Jang didnt play, not the opposite... And if they will complain i think it would be the proof ToT is not ready to compete with Korean teams just yet, even if they played some friendly wars and won...
It's not like Boxer or Reach was playing, it was a mistake and i think if ToT would be mature they would admit their loss vs a (probably) less good player >.<
not saying FireFist would be bad at all >.<

On November 06 2005 11:23 DaZe wrote:


lol its not about getting good competition and that Jang is a better player, its about they doing something that are AGAINST the rules.

On November 06 2005 11:20 Kaolla wrote:
I think its bullshit personally...
Jang is a better player, ToT was just lucky that he didnt play and some (probably worse) other player played...
if ToT really wants to be the best, this shouldnt be a problem at all...
However if this is the way they want to achieve a win they should of course, but i dont think they will...
ToT is always wanting to prove they can compete with Koreans, why complain when they get a less good korean playing....
It wouldnt make sense to me, and it would prove to me they gave up on beating even 'mediocre' koreans...
I mean they should be happy Jang didnt play, not the opposite... And if they will complain i think it would be the proof ToT is not ready to compete with Korean teams just yet, even if they played some friendly wars and won...
It's not like Boxer or Reach was playing, it was a mistake and i think if ToT would be mature they would admit their loss vs a (probably) less good player >.<
not saying FireFist would be bad at all >.<

On November 06 2005 11:26 Twisted wrote:


can people GET more retarded? :/

On November 06 2005 11:34 Kaolla wrote:
well maybe but at the same time u want to say ToT isnt good enough to beat even non semi pro's and thats kinda bad imho...
specially cause u (ToT) tried to prove u could lately...
and i think if i would've played and lost no one would've cared...
just the fact that u check replays to look for it says alot imho...
still have a loooooooooong way to go

On November 06 2005 11:30 Kaolla wrote:


yea i think if they would all be midgets like Erwin and fkn hated by anyone living in the same country...
good arguments tho... maybe grow up and actually try to say anything that adds something to it?
stinkin fag >.<

On November 06 2005 11:35 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
the statement on oG is ''ok'' . But still i dont see how ToT) did anything wrong.. except some flaming by certain persons. WHich is one thing.. account sharing is another.. ANd u dindt even say directly, that AN OTHER PERSON PLAYED WITH NICK OF AN OTHER PERSON. Why in the hell did they not simply replace the player ? .. T_T

On November 06 2005 11:39 MaGic~PhiL wrote:



lol u are stupid..

wtf are u even talking about ? Several different things, which have really nothing to do with this account sharing thing. WHAT DO U WANT TO TELL US ? O.o


OG) cheated ~> Cheating ~> ban

simple isnt it ?

On November 06 2005 11:39 asla wrote:
yep it sure is against the rules, but the thing is, it didnt have any effect to the outcome..
It doesnt matter if midian would have won jang or firefist, still tot would have lost and there is not a damn thing that changes it..
Its not like i think this is a good thing, but it just happens to be so that this "abuse" or whatever changes nothing at all..

On November 06 2005 11:35 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
the statement on oG is ''ok'' . But still i dont see how ToT) did anything wrong.. except some flaming by certain persons. WHich is one thing.. account sharing is another.. ANd u dindt even say directly, that AN OTHER PERSON PLAYED WITH NICK OF AN OTHER PERSON. Why in the hell did they not simply replace the player ? .. T_T

***[K2] caught cheating!
During today's clanwar we encountered some discrepancies. After further investigations we found out that Focus[K2] did not play his games vs Pentagram.NightWOlf, but instead it was Go)Winner playing for him. After confronting him with our proofs he admitted the deed and gave us the following statement:

Yes, its right that Go)Winner played instead of me and I am very sorry about this.Yesterday, I didn't sleep that much and i felt very sick today, as u can see at my default lose in the ige league. Anyways i waited for HappY today, but he didnt came online because it was too early i guess. I couldn't stay online any longer because i have problems to breath, so i decided to ask Go)Winner for playing instead of me. I know this was the wrongest choice i could ever take, but i guess my sickness harrased my brain too much so i wasn't thinking clearly. I am really sorry to CNN and specially to my teammates, that i cheated them all and i will take all debt on my shoulder.

We would like to mention, that the clan [K2] was very cooperative after being confronted with the unfortunate happenings, nonetheless the WC3L does not and will not accept such a behaviour. Therefore the clan [K2] will be disqualified from the ongoing qualifier tournament and the two players involved along with the clan are banned from the WC3L.

