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BinaryStar
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Afghanistan669 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-01-25 15:42:28
January 25 2005 11:57 GMT
#1
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200501/200501240027.html

Invasion of Privacy Degrades Korean Women Twice Over

Before the “entertainment x-file” hit cyberspace, the hot issue among local Netizens was a post by an English teacher in Korea who wrote that local women treated him like a king and were easy to sleep with. Oddly, however, it was not predatory foreign men who came under attack as a result but Korean women.

On Saturday, the Chosun Ilbo met with the 28-year-old manager of a club near Hongik University. She had become another victim of character assassination by Internet when photos her and eight regular customers taken at a party began making their way around the web. It was a “sexy costume party” held at her Mary Jane club last November. Some 70 percent of the participants were Korean men and women, while the rest were foreign men and women.

"Two customers were on the verge of quitting their jobs, and another was seeking psychiatric counseling,” she said Saturday. “Another customer had a job offer taken away. Our club is preparing to close. This is clearly an act of murder."

In mid-December, photos from the party were posted on English Spectrum, a website frequented by foreign English teachers working in Korea. They had been taken by some of the foreigners who attended the party and depicted Korean women and Western men dancing together in a suggestive way, Korean women revealing their breasts or underwear, as well as Western men and Korean women touching and kissing.

The photos escaped public scrutiny until 10 days ago, when they sparked an outcry at the height of the cyberspace hysteria about "foreign teachers degrading Korean women." Several inflammatory comments posted on English Spectrum by English teachers living in Korea even lead to the formation of a movement to expel foreign teachers from the peninsula. When the photos were discovered, it was like pouring oil on an open fire.

Online rage switched targets from foreign men to the Korean women in the photos. Some online media described the pictures as "scenes of women openly enjoying sex with foreigners." These stories were often accompanied by malicious comments like, "Whores, are Western bastards that good?" and, "The English you learn from selling yourself is body language, not real English." Even more frightening was that calls for the women's names, work places, email addresses and phone numbers to be made public were promptly answered.

The club manager describes the pain that followed as "trampling on her life." "I get anonymous threatening phone calls at the club all the time. 'Why don't whores like you just die quietly,' 'Foreigners' whore! Why don't you shut down your club?' 'We will hold a picket demonstration in front of your club'... I get nervous anytime I hear the phone ring."

A 27-year old also in the pictures said, "It's true that I enjoy dancing to relieve stress, but isn't it going overboard to treat me like a whore?" Fighting back tears, she said, "My co-workers point at me behind my back… "I don't know how they got my email address, but I get tons of emails with frightening titles, so I don't even turn on my computer these days." Another girl pictured said she was offered a secretarial position in early January, but because of the photos, the job offer was withdrawn.

The same paradox - of the victims of Internet revelations being degraded again in vicious Internet attacks - was also at play when Korean entertainers were attacked following the publication of unsubstantiated rumors about them in the "x-file." Meanwhile, there is no word on whether the men who left the degrading comments on the site were ever held accountable.

The victims are suing the Internet media behind publication of the pictures. Their lawyer Im Sang-hyeok said, "Just as the tsunamis in South Asia left wretched survivors in their wake, Korean women were left as victims in the places swept by excessive Internet enthusiasm."

(Shin Ji-eun, ifyouare@chosun.com )


What do you think about this? Personally I think it's pretty sick for the foreign teachers to do this. It's sad when our country attracts these foreigners because they see the women here as easy sluts, because they see our country as some sort of oriental whorehouse. To add injury to insult, they post the personal information online? That is just plain fucking evil, and I just hope there is some law that protects Korean citizens/foreign residents against it.

One girl (surely more) have had job offers rescinded, and another woman is about to close down her business because of this. A lot of them have had their social lives ruined because the pictures were exposed. Yeah, freedom of speech, blah blah blah, can't regulate the internet, blah blah blah, but there has to be at least something against posting personal information like that online without consent. Also, if you take a step away from the law, you can see just how fucking evil it was for them to do this. Illegal or not it's unethical and wrong, and it's shocking that they can do this to people.

