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howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 21:31:21
April 05 2012 21:29 GMT
#201
On April 06 2012 04:21 zergmacro34 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 02:02 howLiN wrote:
On April 06 2012 01:50 zergmacro34 wrote:
right away what im thinking with this is stay in bronze to pwn nubs in this team league even though im diamond skill


We will do everything to make sure that won't happen.


And how would you go about doing this honestly? I could play just above bronze but below silver to be king of the bronze.

Well, for starters I can check your account career and exclude you if you ever were above gold in any ladder season... But if you really want to "pwn some noobs" that's okay, they're still bo5 matches and at most you'd be winning a game for your team when they need 3 to win the match. I don't think a troll would be that big of a deal, if anything shows commitment from the troll in participating in a league for a minimum 7 straight weeks without trolling anyone at all. And I'm okay with that.
TLAdapt
Profile Joined April 2012
United States22 Posts
April 05 2012 21:36 GMT
#202
On April 06 2012 06:29 howLiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 04:21 zergmacro34 wrote:
On April 06 2012 02:02 howLiN wrote:
On April 06 2012 01:50 zergmacro34 wrote:
right away what im thinking with this is stay in bronze to pwn nubs in this team league even though im diamond skill


We will do everything to make sure that won't happen.


And how would you go about doing this honestly? I could play just above bronze but below silver to be king of the bronze.

Well, for starters I can check your account career and exclude you if you ever were above gold in any ladder season... But if you really want to "pwn some noobs" that's okay, they're still bo5 matches and at most you'd be winning a game for your team when they need 3 to win the match. I don't think a troll would be that big of a deal, if anything shows commitment from the troll in participating in a league for a minimum 7 straight weeks without trolling anyone at all. And I'm okay with that.



I was a Diamond Terran EIGHT months ago. I quit for seven months, and came back playing Zerg. I'm a gold Zerg now, but I am strictly a gold zerg if you look at my match history, so I don't think checking careers should be the only thing to exclude the dishonest people..
Learn to Adapt to Your Situation.
Dasende
Profile Joined August 2010
United States864 Posts
April 05 2012 21:38 GMT
#203
On April 06 2012 06:36 TLAdapt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 06:29 howLiN wrote:
On April 06 2012 04:21 zergmacro34 wrote:
On April 06 2012 02:02 howLiN wrote:
On April 06 2012 01:50 zergmacro34 wrote:
right away what im thinking with this is stay in bronze to pwn nubs in this team league even though im diamond skill


We will do everything to make sure that won't happen.


And how would you go about doing this honestly? I could play just above bronze but below silver to be king of the bronze.

Well, for starters I can check your account career and exclude you if you ever were above gold in any ladder season... But if you really want to "pwn some noobs" that's okay, they're still bo5 matches and at most you'd be winning a game for your team when they need 3 to win the match. I don't think a troll would be that big of a deal, if anything shows commitment from the troll in participating in a league for a minimum 7 straight weeks without trolling anyone at all. And I'm okay with that.



I was a Diamond Terran EIGHT months ago. I quit for seven months, and came back playing Zerg. I'm a gold Zerg now, but I am strictly a gold zerg if you look at my match history, so I don't think checking careers should be the only thing to exclude the dishonest people..


Agreed on that, I was in Platinum 2 seasons ago myself. But I redid placement matches and played 5 bronzies in a row so I went 5-0
[SC2: Dasende.347] [@Dasende8702] [HS/Heroes: Dasende#1376] Founder of ChoboTeamLeague
howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
April 05 2012 21:52 GMT
#204
On April 06 2012 06:36 TLAdapt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 06:29 howLiN wrote:
On April 06 2012 04:21 zergmacro34 wrote:
On April 06 2012 02:02 howLiN wrote:
On April 06 2012 01:50 zergmacro34 wrote:
right away what im thinking with this is stay in bronze to pwn nubs in this team league even though im diamond skill


We will do everything to make sure that won't happen.


And how would you go about doing this honestly? I could play just above bronze but below silver to be king of the bronze.

