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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7684 Posts
November 15 2015 22:12 GMT
#7581
Why do articles about fashion make you want to bang your face into a wall?
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
November 15 2015 22:40 GMT
#7582
op eds about culture are so inane and pretentious

what's worse that the author of this article tries to twist multiple fashion trends into some kind of commentary or case study on the emasculating effects it has on modern pop culture and the overall masculine identity, then tries to tie it all together with the whole 'people dress how they like!' mantra

maybe i'm just not cut out for liberal arts


anyone know if black lapel is good for mtm?
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7684 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-15 23:21:45
November 15 2015 23:15 GMT
#7583
I didn't notice the author indicating that the fashion trends he was talking about had "emasculating effects." He seemed to be drawing a distinction between the sterile, blue-collar masculine aesthetic of the last century in contrast to new trends, or perhaps making a connection between that aesthetic and the restraint it enforces on fashion still today.

But I think it's funny that you think an article about fashion is more pretentious than actually wearing $10k worth of clothes on a Wednesday.
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
November 15 2015 23:31 GMT
#7584
I find it ironic that you guys are talking about pretentiousness. I guess it's only pretentiousness when you feel it is affecting your perception of masculinity.
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
November 15 2015 23:39 GMT
#7585
On November 16 2015 06:52 andyrau wrote:
articles about fashion

have we reached peak menswear
© Current year.
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
November 16 2015 00:27 GMT
#7586
On November 16 2015 08:15 IgnE wrote:
I didn't notice the author indicating that the fashion trends he was talking about had "emasculating effects." He seemed to be drawing a distinction between the sterile, blue-collar masculine aesthetic of the last century in contrast to new trends, or perhaps making a connection between that aesthetic and the restraint it enforces on fashion still today.

But I think it's funny that you think an article about fashion is more pretentious than actually wearing $10k worth of clothes on a Wednesday.

?
the article title is literally a play on it's raining men
he's obv drawing a distinction but indicates & implies that the influence of heterogeneous & homosexual culture is slowly dissolving the rigidity of the traditional white male (think the author calls it hegemonic masculine men or something)

idk deconstructing culture in this manner is irking for me
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7684 Posts
November 16 2015 01:00 GMT
#7587
Do you think heterogeneous and homosexual culture is not having an effect on the fashion of the traditional white male?
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Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
November 16 2015 01:01 GMT
#7588
Regardless of the stronger components of the article its certainly true that men's fashion and androgynous aesthetics are popular these days in more than just high-fashion. If not mainstream america, at least
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
November 16 2015 01:53 GMT
#7589
the only thing i got from the article is the dude wanted to namedrop like mad
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
November 16 2015 04:46 GMT
#7590
On November 16 2015 10:00 IgnE wrote:
Do you think heterogeneous and homosexual culture is not having an effect on the fashion of the traditional white male?

thats a bad question, the answer's far more multi-faceted
i'm not saying the author's wrong wrong, but singlehandedly attributing the shifts in styles to a subculture and a change in demographics is pretty dumb. pop culture isn't something where u can definitively say A + B = C when C + A = B could also very well be true. sometimes the cause is also part of the effect, if that makes any sense.

see why this is pretentious
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-16 12:25:18
November 16 2015 10:31 GMT
#7591
lot of things wrong with the article but it's cool to see internet fashion get props in a major cultural criticism periodical. The author tried to throw some good ol' race and gender in there but nothing really stuck. Dressing simpler or in a more understated manner is apparently a "class-centric project" that brings down social hierarchies, instead of just you know, cuz Uniqlos are everywhere. Mixing cultural influences is suddenly post-racial, not sure how race is involved at all. Whether it's from the books the author reviews or from himself, the article is weirdly fixated on the notion of dressing "like a man." The people who looked up to cary grant or whoever still exist en masse as subscribers of GQ and worshippers of Ryan Gosling. They make up the dominant demographic of "fashionable" men despite the large variety of niche fashion forums, which are mostly dead and have probably 1/100000000 the amount of subscribers as the male lifestyle magazines. The article weirdly ties those forums together with the GQ #menswear types like they're all part of internet fashion or something.

I cringed at this:


This puts into relief one of #menswear’s central innovations: dressed-down clothes executed luxuriously—like an artfully distressed Japanese chambray work shirt—which assert a classless identity that is, conveniently, also a signifier of class. Skeptics will say that menswear merely created a new way for rich people to dress. A more charitable view holds that menswear has undermined the outmoded class hierarchy of men’s fashion, which forced men either to dress like “the man” or to stick it to him, sartorially speaking.


In both its appearance and philosophy, workwear is the most socioeconomically indicative type of casual menswear there is, it's basically clothes for and made to look like it's for blue collar workers. But the article, and the book it quotes is actually talking about dressing down as in business casual:


Hegemonically masculine men, meanwhile, don’t look kindly upon those who relinquish the privilege of unfashionableness: come into work wearing a too-cool shirt, and your unhip coworkers will shame you. In those environments, the #menswear uniform—short blazer, trim shirt, skinny jeans, double-monks, no socks—would be completely beyond the pale.


which is not the same as just workwear. Doesn't matter how much workwear you sneak into a business casual #menswear outfit, there's no way to execute business casual "luxuriously" and at the same time "assert a classless identity" cuz by nature, casually dressing in a different version of formal dress means you either don't know how to dress or wanna appear proper and successful, meaning you're unable to think about clothes separately from social class. The irony is actually dressing in ways that internet fashion purports to appear or be class neutral, like in hobo clothes, is 10x more expensive than any business casual outfit you can put together.