Then again, I really doubt anything will happen to the foreign teachers. They'll just go hide in their embassy, or just leave the country or something. I doubt they would be prosecuted by their actions in their own countries, and I'm fairly sure they won't be extradited to be prosecuted in Korea.

I know that not all foreigners are like this in Korea. I'm pretty sure (or at least hope) that such foreigners are the minority. I don't think it's bad that foreigners get laid a lot. Hey, good for them. It just angers me when they start making webpages for the purpose of degrading the women that chose to sleep with them or something. Korea gives them jobs, and they insult and degrade her women. --;

Then again, I'm also angry about how unaccepting Korean culture is about promiscuity in women (don't really know how the situation is with men, but my guess is that it doesn't really matter). Hopefully things will change as younger generations begins to set new social standards.
blinkhme
Profile Joined April 2003
Australia67 Posts
January 25 2005 14:05 GMT
#2
"Then again, I'm also angry about how unaccepting Korean culture is about promiscuity in women (don't really know how the situation is with men, but my guess is that it doesn't really matter). Hopefully things will change as younger generations begins to set new social standards."

Maybe you will understand the hatred they feel once you see that these foreigners get treated so well just because of the skin color , and that a majority of these people are rejects of their countries, (ie would be nerds in their countries , loners etc) who come over and instantly get a huge social status ( i know this for a fact based on my experiences) .. Also I am constantly disgusted by the fact that alot of these foreigners who are middle age or old fucks can easily hit it with the younger women(because of money and status) I know it doesnt apply to just foreigners but alot of times , it does ... obviously that makes us jealous as local people, not saying that it is justified for the actions made in the article you mentioned but I sure as hell wouldnt put all the blame at just the korean people

Its really sad that this is happening in alot of Asian countries, and I feel it is really weird that when us Asians go to foreign countries, (not all) but alot of time we get racist treatment etc. It just sucks, and sometimes I really feel that it is because of these Asian people that look up to foreigners too much that other Asian people get put down easily because the foreigners wouldnt respect us as much...
^^
rplant
Profile Joined May 2003
United States1178 Posts
January 25 2005 14:23 GMT
#3
I think it's pretty shocking that was such an outrage about a few suggestive pictures. Sounds like a case of extreme masculine insecurity...
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Arbiter[frolix]
Profile Joined January 2004
United Kingdom2674 Posts
January 25 2005 14:24 GMT
#4
Unfortunately it is people generally who are 'fucked up' rather than specifically foreign teachers.
We are vigilant.
Bard
Profile Joined November 2004
Jamaica898 Posts
January 25 2005 14:45 GMT
#5
it's usual korean internet fever

spreads really really quickly and widely but it also dies out quick


what happens the guy who beat up by navy academy students?

what happens the girl who got raped by a teacher?

what happend two girl ran over by us military vehicle?

what happened the woman badly treated by japanese airline?

what happened two girls who got raped by 40 high school students for 1 year?



the list goes on, korean people got really mad at those accidents but no one pay attention after several days or weeks




no one will remember those women... in few weeks and they will get new jobs, go club and dance again with breasts out
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EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
January 25 2005 15:02 GMT
#6
On January 25 2005 23:45 Bard wrote:
no one will remember those women... in few weeks and they will get new jobs, go club and dance again with breasts out


That's the spirit.
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Bizkit
Profile Joined October 2002
Sweden1137 Posts
January 25 2005 15:28 GMT
#7
I dont realy see the harm in this article, its just some pervert who put up some "wild" party pictures? whats all the wuzz ?
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Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
January 25 2005 15:41 GMT
#8
the guy who posted that online is pretty fucking sad