Well, for starters I can check your account career and exclude you if you ever were above gold in any ladder season... But if you really want to "pwn some noobs" that's okay, they're still bo5 matches and at most you'd be winning a game for your team when they need 3 to win the match. I don't think a troll would be that big of a deal, if anything shows commitment from the troll in participating in a league for a minimum 7 straight weeks without trolling anyone at all. And I'm okay with that.



I was a Diamond Terran EIGHT months ago. I quit for seven months, and came back playing Zerg. I'm a gold Zerg now, but I am strictly a gold zerg if you look at my match history, so I don't think checking careers should be the only thing to exclude the dishonest people..

I meant that it's kinda easy to see if a Diamond player who was always Diamond gets demoted to a lower rank in the current ladder season just to play in this league. Of course season 1 ranks don't mean that much since it was easier to be higher ranked at the beginning of the game. Either way, my point is that by having a proleague format for the team matches, it gets hard to compromise the match if a higher ranked player is playing.
CWPiRatE
Profile Joined April 2012
United States33 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 22:08:50
April 05 2012 21:52 GMT
#205
If you start to get something organized my team is ready, but since I'm the spokesperson, just PM me. My character info is below:

CWPiRatE
#425
Zerg
It's better to burn out than to fade away.
TSM
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Great Britain584 Posts
April 05 2012 22:06 GMT
#206
i enjoy watching lower level players to see what they are doing wrong so i can relate to them.
The person to smile when everything goes wrong has found someone to blame it on - arthur bloch **** tl:dr *user was banned for this post*
zergmacro34
Profile Joined March 2012
59 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 22:33:05
April 05 2012 22:30 GMT
#207
On April 06 2012 06:04 zefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 05:28 zergmacro34 wrote:
On April 06 2012 05:19 Skorbnut wrote:
On April 06 2012 05:17 zergmacro34 wrote:
To pwn noobs? To be an asshat? There are people out there that think like me. Just watch out, one of the bronze players on this application thread might be me :D

I'm completely fine playing against people better than me. There's no incentive for me to care a ton about winning, other than to be credit to team. So troll all you want, not gonna matter too much.


Are you in bronze?

On April 06 2012 05:27 WarEagle wrote:
You also have to think about the fact that you will be on a team, practicing with them and such. Surely they would figure it out and kick you from the team, or at the very least not let you on the roster for the league.


Actually i could still pretend through that.

"Whats a 10 pool?"
"Just build stuff"
"O well, its about having fun :D"
"O crap my base is mined out time to expand"

You know what people do in hardcore d2? They make friends with people for like 2 months then stab each other in the back. I don't do that I've just heard stories.


I actually think there are far fewer assholes like yourself than you imagine. Whatever, have fun trolling because 0 people will care.


LOL hopefully you are right. Could you at least come up with a good account name for me to sign up with? :D

On April 06 2012 06:29 howLiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 04:21 zergmacro34 wrote:
On April 06 2012 02:02 howLiN wrote:
On April 06 2012 01:50 zergmacro34 wrote:
right away what im thinking with this is stay in bronze to pwn nubs in this team league even though im diamond skill


We will do everything to make sure that won't happen.


And how would you go about doing this honestly? I could play just above bronze but below silver to be king of the bronze.

Well, for starters I can check your account career and exclude you if you ever were above gold in any ladder season... But if you really want to "pwn some noobs" that's okay, they're still bo5 matches and at most you'd be winning a game for your team when they need 3 to win the match. I don't think a troll would be that big of a deal, if anything shows commitment from the troll in participating in a league for a minimum 7 straight weeks without trolling anyone at all. And I'm okay with that.


Hmm that is a fairly resilient system yes hmm. How about me and my friends all go down to bronze and do it up?

On April 06 2012 06:38 Dasende wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 06:36 TLAdapt wrote:
On April 06 2012 06:29 howLiN wrote:
On April 06 2012 04:21 zergmacro34 wrote:
On April 06 2012 02:02 howLiN wrote:
On April 06 2012 01:50 zergmacro34 wrote:
right away what im thinking with this is stay in bronze to pwn nubs in this team league even though im diamond skill


We will do everything to make sure that won't happen.


