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[Q] DRG's Baneling Roach Aggression Build

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junglebadger
Profile Joined August 2010
21 Posts
December 19 2011 09:59 GMT
#1
I've been looking around for the build order DRG used in the first game of the finals (the one he ended up losing tragically) and then later used again successfully. Can't find it anywhere, does anyone have it on hand? Thanks
Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
December 19 2011 17:36 GMT
#2
Looks similar to LosirA's Roach Bling attacks. You might wanna check out his MLG replays from somewhere. ZvT of course.
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Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand459 Posts
December 19 2011 17:40 GMT
#3
I can give you a general outline off the top of my head...
15 Hatch
16 Pool
17 Gas
Ling speed at 100 Gas
Roach Warren at 200 Gas
2nd gas somewhere
12 Roaches when warren finishes, bling nest at the same time.

1 Saturated Base, 12 or so drones at the other

Mass lings behind it and rally to base.
Morph blings with current amount of gas
Step 10, ????profit???
oh and then attack
JBNZerg
Profile Joined December 2011
Denmark21 Posts
December 19 2011 19:36 GMT
#4
I'm attempting to work out a very similar build, though it's based of one Nestea did against KawaiiRice during a streamed game on the IPL (not part of the actual tourney, though. Atleast I think not.) HDStarcraft actually did a cast of it here.

The main difference is that it delays the push a bit (at about 10.30-11 minutes game time), and that it gets speed for roaches, banelings and zerglings.

It goes something like this:

15 Hatch
17 Gas
16 Pool
20 both Queens at nat and main
@ 100 Ga, get zergling speed - keep drones on gas
26 Roach Warren
@ 100 Gas get Lair
When you start Lair you get your Banes Nest
@ 50/80 Lair get the remaining 3 Geysers
Drones untill full 2base saturation (about 44 if you can it that)
Overlords as appropriate.

Then when Lair finishes you get Roach and Bane speed, and then start pumping Roaches till you get close to about 100 food. Then mass a ton of lings and move towards your opponents base. When the lings get there, morph as many banes as you can, and then push into his nat for the (hopefully) kill. If you don't manage to score a GG, you atleast need to completely destroy his natural, and then start droning like a crazy. Oh, and prepare for a banshee followup by throwing down an Evo Chamber as you push out, and get preemptive spores.

It may be kinda of intuitive, but in case you don't make the connection, this kind of build, while very strong (and still not completely refined, but hey, maybe you can help me with that! :D), is super open to any kind of 1/1/1 cloaked banshee rush unless scouted immediately, or basically any kind of starport play (drops, etc). Also, because the budget is kind of tight, it's not always easy to adapt to any kind of ground all-in. Especially not Marauder/Helion all-ins... "shrug"!!

Anyway, I hope you may be able to use this for something, even if it isn't the exact build you asked for. Also, if you have any questions or suggestion (or anyone else for that matter), feel free to throw me a PM. I'm on EU server: JBN.504
HTODethklok
Profile Joined November 2010
United States221 Posts
December 19 2011 20:19 GMT
#5
You should check out this build here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=225571
It's not DRGs build but still a very effective roach bling bust off of 2 base although this one is a speedling expand. I'm sure you could tweak it a little to make hatch first work if that's more your thing.
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junglebadger
Profile Joined August 2010
21 Posts
December 20 2011 04:52 GMT
#6
This is why I love TL, prompt and helpful. Thanks guys
aviator116
Profile Joined November 2011
United States820 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 05:24:39
December 20 2011 05:22 GMT
#7
this guy is a total badass to upload all the vids of the finals

ive been watching the games a lot to figure out the BOs
Bogus ST_Life IMMVP
IcemanAsi
Profile Joined March 2011
Israel681 Posts
December 20 2011 06:19 GMT
#8
On December 20 2011 14:22 aviator116 wrote:
this guy is a total badass to upload all the vids of the finals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLPba5PVrHM
ive been watching the games a lot to figure out the BOs

That's actually quite uncool man.
E-sports are funded by people playing to watch this games, by pirating them you are severly damaging the e-sport economy structure, which means no more cool games for everyone.
CaptTerrible
Profile Joined July 2010
United States72 Posts
December 20 2011 08:03 GMT
#9
As far as I can tell this is what DRG was doing

15 - Hatchery
17 - Pool
18 - Gas (at main base)
17 - Overlord
18 - Queen x2
22 - Zergling x2
27 - Overlord
28 - Metabolic Boost
28 - Overlord
~42 - Gas (at natural, timing seems to be good right when your Spawn Larvae pops)
44 - Overlord
44 - Roach Warren (This should be placed down right as Metabolic Boost finishes)
44 - Overlord x2
44 - Baneling Nest (Placed right as Roach Warren finishes or earlier)
44 - Roach x12
*From here he'll make a pair of Overlords and pump Zerglings

Notes
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44 Supply is kind of the magic number, you should have both bases saturated and each base should have a gas. Overlords in this area could probably be scrutinized a bit more, but it seems to work well for me. Try to keep Drones even at each base, DRG looks to build his Baneling Nest from the drones at the natural in order to make it simple to stay even.

