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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-13 19:55:18
October 13 2014 19:50 GMT
#4741
lol well if Kespa actually goes thru with it and cuts half the teams, other reigons players are basically chopped liver in comparison

I just mean NA LCS >>> NA challenger level is vastly exaggerated, like when people say man x toplaner sucks but who can they get, you aren't going to get Looper but you can get guys who at a minimum are as good as x when x = Innox

also on the topic of Kiwi a lot of people seem concerned about the friendship, a lot of the same stuff was said about l0cust back in the day and they dropped him like a bad habit
Carrilord has arrived.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 13 2014 20:05 GMT
#4742
Tbh, I feel kiwi's problems are a lot more symptomatic of dig's overall play than individual.
liftlift > tsm
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
October 13 2014 20:06 GMT
#4743
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oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-13 21:08:23
October 13 2014 20:11 GMT
#4744
On October 14 2014 04:30 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 04:08 Fusilero wrote:
http://clgaming.net/news/614-clg-roster-changes-dexter-steps-down
Dexter leaves CLG
https://www.facebook.com/dexter1lol/posts/394661287351427
Dexter's statement on his departure

Show nested quote +
With the flexibility of possible role swaps, and probable future roster changes, CLG will be willing to look at more than only junglers in the coming weeks.

Oh wow does CLG ever learn?

Btw judging from their farewell statements Dexter and Amazing are better writers than half of esports journalists.


To be completely honest, Link was jungler when Hotshot found him in Season 2.
It's not like, he will be completely lost there if it happens, considering that he wasn't worse than bunch of NA junglers during his 3-weeks forest stint last Spring.

Dropping Aphromoo for Zero, uh, no. Like, yes, Zero is a God, but Aphromoo is last problem of CLG which requires fixing, you can't drop most mature guy in team alongside Doublelift (who's still childish sometimes) for guy who never spoke English in his entire life.

So, basically, if Seraph doesn't leave, it's either CLG Swift/Spirit or CLG.Ambition/CoCo, considering who's going to be starter for CJ Entus next season and who's going to be jungler for KT.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-13 20:12:57
October 13 2014 20:11 GMT
#4745
hard to make a good judgement on how much Lustboy improved the team as he was brought in in the midst of a team already on the upswing we don't actually know what the ceiling was.

lets pretend you could have either a)Lustboy over Gleeb or b)Acorn over Dyrus (assuming Kespa loses it's mind as predicted)

thats all I'm saying I def think Lustboy is a huge improvement over Gleeb but when you bring in other options sacrificed the issue becomes clouded

(and to be even more fair to my argument after the expansion tournament ends there will be even stronger supports than Gleeb on the market who won't absorb a exception slot)
Carrilord has arrived.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 13 2014 20:15 GMT
#4746
it's kinda like a fantasy draft,

if you have one of the top 3 NA players at X role, you can win that "lane" without spending your resource "exemptions"

for that reason alone Zero should not be an option for CLG
Carrilord has arrived.
orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-13 20:20:49
October 13 2014 20:19 GMT
#4747
Dexter is done in EU, he will stay in NA probably. Also I wouldn't be surprised if CLG moved Link to jungle.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 13 2014 20:21 GMT
#4748
The way I see it CLG with h0r0/swift and aphro > CLG with zero and some NA jungle. At least in the crazy hypothetical world of rosterbation, besides don't fix what isn't broken. What's broken was solo lane synergy and wills to live not the bot lane (As much as people like to come up with elaborate bullshit to pin CLG's struggles on doublelift)
Glorious SEA doto
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 13 2014 20:22 GMT
#4749
that would actually make sense (from a friendship standpoint) as the main problem with Zion to clg rumor was that he and Shiphtur supposedly sold themselves as a package last time they were free agents.

not sure if I like that team or not, but I think it better than last split Dig, new fav team?
Carrilord has arrived.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-13 20:24:36
October 13 2014 20:23 GMT
#4750
On October 14 2014 05:19 orzeu wrote:
Dexter is done in EU, he will stay in NA probably. Also I wouldn't be surprised if CLG moved Link to jungle.


Inb4 EG.Dexter happens, EG as CLG.International bench confirmed.

On October 14 2014 05:21 Fusilero wrote:
The way I see it CLG with h0r0/swift and aphro > CLG with zero and some NA jungle. At least in the crazy hypothetical world of rosterbation, besides don't fix what isn't broken. What's broken was solo lane synergy and wills to live not the bot lane (As much as people like to come up with elaborate bullshit to pin CLG's struggles on doublelift)


Ye, i don't see Zero instantly fixing all the problems, he will lose his will to live faster.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 13 2014 20:24 GMT
#4751
Maybe Dexter can become an Esport guy instead. He is funny and not afraid to be critical.
Freeeeeeedom
orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-13 20:28:34
October 13 2014 20:27 GMT
#4752
On October 14 2014 05:21 Fusilero wrote:
The way I see it CLG with h0r0/swift and aphro > CLG with zero and some NA jungle. At least in the crazy hypothetical world of rosterbation, besides don't fix what isn't broken. What's broken was solo lane synergy and wills to live not the bot lane (As much as people like to come up with elaborate bullshit to pin CLG's struggles on doublelift)

I don't think CLG is trying to bring more koreans.
http://ask.fm/CLG_HotshotGG/answer/118879289867
On October 14 2014 05:24 cLutZ wrote:
Maybe Dexter can become an Esport guy instead. He is funny and not afraid to be critical.