And how would you go about doing this honestly? I could play just above bronze but below silver to be king of the bronze.

Well, for starters I can check your account career and exclude you if you ever were above gold in any ladder season... But if you really want to "pwn some noobs" that's okay, they're still bo5 matches and at most you'd be winning a game for your team when they need 3 to win the match. I don't think a troll would be that big of a deal, if anything shows commitment from the troll in participating in a league for a minimum 7 straight weeks without trolling anyone at all. And I'm okay with that.



I was a Diamond Terran EIGHT months ago. I quit for seven months, and came back playing Zerg. I'm a gold Zerg now, but I am strictly a gold zerg if you look at my match history, so I don't think checking careers should be the only thing to exclude the dishonest people..


Agreed on that, I was in Platinum 2 seasons ago myself. But I redid placement matches and played 5 bronzies in a row so I went 5-0


and you dont want to alienate the REAL bronze players o.o

hmm what to do :D



Zvenn3n
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Sweden1196 Posts
April 05 2012 22:33 GMT
#208
I voted all-kill format, but after reading this, I think that a pro-league format would be beast, to avoid any smurfing.
Anyways, I'd be interested, I do lack a team though. If anyone wants me on their team for this team league,, hit me up! I play on EU, btw.

OckE
#506
Gold
Protoss
zergmacro34
Profile Joined March 2012
59 Posts
April 05 2012 22:42 GMT
#209
On April 06 2012 07:33 Zvenn3n wrote:
I voted all-kill format, but after reading this, I think that a pro-league format would be beast, to avoid any smurfing.
Anyways, I'd be interested, I do lack a team though. If anyone wants me on their team for this team league,, hit me up! I play on EU, btw.

OckE
#506
Gold
Protoss


whats wrong with all-kill Zvenn3n :D
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
April 05 2012 22:42 GMT
#210
Sounds like fun, count me in!

EU
Atoissen.927
Gold
Toss
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
Ksquared
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1748 Posts
April 05 2012 22:43 GMT
#211
Do you guys have an ETA on when this will start?
eSports for life.
Dasende
Profile Joined August 2010
United States864 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 22:53:23
April 05 2012 22:50 GMT
#212
On April 06 2012 07:30 zergmacro34 wrote:

and you dont want to alienate the REAL bronze players o.o

hmm what to do :D




How would me 5-0 my placement matches (whom where all bronze) be alienating to them? I'm in a different league (Gold) than them so I wouldn't ever play them in this league.

On April 06 2012 07:43 Ksquared wrote:
Do you guys have an ETA on when this will start?


We don't have an exact date right now, but after the teams are finalized, a few days after that it will most likely start barring unforseen issues.
[SC2: Dasende.347] [@Dasende8702] [HS/Heroes: Dasende#1376] Founder of ChoboTeamLeague
zergmacro34
Profile Joined March 2012
59 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 22:52:44
April 05 2012 22:52 GMT
#213
On April 06 2012 07:50 Dasende wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 07:30 zergmacro34 wrote:

and you dont want to alienate the REAL bronze players o.o

hmm what to do :D




How would me 5-0 my placement matches (whom where all bronze) be alienating to them? I'm in a different league (Gold) than them so I wouldn't ever play them in this league.


no your quote was meant to emphasize the problem howlin faces its not directed at u :D
MepHiii
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland191 Posts
April 05 2012 22:52 GMT
#214
i see a lot of EU players signing up, maybe it will happen after all?
Dasende
Profile Joined August 2010
United States864 Posts
April 05 2012 22:57 GMT
#215
On April 06 2012 07:52 MepHiii wrote:
i see a lot of EU players signing up, maybe it will happen after all?


