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So I was playing a 2v2 after several months off SC with my friend when this guy c0ke (yellow zerg) starts talking about how he made winbot, other bots, homobot, etc. So I tell him; good for you!
So the game continues, then all of a sudden at 4:50 my rines start shooting each other. Well the first thing I thought was, fuck, c0ke is doing this, so I try to stop the rines but they eventually kill each other.
My SCVs start attacking, everything does. When I hover my cursor over my stuff it's red like what you get when you hover it over an enemy unit. My friend tells me that I unallied him, etc, and he leaves.
I confront c0ke about this and he says BNet made an anti-maphack patch or whatever so thats why my units are killing each other (bullshit).
Anyways, here's the rep (right-click/save-as):
Replay
*edit: save as .rep I guess ;/
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Now be honest, did you hack that game?
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No, and its version 1.11, hmm maybe it's tripod.. rep is working on my hd
anyone wanna host it for me..?
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On January 28 2005 22:28 MPXMX wrote: replay is corrupted btw Another telltale sign of a maphacker. There is a certain maphack that stabs you in the back if someone uses a special backdoor on it, and makes you unally yourself.
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i remember a time when the c0kes ruled the bnet ladder.
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Penguin Launcher program that makes users of a certain maphack unally themselves
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On January 28 2005 22:22 CyborgZer0 wrote:So I was playing a 2v2 after several months off SC with my friend when this guy c0ke (yellow zerg) starts talking about how he made winbot, other bots, homobot, etc. So I tell him; good for you! So the game continues, then all of a sudden at 4:50 my rines start shooting each other. Well the first thing I thought was, fuck, c0ke is doing this, so I try to stop the rines but they eventually kill each other. My SCVs start attacking, everything does. When I hover my cursor over my stuff it's red like what you get when you hover it over an enemy unit. My friend tells me that I unallied him, etc, and he leaves. I confront c0ke about this and he says BNet made an anti-maphack patch or whatever so thats why my units are killing each other (bullshit). Anyways, here's the rep (right-click/save-as): Replay*edit: save as .rep I guess ;/
You have just confessed to maphacking.
Have a nice day!
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Sorry stupid kid, you were hacking.
Fuckin moron.
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Well before you start accusing me, does the rep work?
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I want to see replay Can someone upload it to another site like batllereports? i can download it but when i try to start it it says this scenario was intended for use with broodwar ex set
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YOu were hacking, and penguin plug fucken owned you. Nuff said :D
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You maphacked and he was using penguin plug. penguin plud detects maphackers and makes their units unally themselves.
BTW Rofl.
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Is there anyway I can persuade you guys otherwise?
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51453 Posts
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If there's a program that can target maphackers and make them unally themselves, wouldn't it be just as plausible that there's a program that can target innocent people and make them unally themselves?
Just a thought!
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hahahaha cyborg - 5 posts - NO clue! you poor dumb dick - you just came out of the closet as a hacker and you didn't even know u were doing it?!
Why would you be so interested to know if the other guy was hacking - when u were hacking yourself? hahahaha
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Wouldn't you be curious if your units killed each other? Especially in a game where one of the players admits to being knowledgeable (and even claims to have made) these kinds of things?
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i'm getting the same erorr ....why?(this scenario was intended for use with a bw ex set). i really want to see the rep
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On January 28 2005 22:58 CyborgZer0 wrote: Wouldn't you be curious if your units killed each other? Especially in a game where one of the players admits to being knowledgeable (and even claims to have made) these kinds of things?
D'uh everyone knows the existence of those program. They are made to bash newbie who use hack and doesn't know anything about starcraft.
You got owned by the pinguin
On January 28 2005 23:00 od] wrote: i'm getting the same erorr ....why?(this scenario was intended for use with a bw ex set). i really want to see the rep
I have done some test with my friend and sometimes the replay is corrupted and some times it's not. Usually it is corrupted has something like ''illegall'' happen and it all fuck up ( like trying to watch a 1.10 replay where you slide CC in BW 1.11)
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On January 28 2005 22:53 Chris307 wrote: If there's a program that can target maphackers and make them unally themselves, wouldn't it be just as plausible that there's a program that can target innocent people and make them unally themselves?
