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Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (North)665 Posts
February 23 2012 13:14 GMT
#1
Spoilers on 11-12 SPL [2012.2.22] SK Telecom T1 vs Woongjin Stars ahead.
If you haven't seen the games yet and don't want to be spoiled, please leave now.






For the rest of us, this is an attempt to provide a comprehensive explanation on one particular match. We all know Bisu's 1001% record on PvZ. He owns that matchup. No zerg can even dare look him in the eye. Yet we experienced an unusual and sad event that day. Bisu lost vs zerg. Here, I will thoroughly analyze the tactical, strategic, and holistic conditions and considerations on why a zerg won vs Bisu that day.

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Reason: Bisu was sick. My god he might even have been suffering from pneumonia. Poor Bisu being sent out despite of poor health. Yet he doesn't complain about it in interviews or anywhere else. And his presence energized the team to victory.

SK Telecom T1 will be the champion!
Modesty00
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria262 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 13:19:38
February 23 2012 13:16 GMT
#2
C'mon every progamer in top 10 ranklist can beat everybody...
Example Modesty was so close beating flash... and he is even rank 30..
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Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
February 23 2012 13:18 GMT
#3
He's coughing so hard the gif is shaking!
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 13:20:51
February 23 2012 13:19 GMT
#4
I can't believe skt1 fan's are crumbling down now because of bisu losing to a ling run by .It happen's there's nothing much to discuss . Flash losing to ssak and classic ? Who would have thought that it was even possible after all Flash has like 70% win rate in tvt .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
February 23 2012 13:22 GMT
#5
chill, this is an obvious troll attempt :o
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bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
February 23 2012 13:23 GMT
#6
very *cough*deep*cough* analysis
Stork[gm]
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
February 23 2012 13:23 GMT
#7
Or SK had a little word with Mondy...
S2Glow
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Singapore1042 Posts
February 23 2012 13:25 GMT
#8
lol , okay we shall see if skt will be the champion , cough cough
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shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
February 23 2012 13:25 GMT
#9
woooo LOLOLOLOLOL

Yeah ....

Seriously though. That was an awesome build by SK. If the ling rush had failed, he could still have added a few drones to do a hydra bust and seeing as to how close that 1st expo to Bisu's nat, it would still be very doable. ^_^
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
February 23 2012 13:28 GMT
#10
Why he lost? Bad wall/choke (pylon should have been in-line with the forge and gateway), leading to a wide open choke. That, coupled with only building 1 cannon, and no hold position probes.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
February 23 2012 13:30 GMT
#11
let me guess...you're a bisu fan
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
February 23 2012 13:30 GMT
#12
On February 23 2012 22:28 moopie wrote:
Why he lost? Bad wall/choke (pylon should have been in-line with the forge and gateway), leading to a wide open choke. That, coupled with only building 1 cannon, and no hold position probes.


He had 0 knowledge of the near hatch. You can't blame him for acting on the limited intel he got from his scouting probe.
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
Nich
Profile Joined April 2010
397 Posts
February 23 2012 13:31 GMT
#13
he choked
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 13:33:43
February 23 2012 13:31 GMT
#14
On February 23 2012 22:30 shaftofpleasure wrote:
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On February 23 2012 22:28 moopie wrote:
Why he lost? Bad wall/choke (pylon should have been in-line with the forge and gateway), leading to a wide open choke. That, coupled with only building 1 cannon, and no hold position probes.


He had 0 knowledge of the near hatch. You can't blame him for acting on the limited intel he got from his scouting probe.

I can blame him for that stupid wall. The in-line pylon is standard for Ground Zero PvZ.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
February 23 2012 13:33 GMT
#15
When I saw this title I freaked and thought I missed a KT match.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51502 Posts
February 23 2012 13:34 GMT
#16
this explains everything....:/
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fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
February 23 2012 13:35 GMT
#17
I thought it was Flash and panicked.... I can't miss the day Flash loses!
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
February 23 2012 13:41 GMT
#18
Well this explains why I lose all my games...
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SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13088 Posts
February 23 2012 13:44 GMT
#19
This explains why i hate Bisu and SKT1 .
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
February 23 2012 13:45 GMT
#20
Hahaha...that was pretty funny.