Even though it's hard to write about fashion and most of the stuff comes off as nonsense, it's more annoying to read an article about fashion and its culture that either disregards or completely screw up the aesthetics, and instead be too busy summarizing politics and attributing some hidden meaning to it all.
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-16 22:13:37
November 16 2015 22:13 GMT
#7592
On November 16 2015 19:31 zulu_nation8 wrote:
lot of things wrong with the article but it's cool to see internet fashion get props in a major cultural criticism periodical.

...

Even though it's hard to write about fashion and most of the stuff comes off as nonsense, it's more annoying to read an article about fashion and its culture that either disregards or completely screw up the aesthetics, and instead be too busy summarizing politics and attributing some hidden meaning to it all.


Echoing this. He doesn't so much dig into the subculture itself but tries to analyze it as a whole, using frameworks that don't wholly apply. Race and Gender are big issues, but menswear isn't about those so much as the sub-communities that form around each aesthetic. It's also about people not in those subcultures/communities that are trying to navigate how to enter in (by buying, say RO and posting on SZ).

I'm biased (because I'm writing a paper/thesis about online communities and learning) but I don't agree with his approach.

His conclusion is telling:

As a man who enjoys clothes, I often find the postmodern nature of menswear frustrating. I want to dress like myself, and not like James Bond, Steve McQueen, Sartre, or some action figure I owned when I was a kid. (Of course, dressing like “oneself” raises other problems of authenticity.) From time to time, the simplicity of choosing to be hegemonically unfashionable exerts an appeal; so does the adaptable invisibility of “normcore.” Still, today’s profusion of colorful menswear is infinitely superior to the barren landscape that existed just a decade ago. Men dress better now. And menswear has made it more interesting to be a man. When I was in college, in the late nineties and early aughts, straight-white-male identity was more rigid and unreflective. It was never supposed to think about itself. That’s less true now, for a whole host of reasons, and menswear is one of them.


He's missing out on the fact that the journey of entering those sub-aesthetics IS the process of finding what "myself" looks like for a lot of people. He merely passes over it in judgment, saying he disagrees but is glad that men dress better.

He misses out on the fact that 99% of people that "dress well" are, as you guys said, GQ/magazine based, while the people who ACTUALLY have these subaesthetics are the 1% of us here in subcommunities.

I don't agree with his point that menswear is getting more complicated for the masses, and thus more far fetched. I do agree that more people are getting into it. But just because you have Kanye or Asap name dropping labels that people have formed communities around for the past however many years doesn't make menswear more risky. Even the label of "costume-like" shows a certain contempt.


as an aside though, this link in the article is dope

http://dieworkwear.com/post/132482063054/the-wardrobe-of-legends
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-16 22:19:23
November 16 2015 22:15 GMT
#7593
On November 16 2015 13:46 andyrau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 10:00 IgnE wrote:
Do you think heterogeneous and homosexual culture is not having an effect on the fashion of the traditional white male?

thats a bad question, the answer's far more multi-faceted
i'm not saying the author's wrong wrong, but singlehandedly attributing the shifts in styles to a subculture and a change in demographics is pretty dumb. pop culture isn't something where u can definitively say A + B = C when C + A = B could also very well be true. sometimes the cause is also part of the effect, if that makes any sense.

see why this is pretentious


also echoing this. the author's critique on the dissolving white male identity by homosexual factors is a poor analysis for menswear when you actually look at the sub-communities that "advance" or are super into menswear.

of course when you look at cultural magazines like GQ and compare that to "traditional" notions of how men should dress you'll see that critique at play, but the author fails to draw the distinction.

I don't know if i'd describe the article as pretentious (especially in response to all of the critique about calling an article pretentious when spending more money on clothes than the average person). but it's missing out on why exactly these communities, therefore aesthetics exist, and his analysis of its cultural impact is super limited.

for the intended audience (aka people not like us), the skew they see is that those communities/aesthetics, which are already misrepresented, are ridiculous and "costumey," though are a necessary part of advancing how well men dress. As if society should be happy men dress better (for whatever reasons, maybe in regards to that idea of a dissolving white male identity).
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
November 17 2015 01:31 GMT
#7594
i still feel like this was an excuse to namedrop everyone from rick to sartre. you know an article is bad when it relies way too heavily on proper nouns. felt really empty to me tbh

also, tfw my testicles don't fit in PNS
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21248 Posts
November 17 2015 02:03 GMT
#7595
Read that as penis. WTF does PNS stand for?
TranslatorBaa!
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-17 02:13:59
November 17 2015 02:12 GMT
#7596
APC petit new standards

Tried on qasas for like a minute before realizing I should not have sized down cuz the soles are really narrow, length is fine. Selling them with my IISE daypack that's too small.

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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
November 17 2015 02:12 GMT
#7597
petite new standard

also that was intentional
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Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
November 17 2015 02:31 GMT
#7598
i really really need to get the hole in my PS repaired, i miss them :[
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-20 21:22:54
November 20 2015 21:22 GMT
#7599
JJVE black cardigan preorder came through after 9 months cuz apparently he couldn't find high quality yak lol. Selling my X8 to pay for half of it and cuz it bunches up too much at the bottom. So many schneider knits look good but are hard to wear practically.
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
November 21 2015 18:33 GMT
#7600
TBH I thought your fit pic with it looked pretty solid, even to the point where I would definitely wear it.

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