Just a thought! Possible, but the unallying oneself's units is found in the maphack, so it I think it rules out as a possibility because the innocent person won't be using a hack.
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On January 28 2005 22:53 Chris307 wrote: If there's a program that can target maphackers and make them unally themselves, wouldn't it be just as plausible that there's a program that can target innocent people and make them unally themselves?
Just a thought!
Actually, the program that targets maphackers targets a specific maphack that has a backdoor: it causes the maphacker to unally himself if he receives a particular message in game or via BNet. So really, it's the maphacking program itself that makes the player unally him/herself. Thus, it is not equally plausible for a program to be able to do this to any innocent person .
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Let's not get into my knowledge of Starcraft, my post-count, etc please. Does penguin work both ways? ie, the person using penguin - can he also map-hack undetected? Can penguin be altered to target other things, such as the advanced-ai for sc, mods, etc?
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On January 28 2005 23:02 ieatkids5 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2005 22:53 Chris307 wrote: If there's a program that can target maphackers and make them unally themselves, wouldn't it be just as plausible that there's a program that can target innocent people and make them unally themselves?
Just a thought! Possible, but the unallying oneself's units is found in the maphack, so it I think it rules out as a possibility because the innocent person won't be using a hack.
I didn't ever see this where I was fully aware that one didn't hack and this happened to him. Random guy story aren't trustworthy
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On January 28 2005 23:04 CyborgZer0 wrote: Let's not get into my knowledge of Starcraft, my post-count, etc please. Does penguin work both ways? ie, the person using penguin - can he also map-hack undetected? Can penguin be altered to target other things, such as the advanced-ai for sc, mods, etc?
hahaha... now you want to hack and use penguin ...rofwl
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On January 28 2005 22:58 CyborgZer0 wrote: Especially in a game where one of the players admits to being knowledgeable (and even claims to have made) these kinds of things?
Yeah, I'm sure he was telling the truth. He certainly wasn't a name-spoofer using the Pengiun Plug and looking for maphackers so that when they get caught he can pretend to be c0ke and claim to have a new hack.
Think about what you're saying: does anything that any random person says in a random game have any credit or value whatsoever?
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On January 28 2005 23:04 CyborgZer0 wrote: Let's not get into my knowledge of Starcraft, my post-count, etc please. Does penguin work both ways? ie, the person using penguin - can he also map-hack undetected? Can penguin be altered to target other things, such as the advanced-ai for sc, mods, etc?
no, it cant. It works one way, the maphack that you willingly ran while playing SC has a big door that penguin plug triggers. penguin plug does absolutely nothing more, your hack is what made you auto unally. stop maphacking you newbie faggot
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Ban this dumb kid? Lol what an idiot...
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On January 28 2005 23:12 Bill307 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2005 22:58 CyborgZer0 wrote: Especially in a game where one of the players admits to being knowledgeable (and even claims to have made) these kinds of things? Yeah, I'm sure he was telling the truth. He certainly wasn't a name-spoofer using the Pengiun Plug and looking for maphackers so that when they get caught he can pretend to be c0ke and claim to have a new hack. Think about what you're saying: does anything that any random person says in a random game have any credit or value whatsoever?
Good point - but he was sitting in the open tech support channel after the game when I confronted him so that rules him out as a name spoofer and/or any 'random person'.
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One time in a pub game a guy with 32 apm called me a noobie. I took offense. :o
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This is pretty funny, peoples have no shame.
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Kind of unfair to demonize somebody like this.
90% of the world population would be maphackers if they played BW. That's just how the common man thinks. They're not on the same level as any of us, being competitive players or die-hard spectators.
I know plenty of BW players irl (really bad ones) and they are all blatantly obvious maphackers, none of them bad people in reality.
For the casual player I think it's just really frustrating for them not being able to see the map, so turning on a maphack is like a breath of fresh air.
But yes, this whole post is indeed quite ironic.
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penguinplug checks exactly at 4:50 so yeah you hacked ^^
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What I'm saying is, Cyborg seems like a decent guy. He types the english language quite well, so rather than ostracizing him, why don't we actually try being helpful! 
Cyborg, being a maphacker is sort of like being that one asshole you knew in 6th grade that would insist on being the banker and constantly slip himself free cash in Monopoly. It's CHEATING.
