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United States22883 Posts
On January 22 2012 02:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 02:20 Jibba wrote:On January 22 2012 02:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 22 2012 02:06 Jibba wrote:On January 22 2012 01:53 Djzapz wrote:On January 22 2012 01:52 jj33 wrote:On January 21 2012 21:35 Euronyme wrote:
Americans envy the French in every way possible, the English have them as rivals.
There are also some irritation left as the French practically didn't fight in WW2, even though they practically caused it. I'm American, what do we envy about the French? Genuine question here, I don't know anybody here in the states who gives a damn about the French much less envy them. Presumably, a lot of people are like you and they don't know anything, then they post about it. Why don't you envy anyone else? Because you haven't bothered to educate yourself about countries which aren't your own. Edit: And you probably don't know all that much about the US either, in all likelihood. I think your attack is a bit premature. It's a pretty genuine question, and I've never heard anyone say they envy the French, except for cuisine and art museums. o.o As a Canadian, do you envy the French? Are you serious? French culture, literature, music, extraordinary amount of world class philosophers, thinkers, revolutionary spirit, fabulous buildings and architecture, highly educated population, rich traditions, world-famous art de vivre, fantastic transports, unique social system etc etc etc... I don't say anybody should envy anybody. I admire a lot of countries, and I still think France is in many aspects an extraordinary place. There's a difference between extraordinary things and enviable things. Everyone across the world has access to French musicians, artists, philosophers, etc. therefore they are not enviable. Fine. Nobody should envy anybody. We agree. I don't really see anyway, according to what you say, what could ever be enviable in a country. Anyway, it doesn't make people's prejudices and ignorance better. There's reason to envy countries, but envy is a function of desire and availability. Most parts of most countries have been globalized, so availability is no longer an issue.
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United States22883 Posts
On January 22 2012 02:24 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 02:20 Jibba wrote:On January 22 2012 02:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 22 2012 02:06 Jibba wrote:On January 22 2012 01:53 Djzapz wrote:On January 22 2012 01:52 jj33 wrote:On January 21 2012 21:35 Euronyme wrote:
Americans envy the French in every way possible, the English have them as rivals.
There are also some irritation left as the French practically didn't fight in WW2, even though they practically caused it. I'm American, what do we envy about the French? Genuine question here, I don't know anybody here in the states who gives a damn about the French much less envy them. Presumably, a lot of people are like you and they don't know anything, then they post about it. Why don't you envy anyone else? Because you haven't bothered to educate yourself about countries which aren't your own. Edit: And you probably don't know all that much about the US either, in all likelihood. I think your attack is a bit premature. It's a pretty genuine question, and I've never heard anyone say they envy the French, except for cuisine and art museums. o.o As a Canadian, do you envy the French? Are you serious? French culture, literature, music, extraordinary amount of world class philosophers, thinkers, revolutionary spirit, fabulous buildings and architecture, highly educated population, rich traditions, world-famous art de vivre, fantastic transports, unique social system etc etc etc... I don't say anybody should envy anybody. I admire a lot of countries, and I still think France is in many aspects an extraordinary place. There's a difference between extraordinary things and enviable things. Everyone across the world has access to French musicians, artists, philosophers, etc. therefore they are not enviable. I don't know, I went to the Louvre and I didn't have access to that here in Canada. I had access to wine, food and cute ladies with their adorable accent (or lack thereof, they would say) - who btw do shave their armpits. I had access to the Eiffel tower which I climbed on foot because I'm insane. I went to the Champs-Élysées, saw the Arc de Triomphe... Pictures of art and monuments has nothing to do with being there and interacting with the people and the environment. Wow, and it's almost as if I said France's art museums are enviable in my original post!
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On January 22 2012 02:24 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 02:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 22 2012 02:20 Jibba wrote:On January 22 2012 02:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 22 2012 02:06 Jibba wrote:On January 22 2012 01:53 Djzapz wrote:On January 22 2012 01:52 jj33 wrote:On January 21 2012 21:35 Euronyme wrote:
Americans envy the French in every way possible, the English have them as rivals.