On November 06 2005 11:48 iD.MidiaN wrote:
Kaollo, question: If you suspected someone of maphacking and you had the means to check one way or another, would you check? I believe you would. This was effectively the same situation, I didn't believe that Jang could play zvz to that level, since he is a terran player, and thus I checked... It has nothing to do with me trying to make excuses for losing... And if you honestly believe we go around trying to prove we're better than semi pros then you are just a complete and utter retard. We play against the best competition we can find, it's called a challenge, we don't attempt to prove shit.

On November 06 2005 11:35 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
the statement on oG is ''ok'' . But still i dont see how ToT) did anything wrong.. except some flaming by certain persons. WHich is one thing.. account sharing is another.. ANd u dindt even say directly, that AN OTHER PERSON PLAYED WITH NICK OF AN OTHER PERSON. Why in the hell did they not simply replace the player ? .. T_T

On November 06 2005 11:55 MaTRiX[SiN] wrote:
seaman wasnt informed properly of the rules and didnt know that you could replace players like that and he thougt he was letting the team down if he didnt get someone else to play.

Well I am sure it has all been brought to your attention that the recent SCCL match between oGaming and the Templars of Twilight has produced all sorts of controversy ranging from manner and racism through to cheating.

Before I will go into the cheating incident I would just like to say that in nearly 100 matches that I have organised for my clan oGaming. I have never been more disgusted with the amount of racism and abuse directed at my team mates. We as in my clan oG) were looking very much forward to this clanwar all week and it pretty much ended up being a disaster as soon as the very first of the ToT) members entered the channel. Our players were instructed even before the match took place that we would be expecting abuse and that we were not to retaliate. But the abuse shown on the behalf of ToT) was pathetic and showed no signs of sportsmanship what so ever. Then not long after, our clan was tagbanned from the channel: “op ToT)” simply because ToT)Mondragon( lost his 2 opening games.

Now going into the account sharing controversy. Yes oGaming is at fault and we will accept what ever punishment is handed to us. I am sure you may all want to know what happened and who is at fault ? The fault lies in myself and the management of oGaming for not making the SCCL rules clearer to our players.

The incident however did go unnoticed by our clan until it was found out by ToT)Midian( after the matches had actually finished, that a non listed oG) member played for oG)Jang . The reason this happened as we later found out is that after the draw was made at 16:30CET time, oG)Jang was unable to play and went offline. Causing our Korean manager oG)Seaman to panick, and not wanting to let oGaming down he selected a non registered player of his to replace oG)Jang without knowing the rules of abuse. and then after it was found out that the account sharing took place and the match being reversed 2-0 in favour of ToT).

oGaming would like to appologise to all our supporters who we may have let down and also to the administration of SCCL who have made a huge effort to get this league up.

- Freezer

On November 06 2005 10:14 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
wow @ mym's lineup, they arent fucking around this time

PJ
HBQ
BlackMan
forgot other, but thats a damn good lineup ~_~

On November 06 2005 12:07 taDa wrote:


why would they fuck around to begin with? It is usually a coin flip when it comes to them... but, I would say Suncow and Enjoy have to prove themselves moreso than the other players. ;o

As for the oG) scenario... you guys need screenshots. Account Sharing in Clan Leagues is a serious offence so hopefully the Admins justify it.

On November 06 2005 12:04 SwedishHero wrote:
How come everybode thinks that jang got replaced by another player is worse then the obvious discusting trashtalk by tot of oG´s koreans. I think that deserves more of a ban than the player replacements

On November 06 2005 12:04 SwedishHero wrote:
How come everybode thinks that jang got replaced by another player is worse then the obvious discusting trashtalk by tot of oG´s koreans. I think that deserves more of a ban than the player replacements

On November 06 2005 12:22 k3fka wrote:
a good solution , let jang play who he was supposed to play , everyone who trashtalked apologize everything is solved. Something i have always respected about asians in general (specially in japan and korea) are the honor and respect they have between them when they compete.

On November 06 2005 12:20 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Srry but isnt this paradox ? If the koreans dont understand english well they arent offended by the flames , are they ? So.. T_T

Still it wasnt a good thing by Strafe to flame.. but ok.. flaming is one thing .. acc sharing in a league with money involved is another ..

i dont see any other way.. but ok.. we will see what will happen..