Here's my advice: Make an abundance of worker units and send 1 out every once in a while, to look at areas of the map for you, rather than maphacking. You'll find that you're given much of the advantages of maphacking, at the cost of a couple of minerals every few minutes. And you get to keep your dignity!
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lolllllll !
this reminds me of when that probe guy unwittingly sent those screenshots that showed he hacked to wgtour for some other purpose.
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United States12235 Posts
This forum needs a Comedy Goldmine. This should be the first entry.
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Umm this might feature in this week's fakesteve review i feel!
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lol @ the responses but a big to the original poster
i think people would be a bit more understanding if he admitted he hacks instead of trying to accuse someone else
isn't it ironic, dontcha think
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WHERE CAN YOU GET THIS!?!?!?! ?ROFLMAO @ the cyborgz
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I don't know whether to laugh, cry or just foreget about it all wince all hackers or athletes on drugs always accuse others while doing it themselves.
Like I'm pretty much the ONLY one who has never used a cheat in a multiplayer game not even in a public game for a laugh...
Those of you who do this, remember there are things like nintendo, playstation, xbox and such for retards like you.
EDIT: IT'S NOT JUST A COMPUTERGAME, since you play other human beings it affects other humans. It's not just ones and zeroes (like you)...
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fucking haxors. Haxors on halo 2 is the worst. Turn off modem and freeze me fuckers... ahhhhh....
go find a bridge and leap off, all of yas
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map off plz ^_^ funny thread
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Russian Federation270 Posts
On January 28 2005 23:31 Chris307 wrote: ... die-hard spectators.
Yes we are ;-)
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and cyborg, could ya quit changing the subject to this "c0ke" guy ( who isnt c0ke obviously)
You have no basis to be pissed at him man.
Hypo..................ppatamus
EDIT: and i suggest you create another account and restart your TL.net life, cause you started out shitty man.. soo shitty..
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Russian Federation270 Posts
Btw, do you remember that academy'ed-up man? That was LOL, too.
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lol CyborgZer0 you made my night 
penguin plug strikes again!!!
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i seen something like that before, you were hackin fosho
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Oohh ouch, pretty harsh up in here.
But man, you just admited to hacking willingly! It would be nice if you'd at least make a post in totally admitting that you were hacking instead of saying "I don't hack" and lines like that =)
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What's worse than a hacker is a hacker who blantantly denies it.
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United States10774 Posts
rofl hahahah
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On January 28 2005 23:31 Chris307 wrote: Kind of unfair to demonize somebody like this.
90% of the world population would be maphackers if they played BW. That's just how the common man thinks. They're not on the same level as any of us, being competitive players or die-hard spectators.
I know plenty of BW players irl (really bad ones) and they are all blatantly obvious maphackers, none of them bad people in reality.
For the casual player I think it's just really frustrating for them not being able to see the map, so turning on a maphack is like a breath of fresh air.
But yes, this whole post is indeed quite ironic.
you look like you map hack too
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peng plug still works? someone told me its like out dated and some fag made a new map hack
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On January 29 2005 03:40 AnOther wrote: peng plug still works? someone told me its like out dated and some fag made a new map hack well it is supposed to work on a specified map hack. May be they switched to another one or as penguin plug is being popular, it will be no surprise if some idiots made new one...
well i still use it foe the text replay as when i am playing, i used to chat with obs and my opponent. Well, i played mostly with friends... that's why...
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actually c0ke is the guy who made winbot and probably he didnt use penguin, because penguin just sends one command. it can be done by using other hack there is a very little window of opportunity that c0ke used other (new?) hack, however I think that the creator of the thread just maphacked. self unallying can be applied to computer in ums, so there are probably more ways to do it
On January 29 2005 03:40 AnOther wrote: peng plug still works? someone told me its like out dated and some fag made a new map hack
penguin plug detected only one type of maphack there are more
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Netherlands13554 Posts
Ehrr.. ;(
I heard that a BWnocdcrack triggered penguinplug as well.