But seriously...wtf's been with Bisu lately? o.O
Hello
JMave
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Singapore1806 Posts
February 23 2012 13:48 GMT
#21
i dont know but his probe was around to see that the pool was planted way way after the second overlord and the natural had no hatchery for a long time. surely he must have suspected something was up right..
火心 Jealous. I always loved that feeling when I was young. Embrace it.
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 13:50:04
February 23 2012 13:48 GMT
#22
On February 23 2012 22:45 PH wrote:
Hahaha...that was pretty funny.

But seriously...wtf's been with Bisu lately? o.O

I really think Bisu is afraid of losing more than he wants to win.
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
0kz
Profile Joined January 2010
Italy1118 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 13:54:40
February 23 2012 13:53 GMT
#23
dude what did you do I thot it was Flash D: !!
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
February 23 2012 13:54 GMT
#24
.... plz don't whine.......
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
therockmanxx
Profile Joined July 2010
Peru1174 Posts
February 23 2012 14:20 GMT
#25
Worst gif Eva !! haha
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ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
February 23 2012 14:24 GMT
#26
I wonder why there are so many people who dislike bisu fans.
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
February 23 2012 14:37 GMT
#27
i thought it was about flash, too. then i saw skt vs woongjin. whew..
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
February 23 2012 14:50 GMT
#28
Sort of funny but mostly meh

Bisu like a lot of protoss simply take a lot of risk early game. He left Soulkey's base without scouting the lair but plenty of gas mined already. He simply assumed lair at the other hatch rather than potential ling speed. Horrible guess on his part.
Meh
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66365 Posts
February 23 2012 15:13 GMT
#29
On February 23 2012 22:31 Nich wrote:
he choked

literally
POGGERS
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
February 23 2012 16:15 GMT
#30
It's amazing how people react to a funny post like this.
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 16:30:23
February 23 2012 16:20 GMT
#31
He should have put this face on when it happened.

[image loading]

It happens to everyone once in a while...

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Brood War forever!
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
February 23 2012 16:33 GMT
#32
lol, ppl read the thread title and the player name and post absurd comments without even opening the spoiler or reading the rest.
yes, i am looking at you, Modesty00 and Sawamura! Be ashamed!
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
Sayle
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom3685 Posts
February 23 2012 16:39 GMT
#33
I totally called this in my cast too. "Bisu will use this as an excuse in case he loses."
imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1377 Posts
February 23 2012 17:05 GMT
#34
good thread. Bisu DOESNT lose pvz, so this HAS to be the reason.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 23 2012 17:10 GMT
#35
i thought flash lost
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Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
February 23 2012 17:13 GMT
#36
Hahahaha are we gonna start again? :D
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
February 23 2012 17:15 GMT
#37
hahahah nice one
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CrayonPopChoa
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada761 Posts
February 23 2012 17:21 GMT
#38
Why are people assuming it is Flash..TLPD could have a Loss listed for Flash and I would still give him the benefit of the doubt and assume someone messed up the entry.
BW4LIFE
primebeef
Profile Joined October 2010
United States140 Posts
February 23 2012 17:23 GMT
#39
On February 24 2012 02:10 oneofthem wrote:
i thought flash lost


lol Flash was the only top 10 person that I didn't think of when I read the title
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
February 23 2012 17:29 GMT
#40
And that's why Bisu can't be the best player. Inferior human breathing apparatus instead of just being a fucking cyborg.
Remember Violet.
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
February 23 2012 17:52 GMT
#41
Bisu Fanboyism...
sigh...
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
jaQi
Profile Joined December 2010
1121 Posts
February 23 2012 18:07 GMT
#42
If you make a thread like this again, please add something like (Joke, Trolling, Stupid Fanboyism or something like that). So I don't waste another 2 minutes of my life.

Although I think you can make a serious thread about Bisu's current form, because he really sucks atm.
LuckyMacro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1482 Posts
February 23 2012 18:37 GMT
#43
Illuminating analysis. Great read. ahahahaa.
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
February 23 2012 18:39 GMT
#44
LOL, i was expecting something super long to read, and made sure i set aside time, then I clicked the spoiler.
laughed out loud at work.
I now have autographs of both BoxeR and NaDa. I can die happy. Lim Yo Hwan and Lee Yun Yeol FIGHTING forever!
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19386 Posts
February 23 2012 19:46 GMT
#45
Confirmed!
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Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2013 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 19:51:28
February 23 2012 19:51 GMT
#46
Who is this Bisu guy you talking about?

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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
February 23 2012 19:57 GMT
#47
sweet delicious bisu tears. gj soulkey!
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
February 23 2012 21:34 GMT
#48
shit thread
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