On November 06 2005 12:22 k3fka wrote:
a good solution , let jang play who he was supposed to play , everyone who trashtalked apologize everything is solved. Something i have always respected about asians in general (specially in japan and korea) are the honor and respect they have between them when they compete. Also take into account that rules from an official tourney should be reachable to all the players involved in the tournament. Koreans speak koreans and they arent supposed to know english. Rules apply to everybody involved in an event , and shall they be reachable to all of them

On November 06 2005 12:26 FlowerGirl wrote:


I just have to say something after seeing this, my god.

I am absolutely disgusted by these screenshots.


Fuck you strafe, and Grow some fucking manner Mondragon.


In my world, racism is a worse crime than someone playing under someone's account in a fuckign video game.

Ban these fucking Nazi's.

On November 06 2005 12:24 iD.MidiaN wrote:
Why should jang play? He apparently "couldn't" play at the designated time, the correct thing to do was use a wildcard. I don't see why they should be rewarded with a rescheduled game considering what they actually did

On November 06 2005 12:26 SwedishHero wrote:


you are right. they are different things. but not in the way you mean they are

On November 06 2005 12:26 FlowerGirl wrote:


I just have to say something after seeing this, my god.

I am absolutely disgusted by these screenshots.


Fuck you strafe, and Grow some fucking manner Mondragon.


In my world, racism is a worse crime than someone playing under someone's account in a fuckign video game.

Ban these fucking Nazi's.

On November 06 2005 12:31 k3fka wrote:


lol magik , didnt read that quote , are you fucking stupid? so according to you , trashtalking someone in a language they dont understand isnt that bad because they cant understand it? , i think racism is far worse than doing something against the rules (which is the consecuence of not knowing the rules since they dont fucking know english).

"# Players are expected to be courteous and respectful of their fellow gamers and admins. Extreme cases of bad manner will be punished with all possible severity."

On November 06 2005 12:35 Liquid`Drone wrote:
meh
giving midian the win because of the account sharing is right but banning them for the entire league sounds wrong
in that case tot should also be banned from the entire league due to the severe bad manner and racism displayed

not that I personally care, getting offended is just as much your own fault as whoever instigates you, but if you're gonna follow the rules you gotta be consistent, and considering "be manner" is a rule and some members of tot were extremely unmanner, that's not good!

swapping jang for an inferior player and then giving him a loss by default sounds like a good way to solve that problem.

On November 06 2005 12:37 Liquid`Drone wrote:


that means banning the entire team is "legally" an option for them.

On November 06 2005 12:37 Liquid`Drone wrote:


that means banning the entire team is "legally" an option for them.

On November 06 2005 12:42 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
okey. lets change the rules.. why not.. rules are there to be broken..


@ NewYorkHardCore : Get a brain ? If the rules say account sharing ~> ban , and many teams got banned for acc sharing, before why should the same not happen to oG) ? And why are there even people defending oG) for this action ? It was a fault and the rules say what has to be done..
some ToT's flaming is pretty bad manner, too . But i wouldnt ban someone for saying '' stupid kors'' .. and i remember oG ( Sea's ) saying : ToT gag clan Tot Chobo clan.. thats not nice, too.. and their way of saying '' fuck you'' in english.. so what ever..

i wont post anymore in this cause 99% here cant face the truth : objectivity : oG) has to be banned cause of rules..

On November 06 2005 12:43 Liquid`Drone wrote:
if someone is writing shit with the intention of pissing you off, if you get pissed off it's your own damn fault because the other person is only writing what he's writing because it pisses you off.

On November 06 2005 12:45 FrozenArbiter wrote:

Uh, they basically said that ToT is a joke of a clan in response to the BM -.- From what I saw personally, they didn't say anything that bad.

.

On November 06 2005 12:48 iNsaNe- wrote:
Well if compared other BW league in WGTCL if caught doubleteaming they reverse all the games the player has played in that season and ban him from WGTCL for few weeks.

On November 06 2005 12:47 FrozenArbiter wrote:

Considering how little english they speak, do they even know they are doing it just as a windup or not -_~?

On November 06 2005 12:47 Liquid`Drone wrote:
well I was actually saying that banning the entire TOT team is legally an option for them.
regarding the account sharing, I think the perfect solution is what has been done so far ; giving midian the win and then not doing anything more about it.

(note that I am not saying tot should get banned, but I think their actions were just as bad as the actions made by oG, and I'm thus saying if oG) should get banned, so should tot. I think neither should and that nothing should be done. )

On November 06 2005 12:48 SkyInTheSea wrote:
let's make it short:

ToT: I've lost all my respect for this clan because of strafe and mondragon for being racism. They were extremely bad mannered. I can't stand you people flaming Asians and calling them rice eaters. Strafe you're 100 times worse than mondi. FUCK YOU , I can't believe a known gamer like you would've done it. You're worse than a 5 years old kid.