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United States33390 Posts
now now, only testie deserves to be buried for hacking
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On January 29 2005 05:21 Twisted wrote: Ehrr.. ;(
I heard that a BWnocdcrack triggered penguinplug as well.
some quotes from my FAQ (http://ste.gnux.info/pp/faq.php) :
How does it works ? The most common maphack has a backdoor. This backdoor listen all messages and unally his user with himself if the particular messages is recieved. PenguinPlug send this message.
Can i be unallyed if i use a timer / apmlive / a chat logger / (insert here any other 3rd party program) No, there is 0% of chance of self unallying if you dont use the detected maphack, any other program wont make you self-unally.
It's a very very common excuse that come from maphackers, the most easy way to try to denie it. It leads to some rumors like the Twisted one. If i was wrong, why would 0 guys proved me wrong ? it should be simple, just send me the program that is triggered. The "not so simple thing" is that such a program doesnt exists, it's only the maphack that do this.
Nowdays the anti-cheat method is not very efficient because peoples started to use some other maphacks and i cant do anything against this. But if a guy just come back from vacations and re-start playing using his old maphack, it can lead to funny threads like this one 
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Norway10161 Posts
Hey hacker.
have a nice life.
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stinking hackers..
congratulations on making an ass of yourself
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16987 Posts
I like his Nuke icon
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damn. you guys ate him alive.
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Penguin Plug ftw!! o/ LOL this was hilarious ^__^
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HAHA you idiot! you made a fool out of yourself.
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lol I agree there needs to be a comedy goldmine section.
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16987 Posts
It could be posted in the articles section :O
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Funny how they never learn...
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On January 29 2005 03:18 Baki wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2005 23:31 Chris307 wrote: Kind of unfair to demonize somebody like this.
90% of the world population would be maphackers if they played BW. That's just how the common man thinks. They're not on the same level as any of us, being competitive players or die-hard spectators.
I know plenty of BW players irl (really bad ones) and they are all blatantly obvious maphackers, none of them bad people in reality.
For the casual player I think it's just really frustrating for them not being able to see the map, so turning on a maphack is like a breath of fresh air.
But yes, this whole post is indeed quite ironic. you look like you map hack too
Well I don't. I don't even play, actually.
Thanks for the expert psycho-analysis though.
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Notice how the above linked hacker replay, contains 0 suspicious movements? Hackers are catching on these days. Sucks.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On January 28 2005 23:04 CyborgZer0 wrote: Let's not get into my knowledge of Starcraft, my post-count, etc please. Does penguin work both ways? ie, the person using penguin - can he also map-hack undetected? Can penguin be altered to target other things, such as the advanced-ai for sc, mods, etc? If they have the same backdoor, yes.
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Haha funny thread indeed. I had a huge smile on my face when I read the first post... Oh dear...
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Haha, I always love seeing stuff like this. ^^
I remember one time on a different forum some guy was complaining about how his opponent was hacking and posted the replay, and in the replay the guy who posted it used comsat scans on someone who had turned on shared vision with him several minutes before hand.
It's bad enough to get caught hacking, but getting caught by trying to accuse someone else is far worse (but far more humorous for everyone else!).
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Penguin Plug was just a copy of a hack that contains the antihack to the creators public hack and when the maphack creators Private hack got public then Penguin was made from same shit..so really you penguins are hackers too so -.- anyways dont trust penguin cause the Released Private hack doesnt get detected by Penguin but it does the public one and both penguin and this private one dont detect other private hacks so..?
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On January 29 2005 13:05 karezylilrascal888 wrote: Penguin Plug was just a copy of a hack that contains the antihack to the creators public hack and when the maphack creators Private hack got public then Penguin was made from same shit..so really you penguins are hackers too so -.- anyways dont trust penguin cause the Released Private hack doesnt get detected by Penguin but it does the public one and both penguin and this private one dont detect other private hacks so..?
Most convaluted statement EVER.
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On January 29 2005 13:05 karezylilrascal888 wrote: Penguin Plug was just a copy of a hack that contains the antihack to the creators public hack and when the maphack creators Private hack got public then Penguin was made from same shit..so really you penguins are hackers too so -.- anyways dont trust penguin cause the Released Private hack doesnt get detected by Penguin but it does the public one and both penguin and this private one dont detect other private hacks so..?
Why shouldn't we trust Penguin Plug? It has no false positives; it can't have them due to the way it works.