There are also some irritation left as the French practically didn't fight in WW2, even though they practically caused it. I'm American, what do we envy about the French? Genuine question here, I don't know anybody here in the states who gives a damn about the French much less envy them. Presumably, a lot of people are like you and they don't know anything, then they post about it. Why don't you envy anyone else? Because you haven't bothered to educate yourself about countries which aren't your own. Edit: And you probably don't know all that much about the US either, in all likelihood. I think your attack is a bit premature. It's a pretty genuine question, and I've never heard anyone say they envy the French, except for cuisine and art museums. o.o As a Canadian, do you envy the French? Are you serious? French culture, literature, music, extraordinary amount of world class philosophers, thinkers, revolutionary spirit, fabulous buildings and architecture, highly educated population, rich traditions, world-famous art de vivre, fantastic transports, unique social system etc etc etc... I don't say anybody should envy anybody. I admire a lot of countries, and I still think France is in many aspects an extraordinary place. There's a difference between extraordinary things and enviable things. Everyone across the world has access to French musicians, artists, philosophers, etc. therefore they are not enviable. Fine. Nobody should envy anybody. We agree. I don't really see anyway, according to what you say, what could ever be enviable in a country. Anyway, it doesn't make people's prejudices and ignorance better. There's reason to envy countries, but envy is a function of desire and availability. Most parts of most countries have been globalized, so availability is no longer an issue.
Look, in the way that it was brought forward, the word "envy" can be replaced with the word "want" or something. The negative connotation is unimportant because it's a human problem. The fact that nobody should envy anybody is irrelevant - the fact is that they inevitably be envious provided that there are things they want.
On January 22 2012 02:26 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 02:24 Djzapz wrote:On January 22 2012 02:20 Jibba wrote:On January 22 2012 02:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 22 2012 02:06 Jibba wrote:On January 22 2012 01:53 Djzapz wrote:On January 22 2012 01:52 jj33 wrote:On January 21 2012 21:35 Euronyme wrote:
Americans envy the French in every way possible, the English have them as rivals.
There are also some irritation left as the French practically didn't fight in WW2, even though they practically caused it. I'm American, what do we envy about the French? Genuine question here, I don't know anybody here in the states who gives a damn about the French much less envy them. Presumably, a lot of people are like you and they don't know anything, then they post about it. Why don't you envy anyone else? Because you haven't bothered to educate yourself about countries which aren't your own. Edit: And you probably don't know all that much about the US either, in all likelihood. I think your attack is a bit premature. It's a pretty genuine question, and I've never heard anyone say they envy the French, except for cuisine and art museums. o.o As a Canadian, do you envy the French? Are you serious? French culture, literature, music, extraordinary amount of world class philosophers, thinkers, revolutionary spirit, fabulous buildings and architecture, highly educated population, rich traditions, world-famous art de vivre, fantastic transports, unique social system etc etc etc... I don't say anybody should envy anybody. I admire a lot of countries, and I still think France is in many aspects an extraordinary place. There's a difference between extraordinary things and enviable things. Everyone across the world has access to French musicians, artists, philosophers, etc. therefore they are not enviable. I don't know, I went to the Louvre and I didn't have access to that here in Canada. I had access to wine, food and cute ladies with their adorable accent (or lack thereof, they would say) - who btw do shave their armpits. I had access to the Eiffel tower which I climbed on foot because I'm insane. I went to the Champs-Élysées, saw the Arc de Triomphe... Pictures of art and monuments has nothing to do with being there and interacting with the people and the environment. Wow, and it's almost as if I said France's art museums are enviable in my original post!
God, you keep doing that... I mentioned a few examples and you pick the one that you mentioned too. Yeah man just ignore everything else.
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The only bigger assholes outside of France french people are Quebec french people. I hope they leave Canada for good as they are just a bunch of whining liberal wastes of money. We're keeping Montreal though.
The reason people dislike France french people so much is because they are cowards and didn't even try to put up a fight against the Germans in WW2.
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On January 22 2012 02:27 Rabbet wrote:
The only bigger assholes outside of France french people are Quebec french people. I hope they leave Canada for good as they are just a bunch of whining liberal wastes of money. We're keeping Montreal though.
The reason people dislike France french people so much is because they are cowards and didn't even try to put up a fight against the Germans in WW2.