Banelings are slow so morphing them near the Terran base is ideal, you should have enough resources to make about 12 of them which should bust you through just about anything.

DRG seems to opt for a Lair, another Hatchery (macro or 3rd) and Evolution Chambers. The games didn't last long enough to see what this would look like if everything hit even, but at the very least it gives you a good amount of possibilities to work with.

I have found that if you Drone hard then your main should be saturated by the time your natural is up. Just rally your Drones to your natural when it pops and you should be good.

There is enough room in this build to lay down a Spine Crawler if Terran is being aggressive with Hellions, good control should be able to stop them till the Roaches pop.

DRG got beaten pretty badly by Banshee's so I'd say watch out for that.

From my little messing around 2 Barracks seems to disrupt the build pretty badly, enough so that Terran can get Siege tanks out before your ready to bust.

Only other thing to say is keep on eye on your rally point (I like to rally to a Roach) and stay on top of injects. You need to be damn near perfect with injects to keep your minerals down.
Awesome
aviator116
Profile Joined November 2011
United States820 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 08:09:47
December 20 2011 08:07 GMT
#10
On December 20 2011 15:19 IcemanAsi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 14:22 aviator116 wrote:
this guy is a total badass to upload all the vids of the finals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLPba5PVrHM
ive been watching the games a lot to figure out the BOs

That's actually quite uncool man.
E-sports are funded by people playing to watch this games, by pirating them you are severly damaging the e-sport economy structure, which means no more cool games for everyone.

i had to pay for the VODs like everybody else.

in that case, then people must be hurting esports by watching youtube vids too?
think about it...if everything were to revolve around money in ESPORTS, then those replays we all leach off of MLG might as well have a price tag too.
Bogus ST_Life IMMVP
IcemanAsi
Profile Joined March 2011
Israel681 Posts
December 20 2011 08:31 GMT
#11
On December 20 2011 17:07 aviator116 wrote:
in that case, then people must be hurting esports by watching youtube vids too?

If those are pirated videos from paid tournaments, well, yeah.
aviator116
Profile Joined November 2011
United States820 Posts
December 21 2011 02:53 GMT
#12
On December 20 2011 17:31 IcemanAsi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 17:07 aviator116 wrote:
in that case, then people must be hurting esports by watching youtube vids too?

If those are pirated videos from paid tournaments, well, yeah.

lol. well then we might as well as give up on becoming better players...since 90% of us non-pros learn from replays and vids. and you're saying we need to put a price on that so none of us are going to get better unless we spend hundreds of dollars on replays and videos.
Bogus ST_Life IMMVP
IcemanAsi
Profile Joined March 2011
Israel681 Posts
December 21 2011 08:32 GMT
#13
On December 21 2011 11:53 aviator116 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 17:31 IcemanAsi wrote:
On December 20 2011 17:07 aviator116 wrote:
in that case, then people must be hurting esports by watching youtube vids too?

If those are pirated videos from paid tournaments, well, yeah.

lol. well then we might as well as give up on becoming better players...since 90% of us non-pros learn from replays and vids. and you're saying we need to put a price on that so none of us are going to get better unless we spend hundreds of dollars on replays and videos.

There are literally thousands of legit replays, not to mention tens of thousands of hours of stream VOD's. I'm only talking about vids pirated from tournaments which are pay-to-view. If those shut down, you can get better all you want. You'll have no large tournaments to compete in however.
Kamikiri
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1319 Posts
December 21 2011 08:56 GMT
#14
On December 21 2011 11:53 aviator116 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 17:31 IcemanAsi wrote:
On December 20 2011 17:07 aviator116 wrote:
in that case, then people must be hurting esports by watching youtube vids too?

If those are pirated videos from paid tournaments, well, yeah.

lol. well then we might as well as give up on becoming better players...since 90% of us non-pros learn from replays and vids. and you're saying we need to put a price on that so none of us are going to get better unless we spend hundreds of dollars on replays and videos.


You don't improve from watching other people and trying to copy them, perhaps it helps but there is tons of streams and free replays. Pirating from a tournament is not good no matter what you try to say.
jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-22 02:50:04
December 22 2011 02:48 GMT
#15
wow seriously...?
why would you pirate the videos?
so damaging to esports just buy the ticket and SUPPORT ESPORtS.
Edit: this is to anyone that would pirate videos. Not blaming anyone inn this thread.
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
December 22 2011 02:52 GMT
#16
no effort op
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