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On January 29 2005 00:00 Excalibur_Z wrote: This forum needs a Comedy Goldmine. This should be the first entry.
Dude, that is such a blingin idea. I think we shoudl second it. Think of all the fucking messed up topics that have come up over the years, we should make a lil treasure house for them.
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On January 29 2005 13:05 karezylilrascal888 wrote: Penguin Plug was just a copy of a hack that contains the antihack to the creators public hack and when the maphack creators Private hack got public then Penguin was made from same shit..so really you penguins are hackers too so -.- anyways dont trust penguin cause the Released Private hack doesnt get detected by Penguin but it does the public one and both penguin and this private one dont detect other private hacks so..?
I think you should read the FAQ and the readme because you dont understand everything. I have wrote in it that there is also this other cheating tool that can detect the same maphack by exploiting the same backdoor. this other cheating tool dont have any exploitable backdoor from what i could check (well, i imagined a method to detect it but it's to complicated to code and to use so i rather wait 1.12). For your information, i have nothing in common with those cheat programmers, i never asked the help of a cheater to know how to exploit the backdoor, i exploited the backdoor with some reverse engeenering on the maphack. I didnt had the other private cheating tool at this time, but i knew it existed that's why i had the idea of trying to find the backdoor.
The fact a cheating tool exist to detect an other cheating tool doesnt change the problem of legit players : how can a non cheater detect some cheaters ? the answer is penguinplug. It doesnt detect everything but it works. And it's not "a copy of a cheating tool".
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On January 29 2005 13:05 karezylilrascal888 wrote: Penguin Plug was just a copy of a hack that contains the antihack to the creators public hack and when the maphack creators Private hack got public then Penguin was made from same shit..so really you penguins are hackers too so -.- anyways dont trust penguin cause the Released Private hack doesnt get detected by Penguin but it does the public one and both penguin and this private one dont detect other private hacks so..?
i tried to read this like 5 times before i gave up
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OMG your a fucking n00b maphacker who dont like to play fair. And you complain with someone using an anti-hack does it back to you!
Haha, fucking owned. Just confessed to maphacking didnt you? Good old Penguin Plug.
Have a nice day n00b. Someone please this guy now.
I sent 3 reps yesterday to hacks@blizzard.com to get 3 guys banned, someone do it to this guy ^^
karezylilrascal888 <---- Maphacker? Tells us not to use PP lol!
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On January 29 2005 15:38 kCiNNiCk wrote:OMG your a fucking n00b maphacker who dont like to play fair. And you complain with someone using an anti-hack does it back to you! Haha, fucking owned. Just confessed to maphacking didnt you? Good old Penguin Plug. Have a nice day n00b. Someone please  this guy now. I sent 3 reps yesterday to hacks@blizzard.com to get 3 guys banned, someone do it to this guy ^^ karezylilrascal888 <---- Maphacker? Tells us not to use PP lol!
You think i maphack? LOL. Im not saying not to use it, but im saying that it works just like a private version of the public hack that it supposedly owns. Anyways I play PGTOUR so if you think I hack then you must think the whole anti-hack ladder is whack and false? But truthfully I believe you don't know jack shit so we'll forget it as you are a dumbass.
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STFU you loud mouthed american bastard.
I used to play ng-i, but for now i'm only play WGT. PGT doesnt work for me since they said there is a bug, as some peoples usernames appear in symbols on the launcher.
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On January 29 2005 16:01 kCiNNiCk wrote: STFU you loud mouthed american bastard.
I used to play ng-i, but for now i'm only play WGT. PGT doesnt work for me since they said there is a bug, as some peoples usernames appear in symbols on the launcher.
Please your both dimwitted twat faces. Stop it.
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Austin10831 Posts
On January 29 2005 16:16 ReBanned wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2005 16:01 kCiNNiCk wrote: STFU you loud mouthed american bastard.
I used to play ng-i, but for now i'm only play WGT. PGT doesnt work for me since they said there is a bug, as some peoples usernames appear in symbols on the launcher. Please your both dimwitted twat faces. Stop it.
Smooth.
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On January 29 2005 16:01 kCiNNiCk wrote: STFU you loud mouthed american bastard.
Whoa.