That's not very nice. Pretty sure you out-asshole most of us French Canadians right now.
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United States22883 Posts
On January 22 2012 02:27 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 02:24 Jibba wrote:On January 22 2012 02:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 22 2012 02:20 Jibba wrote:On January 22 2012 02:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 22 2012 02:06 Jibba wrote:On January 22 2012 01:53 Djzapz wrote:On January 22 2012 01:52 jj33 wrote:On January 21 2012 21:35 Euronyme wrote:
Americans envy the French in every way possible, the English have them as rivals.
There are also some irritation left as the French practically didn't fight in WW2, even though they practically caused it. I'm American, what do we envy about the French? Genuine question here, I don't know anybody here in the states who gives a damn about the French much less envy them. Presumably, a lot of people are like you and they don't know anything, then they post about it. Why don't you envy anyone else? Because you haven't bothered to educate yourself about countries which aren't your own. Edit: And you probably don't know all that much about the US either, in all likelihood. I think your attack is a bit premature. It's a pretty genuine question, and I've never heard anyone say they envy the French, except for cuisine and art museums. o.o As a Canadian, do you envy the French? Are you serious? French culture, literature, music, extraordinary amount of world class philosophers, thinkers, revolutionary spirit, fabulous buildings and architecture, highly educated population, rich traditions, world-famous art de vivre, fantastic transports, unique social system etc etc etc... I don't say anybody should envy anybody. I admire a lot of countries, and I still think France is in many aspects an extraordinary place. There's a difference between extraordinary things and enviable things. Everyone across the world has access to French musicians, artists, philosophers, etc. therefore they are not enviable. Fine. Nobody should envy anybody. We agree. I don't really see anyway, according to what you say, what could ever be enviable in a country. Anyway, it doesn't make people's prejudices and ignorance better. There's reason to envy countries, but envy is a function of desire and availability. Most parts of most countries have been globalized, so availability is no longer an issue. Look, in the way that it was brought forward, the word "envy" can be replaced with the word "want" or something.
Americans envy the French in every way possible
No, it really can't. In either context, it doesn't make sense.
This whole thing was started because of you jumping on a guy who questioned that original response. You're the aggressor.
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Lol @ Europeans saying what Americans think about other Europeans? Wtf?
France has had about....oh idk a few millenium to develop a strong culture, certainly a stronger culture than Americans have. I have no idea what all this about us hating French people or whatever silliness people are posting.
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On January 22 2012 02:27 Rabbet wrote:
The only bigger assholes outside of France french people are Quebec french people. I hope they leave Canada for good as they are just a bunch of whining liberal wastes of money. We're keeping Montreal though.
The reason people dislike France french people so much is because they are cowards and didn't even try to put up a fight against the Germans in WW2.
A sad statement about your historical knowledge.
And why is there so much canadian hate in this thread?
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On January 21 2012 21:33 CeroFail wrote:
They're too nationalistic, arrogant and selfish. As such, people hate them and this can be seen by how apparently, French people are the most unpopular tourists.
Are you trolling or do you seriously mean that?
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Can't we all agree that everybody bashes on every country even their own! I honestly only think America gets a little more "special" treatment because we are a global leader and have made some questionable decisions withing the last decade. But i can guarantee theres not a single country that doesn't get made fun of, hell even Switzerland gets made fun of for not doing anything.
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This thread is getting real good.
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On January 22 2012 02:30 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 02:27 Djzapz wrote:On January 22 2012 02:24 Jibba wrote:On January 22 2012 02:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 22 2012 02:20 Jibba wrote:On January 22 2012 02:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 22 2012 02:06 Jibba wrote:On January 22 2012 01:53 Djzapz wrote:On January 22 2012 01:52 jj33 wrote:On January 21 2012 21:35 Euronyme wrote:
Americans envy the French in every way possible, the English have them as rivals.