No Bronze players as of yet though, unless EU division decides to change their league to fit this, but can always hope for an influx of players!
[SC2: Dasende.347] [@Dasende8702] [HS/Heroes: Dasende#1376] Founder of ChoboTeamLeague
Zvenn3n
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Sweden1196 Posts
April 05 2012 22:57 GMT
#216
On April 06 2012 07:42 zergmacro34 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 07:33 Zvenn3n wrote:
I voted all-kill format, but after reading this, I think that a pro-league format would be beast, to avoid any smurfing.
Anyways, I'd be interested, I do lack a team though. If anyone wants me on their team for this team league,, hit me up! I play on EU, btw.

OckE
#506
Gold
Protoss


whats wrong with all-kill Zvenn3n :D


Nothing wrong with it, but if, say, a masters players used a smurf bronze account, he'd trash the competition, and that wouldn't be fair now, would it?

OT: Will we look at casting these games? If so, I'd love to be a caster, though I'd have to not stream, due to my internet being bad =/
(What I'm trying to say is that if we get like someone to stream and maybe cast, I'd be more than willing to cast with him)
trumpetarn
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden32 Posts
April 05 2012 22:59 GMT
#217
This would be really nice, i'd be happy to play dont have a team though

Trumpetarn 169
Bronze
Eu
Dasende
Profile Joined August 2010
United States864 Posts
April 05 2012 23:01 GMT
#218
On April 06 2012 07:59 trumpetarn wrote:
This would be really nice, i'd be happy to play dont have a team though

Trumpetarn 169
Bronze
Eu


sc2ranks says you're Terran so I placed you in the respective column. If it's wrong let me know
[SC2: Dasende.347] [@Dasende8702] [HS/Heroes: Dasende#1376] Founder of ChoboTeamLeague
Dasende
Profile Joined August 2010
United States864 Posts
April 05 2012 23:03 GMT
#219
On April 06 2012 07:57 Zvenn3n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 07:42 zergmacro34 wrote:
On April 06 2012 07:33 Zvenn3n wrote:
I voted all-kill format, but after reading this, I think that a pro-league format would be beast, to avoid any smurfing.
Anyways, I'd be interested, I do lack a team though. If anyone wants me on their team for this team league,, hit me up! I play on EU, btw.

OckE
#506
Gold
Protoss


whats wrong with all-kill Zvenn3n :D


Nothing wrong with it, but if, say, a masters players used a smurf bronze account, he'd trash the competition, and that wouldn't be fair now, would it?

OT: Will we look at casting these games? If so, I'd love to be a caster, though I'd have to not stream, due to my internet being bad =/
(What I'm trying to say is that if we get like someone to stream and maybe cast, I'd be more than willing to cast with him)


It will be the pro-league format, that is decided already.

Obviously we would like it if someone would want to cast certain games, as this is the first season it isn't that large of a priority. If we do push for it later, it will probably be around when the playoffs take place.
[SC2: Dasende.347] [@Dasende8702] [HS/Heroes: Dasende#1376] Founder of ChoboTeamLeague
Zvenn3n
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Sweden1196 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 23:13:07
April 05 2012 23:11 GMT
#220
On April 06 2012 08:03 Dasende wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 07:57 Zvenn3n wrote:
On April 06 2012 07:42 zergmacro34 wrote:
On April 06 2012 07:33 Zvenn3n wrote:
I voted all-kill format, but after reading this, I think that a pro-league format would be beast, to avoid any smurfing.
Anyways, I'd be interested, I do lack a team though. If anyone wants me on their team for this team league,, hit me up! I play on EU, btw.

OckE
#506
Gold
Protoss


whats wrong with all-kill Zvenn3n :D


Nothing wrong with it, but if, say, a masters players used a smurf bronze account, he'd trash the competition, and that wouldn't be fair now, would it?

OT: Will we look at casting these games? If so, I'd love to be a caster, though I'd have to not stream, due to my internet being bad =/
(What I'm trying to say is that if we get like someone to stream and maybe cast, I'd be more than willing to cast with him)


It will be the pro-league format, that is decided already.

Obviously we would like it if someone would want to cast certain games, as this is the first season it isn't that large of a priority. If we do push for it later, it will probably be around when the playoffs take place.


Cool, it sounds awesome! I love when there are tournaments for "normal" players, like the playhem daily, and SCV rush among other things
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