What does his nationality have anything to do with his comment? I take offense to this statement. Insulting nationality shows a great deal of immaturity. It's no different from insulting someone's race.
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pwnedggnore maphacker n00b
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quite simple....
Iraqi Torturing, and the way the americans think their better than everyone else. So i didnt like Kare's cocky attitude.
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You think i maphack? LOL. Im not saying not to use it, but im saying that it works just like a private version of the public hack that it supposedly owns. What in the blue fuck are you talking about?
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^ lol my thoughts exactly.
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-------Close Topic ASAP-------
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On January 29 2005 17:02 kCiNNiCk wrote: quite simple....
Iraqi Torturing, and the way the americans think their better than everyone else. So i didnt like Kare's cocky attitude.
Yeah because it was the American citizens who have no real control over anything the government does doing the torturing. Go fuck yourself man. I'm an Unamerican bastard living and born in the US, and for you to fucking imply that I think I'm better than everyone else from different countries, and that I support whatever our government does shows how much fucking hypocracy you yourself have "Americans think their better than everyone else, therefore I am better than Americans" Good job you dumbass. Buck Fush.
Edit: To be fair, I'll say I'm not siding with either of you in your stupid little bitch arguement. You're both acting like complete morons, I'm not going to bring your age into this, but I'm guessing thats the main factor causing the fighting here.
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On January 29 2005 15:55 karezylilrascal888 wrote: Anyways I play PGTOUR so if you think I hack then you must think the whole anti-hack ladder is whack and false?
If you played THIS game in pgtour, then why the name of the map is just only "Lost Temple" and not PGT-lost temple... ? if you didnt played this game on PGTour, then you cant use this as an excuse.
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Even more proof?
Now US wants to go to war with Iran. Your government keeps this up, no one could imagine what terrorist attacks will be next, and not even UK will help you. We aint that stupid.
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Austin10831 Posts
On January 29 2005 18:10 kCiNNiCk wrote: Even more proof?
Now US wants to go to war with Iran. Your government keeps this up, no one could imagine what terrorist attacks will be next, and not even UK will help you. We aint that stupid.
Nope, you're definitely not stupid. No sir.
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Hmm, because of this guys low post count, the sad thing is he could very well be someone who is known ( maybe just came back to bw and doesnt know about penguin plug) but still gets off as a hacker. Fucking sad though
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geezus, lol, this is freakin sad lol.
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1. American citizens vote Bush 2. Bush sends troops 3. Troops detain and torture Iraqi
Indirectly of course -.,-
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Oh yeh, my opinion on this thread... the thread creator may just be pissing around -,.-
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United States4991 Posts
CyborgZer0 != karezylilrascal888
Also, just b/c Bush got elected doesn't mean all Americans support him.... I certainly don't, and I'm sure many other Americans on tl.net don't either.
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On January 29 2005 19:55 LaZyScV wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2005 19:29 HnR)Insane wrote: CyborgZer0 != karezylilrascal888
Also, just b/c Bush got elected doesn't mean all Americans support him.... I certainly don't, and I'm sure many other Americans on tl.net don't either. I also don't support Bush.
Same here.
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what the fuck does this have to do with politics? Stop your useless blathering you goofy bitches.
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Republicans use maphacks.
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On January 29 2005 17:02 kCiNNiCk wrote: ...the way the americans think their better than everyone else. Damn, I think... yes, I think I've just been categorized. That would kinda hurt my feelings if I wasn't such an overconfident, cocky American bastard! VIVA LA BUSH!!
LOL
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I support bush. I pay taxes, don't vote and do not demonstrate against him so therefore by inaction I support him.
p.s Talk shit about the iraqi people, they allowed someone to rule them and torture them.
In recent years yugo, and rwanda have had state backed genocides ....please don't be stupid .... it happends, always has and will and should not be what labels an entire nation of people .... it is like masturbating with knives, it is self distructive and stupid.
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Belgium9947 Posts
The only reason the Americans want to invade Iran is because they dont want to ship their army back to the U.S.,so while they're in the region,they might change every country's habits.
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On January 29 2005 22:17 n00bsaibot wrote: Republicans use maphacks.
interesting thought ^^ (no, i dont want to start a knew wave of politics discussions, its just a joke....)
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