I don't think ToT) cares about its image because if it did they wouldn't be joking about kicking Strafe. They wouldn't recruit infamous hackers. They wouldn't ban people from their channel for beating them in a clanwar, etc.

ReF.

Germany2 Posts

November 06 2005 07:06 GMT

#343

RiSe's pic gets the point. Some of you guys takes his whole story definitely too serious and dont come along with "BUT THIS IS REALY MONEY, 200$ FOR THE WHOLE TEAM, YEEEHA". I was idling in the channel and it was very entertaining

@ twisted: and that someone took ur newsflash seriously shows that those 95% werent enough

imo oG) should get penalty points and teh win for midian.

hilarious tho

vGl-CoW

Belgium8305 Posts

November 06 2005 07:06 GMT

#344

I can't believe it took 15 pages for someone to post that The Internet is Serious Business pic, I was beginning to worry I'd have to go look for the link myself to post it. Whew, that was close. Thanks RiSe.

a-game

Canada5085 Posts

November 06 2005 07:11 GMT

#345

ah is the whole kicking strafe thing a joke? what a tease

CTStalker

Canada9720 Posts

November 06 2005 07:11 GMT

#346

not just serious, serious fucking business.

this is a video game over the internet though, so i really think it calls for an increase in the serious level.

DaZe

Sweden2111 Posts

November 06 2005 07:17 GMT

#347

On November 06 2005 16:11 only)a-game wrote:
ah is the whole kicking strafe thing a joke? what a tease

just another joke !! mohahaha

TreK

Sweden2089 Posts

November 06 2005 07:17 GMT

#348

On November 06 2005 12:58 Liquid`Drone wrote:
phil, they did get penalized. they got a loss for a game they won. why would people swap players if they know the consequence is a free win for the other team?
punishing the entire team (and in the most severe manner possible) for a misunderstanding by one player in the team and one player outside the team that had no consequences as far as the outcome of the game goes sounds way too harsh for me. possibly giving the entire clanwar win to tot would be less severe and more "just", but the dialogue from some tot members make them just as bad as far as breaking the rules goes, thus that would imo be wrong too.

So if the penatly is close to 0 , what would stop ppl from doing it again ? just like with maphacking if the punishment is 0, ppl will do it again.

Its just a lucky coincident imo that midian found out anyways, not often u find out that someone is account sharing like that.

And strafe shape up please, u didnt have to say all that...even if i know u dont care <3

ToT has never been bm to any other korean guild afaik, dont know what happened this time.

{ToT}Strafe

Thailand7026 Posts

November 06 2005 07:21 GMT

#349

this time they were 'oG'

Twisted

Netherlands13554 Posts

November 06 2005 07:22 GMT

#350

Sea. was bad mannered to us in last clanwar ;D

Liquid`Drone

Norway28553 Posts

November 06 2005 07:25 GMT

#351

im saying it's not bad enough to ban the entire team for at least. and, that considering tot also broke a rule in this cw, just ending it with neither team penalized, og wins 3-2 and jamie won 2-0 despite losing, to me seems perfectly fair.

cYaN

Norway3322 Posts

November 06 2005 07:32 GMT

#352

hmm... lotsa crap to read through for some results.
will however be interesting to see esl's reaction.

TreK

Sweden2089 Posts

November 06 2005 07:44 GMT

#353

2 wrongs dont make a right bute sure :o
What strafe did shouldnt affect the clan since he is barely in it anyways and also it didnt affect the results as clearly the account sharing did.

Not saying a ban should be in order but i wouldnt disagree if they did ban oG for it, since my opinion about this is that koreans simply shouldnt play, makes it all just so easier....just like TLT doesnt allow koreans.

Also i dont know Strafe that well, but im confident to say that he didnt mean it in the way u guys think :| But you all know that strafe is bad manner to everyone, he is not racist...its not the same thing.

And as Eri said, strafe obviously only said it to piss the koreans off ... and this is the internet so get a fucking grip , just rofl =[

DaZe

Sweden2111 Posts

November 06 2005 07:53 GMT

#354

they shouldnt take everything so serious that strafe says; and of course i think oG should be punished, dont really know how though, ban from the whole league might seem a bit harsch but as trek says, if they dont act hard against this, how can we be sure it wont happen again?

Maybe they should ban Jang and Firefist from the league since they are the one's who made the real mistake...

Dealer

Sweden1368 Posts

November 06 2005 08:02 GMT

#355

The account sharing only affected the result in a positive way for ToT (after it was correctly set to 2-0 in favour of Midian).

Personally i think it's perfectly fair to let oG keep their win, if ToT hadn't behaved as they did a 0-5 forfeit would be obvious. I'm pretty sure that Strafe acted like he did for fun, but I'm also quite sure that the koreans did not understand that. They are not used to players behaving like this, and they are not to be blamed for not understanding that he didn't mean what he said.

If playing with koreans in the clan is perfectly ok according to the rules if I've understood it right (I haven't read them, nor visited the site of the league), how come iG and oG get so much trash for doing it? They are doing it because they want to WIN. ToT did not handpick the best foreigners because of them being extremely nice, they also did it because they want a good team.

ReF.

Germany2 Posts

November 06 2005 08:11 GMT

#356

dealer is da man <3

ROOTCatZ

Peru1226 Posts

November 06 2005 08:47 GMT

#357

aside from everything, strafe made his point clear, ToT) can not be punished cuz he's not even in ESL, appart from that, Strafe, people is mostly pissed off not beacuse of bm, we see this everyday, even more when u play at east and Clan X17 but also at op ToT), the real reason people is so irritated about is because this people do not belong to our community, and its our community in general that somehow suffers the repercutions, and make us all, look bad in a way, this is just a little incident, but should not continue, I think manner in clwanrs is always important, altough its understandable ToT) people was pissed about the -cheating- wich was, much more serious then the bm in my opinion, bm was just ment to be funny, at least for strafe and ToT) after they felt releaf they wouldnt be losing due to this cheating, at least taht's what I think, about the iQ i doubt black people have 1 less iQ then white people, but it might be a possibility, genes are not the same for all, this does not mean that every white person is smarter than any black person, it just means in general, it could happen, its different races of human beings, we're all human beings but us being all the same is just bs, black people is generally better than white people in sports such as athletism, and that's a fact, same for basket ball, that's just the way it works, there's only one thing im 100% sure about, peruvians have higher iQ than any other race, I know this for a fact cuz im peruvian. GG!

revenant

Vietnam3 Posts

November 06 2005 08:49 GMT

#358

If u look at it as the victims of these abuses and racism, u would want to ban strafe from all other events of bw community. Just not acceptable. It's no joke.

{ToT}Strafe

Thailand7026 Posts

November 06 2005 08:53 GMT

#359

I dont see why its hard to believe there can be a difference between races. Its obvious genes are different. black people are more athletic than white people, that you can agree on because you can see it. But when you point out white people are smarter because they tested it you are a racist... pff come on man. Nobody is implying white people are smarter, just a small very small very very small difference.

BinGBonG[gamei]

Netherlands514 Posts

November 06 2005 08:55 GMT

#360

1 2 3 4 i need beer!