There are also some irritation left as the French practically didn't fight in WW2, even though they practically caused it. I'm American, what do we envy about the French? Genuine question here, I don't know anybody here in the states who gives a damn about the French much less envy them. Presumably, a lot of people are like you and they don't know anything, then they post about it. Why don't you envy anyone else? Because you haven't bothered to educate yourself about countries which aren't your own. Edit: And you probably don't know all that much about the US either, in all likelihood. I think your attack is a bit premature. It's a pretty genuine question, and I've never heard anyone say they envy the French, except for cuisine and art museums. o.o As a Canadian, do you envy the French? Are you serious? French culture, literature, music, extraordinary amount of world class philosophers, thinkers, revolutionary spirit, fabulous buildings and architecture, highly educated population, rich traditions, world-famous art de vivre, fantastic transports, unique social system etc etc etc... I don't say anybody should envy anybody. I admire a lot of countries, and I still think France is in many aspects an extraordinary place. There's a difference between extraordinary things and enviable things. Everyone across the world has access to French musicians, artists, philosophers, etc. therefore they are not enviable. Fine. Nobody should envy anybody. We agree. I don't really see anyway, according to what you say, what could ever be enviable in a country. Anyway, it doesn't make people's prejudices and ignorance better. There's reason to envy countries, but envy is a function of desire and availability. Most parts of most countries have been globalized, so availability is no longer an issue. Look, in the way that it was brought forward, the word "envy" can be replaced with the word "want" or something. No, it really can't. In either context, it doesn't make sense. This whole thing was started because of you jumping on a guy who questioned that original response. You're the aggressor.
-Americans envy the French in every way possible [not true]
-Americans don't envy the French in any way ever, but I know nothing about the French [not true]
-(My response) Americans can envy the French, what the hell are you talking about? [true, a little bit rude]
I didn't attack anybody who didn't at least seem like the were "attacking" France by depicting it as a wasteland with nothing that anybody could ever want.
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They were overrun/lost in ww1, ww2, algerie and vietnam. Thats where the cowardness jokes come from.
Tourists have bad experiences when the french refuse to speak english to non-french-speakers.
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Vatican City State733 Posts
On January 21 2012 21:40 hypercube wrote:
American bashing French for "surrendering" or being cowards is just pathetic. It's just that France didn't support a certain policy (that turned out to be a disaster anyway) and it was Republicans' way of getting back at them. That's some fourth grade shit right there.
You do realize that, with a few exceptions for the stupid, statements like that are not to be taken as serious? Given the relatively poor performance of the French in recent major wars it should be expected....
The "American fries" joke was mocked by everyone with half a brain in our country too anyway bro....
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Show me a nation that dosent have some kind of foul banter going on with another nation... Finnish call swedish males 100% gay even tho we know that they are still reproducing(for much of our surprise.) It is mostly fun and harmless banter thats coming from both sides of the border and there is really nothing you can do about it. Even if you did proof that french are nothing like what is said about them, a new joke would arise till you run out of possible combinations of english words.
Personally i think that people shouldnt really care about this kind of "humor," it may be in a bad taste and uncalled for, but it is still *joking,* as in not to be taken seriously.
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United States22883 Posts
On January 22 2012 02:33 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 02:30 Jibba wrote:On January 22 2012 02:27 Djzapz wrote:On January 22 2012 02:24 Jibba wrote:On January 22 2012 02:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 22 2012 02:20 Jibba wrote:On January 22 2012 02:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 22 2012 02:06 Jibba wrote:On January 22 2012 01:53 Djzapz wrote:On January 22 2012 01:52 jj33 wrote:
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I'm American, what do we envy about the French?