He is not Snoopeh tho.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-13 20:31:49
October 13 2014 20:31 GMT
#4753
If the answer is CLG needs a Korean coach then CLG.Woong the dream

CLG.NINTENDUDE THE REAL DREAM
Glorious SEA doto
TitusVI
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany8319 Posts
October 13 2014 20:39 GMT
#4754
Could be that many this season don't find another team. Like prolly or amazing or dexter.
Science>Mechanics
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-13 20:43:09
October 13 2014 20:41 GMT
#4755
https://www.facebook.com/Youngbuck.lol/posts/747954871943932
Copenhagen Wolves will not be making roster changes, however woolite is trying out for roccat
On October 14 2014 05:39 TitusVI wrote:
Could be that many this season don't find another team. Like prolly or amazing or dexter.

Depends on their expectations likely, if they go the way of forgiven or puszu (I will only join a top team, I've proven myself now to play the waiting game) they'll probably get nowhere but if they keep their goals realistic and accept a lower tier LCS or try to make it back into LCS through the challenger scene they'll be fine.
Glorious SEA doto
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-13 20:48:41
October 13 2014 20:46 GMT
#4756
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-13 20:53:06
October 13 2014 20:48 GMT
#4757
On October 14 2014 05:39 TitusVI wrote:
Could be that many this season don't find another team. Like prolly or amazing or dexter.

prolly getting kicked off really fucking rubs me the wrong way. despite his hilarious yasuo games, this guy has some serious fucking skills. real shame if he doesn't get to play next split.
On October 14 2014 05:46 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 05:11 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On October 14 2014 04:30 Redox wrote:
On October 14 2014 04:08 Fusilero wrote:
http://clgaming.net/news/614-clg-roster-changes-dexter-steps-down
Dexter leaves CLG
https://www.facebook.com/dexter1lol/posts/394661287351427
Dexter's statement on his departure

With the flexibility of possible role swaps, and probable future roster changes, CLG will be willing to look at more than only junglers in the coming weeks.

Oh wow does CLG ever learn?

Btw judging from their farewell statements Dexter and Amazing are better writers than half of esports journalists.


To be completely honest, Link was jungler when Hotshot found him in Season 2.
It's not like, he will be completely lost there if it happens, considering that he wasn't worse than bunch of NA junglers during his 3-weeks forest stint last Spring.

Dropping Aphromoo for Zero, uh, no. Like, yes, Zero is a God, but Aphromoo is last problem of CLG which requires fixing, you can't drop most mature guy in team alongside Doublelift (who's still childish sometimes) for guy who never spoke English in his entire life.

So, basically, if Seraph doesn't live, it's either CLG Swift/Spirit or CLG.Ambition/CoCo, considering who's going to be starter for CJ Entus next season and who's going to be jungler for KT.


I stated in my previous post that Zero said he has learned English before and has interest in learning English still. I imagine it's better than his Chinese which he learned for the first time after joining SHRC. Probably Seraph's level at worst. And yes, I love Aphro and I think he's actually the best player on the team but Zero is a top top support who just made it to World Finals. All this on a team who don't even speak a common language. Communication wouldn't be a problem. If you can patch holes in the other roles first, that is great, but if the opportunity comes and Zero says hey I want to play on your team, you don't turn him away even if you have Aphromoo. This is of course assuming CLG is all about winning since Aphro has a decent fanbase and one of the most liked CLG members. But you'd be crazy to think Aphro > Zero.

edit:
But yeah I would most definitely go for other roles before even thinking about Zero.

Real question is, the upgrade from Aphro to Zero worth the trouble? Zero is good, perhaps better than Aphro, but by how much to use up a foreign player slot? Especially now that the jungle position is open, Link is shitter, and Seraph is the definition of #thestruggleisreal?

Simply doesn't make sense.

Also, every time someone brings up Lustboy, I just wanna say. HE'S NOT MUCH BETTER THAN FUCKING XPECIAL. holy shit, lustboy only looked amazing because he proceeded from Gleeb. Lest you guys forget how godly WT looked in groups last year because he was laning with XPECIAL.
liftlift > tsm
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 13 2014 20:50 GMT
#4758
you are ignoring what you give up in order to make that move, like sure Zero might be difinitively better in a world where you didn't have to give up an excempt slot and you could sign Aphro to a non-compete, but in reality it's just not worth it.
Carrilord has arrived.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 13 2014 20:51 GMT
#4759
On October 14 2014 05:48 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 05:39 TitusVI wrote:
Could be that many this season don't find another team. Like prolly or amazing or dexter.

prolly getting kicked off really fucking rubs me the wrong way. despite his hilarious yasuo games, this guy has some serious fucking skills. real shame if he doesn't get to play next split.


well they have to qualify first lol
Carrilord has arrived.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-13 20:55:40
October 13 2014 20:53 GMT
#4760
On October 14 2014 05:41 Fusilero wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/Youngbuck.lol/posts/747954871943932
Copenhagen Wolves will not be making roster changes, however woolite is trying out for roccat

Somewhat related to that, Impaler said Amazing might go to SHC but that they have probably not decided yet.

Impaler's stream is great btw if anyone can catch it.
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