On November 06 2005 12:48 k3fka wrote:
drone , i dont wanna sound repetitive , but what do you think about the post about rules i wrote?

On November 06 2005 12:51 Liquid`Drone wrote:


I don't know and I don't care, getting pissed off or offended because someone you've never met and have no relation to and whose opinion should mean jack fucking shit to you is "being mean" towards you over the internet for no reason whatsoever is just.. sad? =[

On November 06 2005 12:55 Liquid`Drone wrote:


my post was actually a reply to that post I just didn't realize there are 5 posts a minute in this thread so I didn't bother quoting. the language should not matter, swapping a better player with an inferior player, not really attempting to cover it up and then being given a loss in that game shouldn't require/warrant a ban of the entire team. enough was done already.

saying that the rules are only in english and the koreans are unable to understand them is just a solid arguement to make no koreans allowed, something I personally do not wish. a rule with max 2/5 games with koreans is a rule I would understand and quite possibly support though.

On November 06 2005 13:02 Liquid`Drone wrote:
fa, beating up someone because they were mean towards you on the internet is about the sadest thing I can think of. so that's not exactly a good arguement imo.

On November 06 2005 12:48 SkyInTheSea wrote:
let's make it short:

ToT: I've lost all my respect for this clan because of strafe and mondragon for being racism. They were extremely bad mannered. I can't stand you people flaming Asians and calling them rice eaters. Strafe you're 100 times worse than mondi. FUCK YOU , I can't believe a known gamer like you would've done it. You're worse than a 5 years old kid.

oG: I really feel sorry for the koreans but oG)Freezer , it's your fault. You're the one bringing koreans for your 80% lineup and it could be a reason why ToT was bm in the beginning(still unacceptable tho). You told others they were interested with the europe community with only 1 game played on their accounts? That's bullshit.

On November 06 2005 13:02 Liquid`Drone wrote:
fa, beating up someone because they were mean towards you on the internet is about the sadest thing I can think of. so that's not exactly a good arguement imo.

On November 06 2005 13:06 NewYorkHardCore wrote:
FA, who said that?

On November 06 2005 13:08 FrozenArbiter wrote:

Some korean I used to be in the same clan as ;0

On November 06 2005 13:09 FlowerGirl wrote:
Drone your opinion about trash talking online is very flawed. (Maybe in some situations your right, but in this situation definitly not)

Racism is not to be tolerated anywhere.

On November 06 2005 13:07 Liquid`Drone wrote:
well first of all strafe is probably about the tallest fucker on the forums and I'm certain he would tell any of the koreans he said something to whatever the fuck he wanted to tell him, maybe not in a 1v4 situation but still.

and trashtalking over the net is actually pretty fun because some people manage to get riled up over it. has no place in any competition though, but to those of you flaming strafe, he's most likely laughing at everything you type.

On November 06 2005 13:13 Liquid`Drone wrote:
im actually saying it has no place in competitions and that it should be just as bannable as accountsharing, especially with an inferior player.

if you wanna think that getting pissed because some fuck is trying to piss you off is the right thing to do, then go right ahead and get pissed off for no reason. it's your own loss, and your anger will only contribute towards making whoever flamed you happy and more willing to keep flaming.

On November 06 2005 12:26 FlowerGirl wrote:


I just have to say something after seeing this, my god.

I am absolutely disgusted by these screenshots.


Fuck you strafe, and Grow some fucking manner Mondragon.


In my world, racism is a worse crime than someone playing under someone's account in a fuckign video game.

Ban these fucking Nazi's.

On November 06 2005 13:24 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I agree that racism sucks but letting it piss you off doesn't stop it, it only fuels it. laughing at it (what I do every time someone tries to piss me off) /ignoring it means a) they won't bother trying to piss you off through racism because they know it doesn't work, and b) you're laughing thus being happy instead of being pissed off. (or ignoring it, which is still better than being pissed off.)

both are good, no? hence, getting pissed off because of what someone tells you on the internet (unless it is a person whose opinion you value (and if you value the opinion of a random guy whom the only thing you have seen of is racist flaming, you really need to rethink your life), in which case it is similar to "real life") is the wrong thing to do.

On November 06 2005 13:26 only)a-game wrote:
drone i think defending racism in any form is as bad as being a racist yourself

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