Genuine question here, I don't know anybody here in the states who gives a damn about the French much less envy them. Presumably, a lot of people are like you and they don't know anything, then they post about it. Why don't you envy anyone else? Because you haven't bothered to educate yourself about countries which aren't your own. Edit: And you probably don't know all that much about the US either, in all likelihood. I think your attack is a bit premature. It's a pretty genuine question, and I've never heard anyone say they envy the French, except for cuisine and art museums. o.o As a Canadian, do you envy the French? Are you serious? French culture, literature, music, extraordinary amount of world class philosophers, thinkers, revolutionary spirit, fabulous buildings and architecture, highly educated population, rich traditions, world-famous art de vivre, fantastic transports, unique social system etc etc etc... I don't say anybody should envy anybody. I admire a lot of countries, and I still think France is in many aspects an extraordinary place. There's a difference between extraordinary things and enviable things. Everyone across the world has access to French musicians, artists, philosophers, etc. therefore they are not enviable. Fine. Nobody should envy anybody. We agree. I don't really see anyway, according to what you say, what could ever be enviable in a country. Anyway, it doesn't make people's prejudices and ignorance better. There's reason to envy countries, but envy is a function of desire and availability. Most parts of most countries have been globalized, so availability is no longer an issue. Look, in the way that it was brought forward, the word "envy" can be replaced with the word "want" or something. Americans envy the French in every way possible No, it really can't. In either context, it doesn't make sense. This whole thing was started because of you jumping on a guy who questioned that original response. You're the aggressor. -Americans envy the French in every way possible [not true] -Americans don't envy the French in any way ever, but I know nothing about the French [not true] -(My response) Americans can envy the French, what the hell are you talking about? [true, a little bit rude] I didn't attack anybody who didn't at least seem like the were "attacking" France by depicting it as a wasteland with nothing that anybody could ever want. Aka you misinterpreted his wording and then called him an idiot.
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On January 22 2012 02:37 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 02:33 Djzapz wrote:On January 22 2012 02:30 Jibba wrote:On January 22 2012 02:27 Djzapz wrote:On January 22 2012 02:24 Jibba wrote:On January 22 2012 02:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 22 2012 02:20 Jibba wrote:On January 22 2012 02:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 22 2012 02:06 Jibba wrote:On January 22 2012 01:53 Djzapz wrote:
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Presumably, a lot of people are like you and they don't know anything, then they post about it. Why don't you envy anyone else? Because you haven't bothered to educate yourself about countries which aren't your own.
Edit: And you probably don't know all that much about the US either, in all likelihood. I think your attack is a bit premature. It's a pretty genuine question, and I've never heard anyone say they envy the French, except for cuisine and art museums. o.o As a Canadian, do you envy the French? Are you serious? French culture, literature, music, extraordinary amount of world class philosophers, thinkers, revolutionary spirit, fabulous buildings and architecture, highly educated population, rich traditions, world-famous art de vivre, fantastic transports, unique social system etc etc etc... I don't say anybody should envy anybody. I admire a lot of countries, and I still think France is in many aspects an extraordinary place. There's a difference between extraordinary things and enviable things. Everyone across the world has access to French musicians, artists, philosophers, etc. therefore they are not enviable. Fine. Nobody should envy anybody. We agree. I don't really see anyway, according to what you say, what could ever be enviable in a country. Anyway, it doesn't make people's prejudices and ignorance better. There's reason to envy countries, but envy is a function of desire and availability. Most parts of most countries have been globalized, so availability is no longer an issue. Look, in the way that it was brought forward, the word "envy" can be replaced with the word "want" or something. Americans envy the French in every way possible No, it really can't. In either context, it doesn't make sense. This whole thing was started because of you jumping on a guy who questioned that original response. You're the aggressor. -Americans envy the French in every way possible [not true] -Americans don't envy the French in any way ever, but I know nothing about the French [not true] -(My response) Americans can envy the French, what the hell are you talking about? [true, a little bit rude] I didn't attack anybody who didn't at least seem like the were "attacking" France by depicting it as a wasteland with nothing that anybody could ever want. Aka you misinterpreted his wording and then called him an idiot.
I interpreted his wording perfectly, he didn't word it properly. I can't just guess that his intentions were completely different from the words he put in his post. I never called him an idiot but I guess I might have implied it.
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its interesting that the person saying people should envy France is embodying the very stereotype, arrogant nationalist, that turns so many people off from that country.
So you went site seeing and saw cute girls (the examples Jibba did not address, man). I'm sure that experience has been had in literally every country at least once. The world is a pretty cool looking place overall. And girls with accents are cute. That's not a reason to envy France
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I don't think the French bashing is based on envy. French people saying that is the same as when we Americans claimed the terrorists hated us for our freedoms, just a ridiculous claim to tar our enemy while making us feel good about ourselves at the same time.
People hate on the French for the same reasons any group is picked on. First because it makes us feel better about ourselves to hate an others. Second, because the jokes can be funny. Third because we can be idiots sometimes.
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Reading through this thread I think I can conclude that US bashing is MUCH MUCH worse than any "French bashing" that happens in the US
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