he must have small balls
why so 진지해?
Hautamaki
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Canada1311 Posts
January 25 2005 15:48 GMT
#9
what the hell, who cares? Why is there such a huge public outcry over this? What's the big deal? Like, it's wrong for women to be sleeping with foreigners just because they're foreign or something? No matter how you slice it, that's a racist double standard.
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Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
January 25 2005 15:52 GMT
#10
korean men have small jajis, so they don't like the foreign men
why so 진지해?
Hautamaki
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Canada1311 Posts
January 25 2005 15:54 GMT
#11
hey bizkit, change your sig =p
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Chibi[OWNS]
Profile Joined May 2003
United Kingdom10597 Posts
January 25 2005 16:15 GMT
#12
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Bizkit
Profile Joined October 2002
Sweden1137 Posts
January 25 2005 16:18 GMT
#13
On January 26 2005 00:54 Hautamaki wrote:
hey bizkit, change your sig =p
omg I just realized thanks TT
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33432 Posts
January 25 2005 16:22 GMT
#14
yeah, koreans are silly :O
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33432 Posts
January 25 2005 16:22 GMT
#15
and openly racist too
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ScoliosiS
Profile Joined December 2003
283 Posts
January 25 2005 17:19 GMT
#16
loooool




hi wax
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Fester
Profile Joined February 2003
Australia260 Posts
January 25 2005 17:41 GMT
#17
lol i use to visit that website~ and it was just a fun forum called "ask the playboy" where white guys asked questions about korean women etc/problems with korean women and this guy would answer there. There where a couple of other guys on the forum that thought they where playboys also so they would post stories about there nights out. He use to have these parties in itaewon but like 2 months ago they moved them to hongdae because there are more people clubbing there and that club "mary jane" sponsered the event. So to get people to come they would have a most sexy compitition(like $1000 for the winner) and some of the girls where dancing on the pool table etc(think that is the girl that got photographed) to try and win. I never actually went to one of these parties but people from the party took pictures and uploaded them on the website (there where photos of guys and girls). Anyway its kinda the girls fault~ if she never wanted to be photograghed she shoulda never gone there and danced 3/4 naked on the pool table. Anyway 1 day i went to the website and i dont know how many korean guys(maybe just 1) had spammed the fuck outa the forum(like 300 pages of "yankee fuck go home" and all this other shit about yankees") then like 2 days they deleted the playboy forum then another 2 days after that the whole website was closed.

About 2 weeks ago there was ment to be a big thing in hongdae where all these korean guys where gonna go to hongdae and bash any white guys that where with korean girls... but nothing every happened and most white people think its just internet geeks that are sitting behind there pc all pissed off because they cant get any korean ass.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28690 Posts
January 25 2005 17:46 GMT
#18
in other news

http://www.bitterasianmen.com/

asia needs more PE
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BinaryStar
Profile Joined November 2004
Afghanistan669 Posts
January 25 2005 18:28 GMT
#19
Hmm, after thinking about it a bit I'm not so mad about the whole picture posting thing, but I am pretty angry about the posting of personal information. I think divulging personal information like that is crossing the line. It's like if the producers of Girls Gone Wild chose to put the phone numbers and addresses of the girls featured there. Then again I wonder why the other Koreans care so much, even enough to insult and threaten them. I think this is only a big deal because the women actually were hurt by it, not because of what they did specifically (minus the posting of private information).

Anyway I'm no bitter Asian man ^^. I don't care that foreigners get Korean ass--good for them. I get it too. Though I have noticed that Asian girls tend to find me more attractive than do white/latino/black girls, which I found to be odd --;.
8882
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
2718 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-01-25 19:51:33
January 25 2005 19:04 GMT
#20
Rekrul said they have small jajis (how did he learn that???)
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BinaryStar
Profile Joined November 2004
Afghanistan669 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-01-25 19:11:46
January 25 2005 19:10 GMT
#21
On January 26 2005 04:04 8882 wrote:
hmm I think a typical korean male wakes up, eats a dog, goes to work/school, comes from work, eats a cat, plays starcraft, goes to bed
I think that's why korean woman find the korean man unatractive

and Rekrul said they have small jajis (how did he learn that???)


Are all Poles dickheads like you? No wonder Hitler wanted to rape you fuckers ^^.

are you implying that you wouldn't do it, if you could? hmm, dude you dont have the balls, no girl will want you


No, I'm not. Did you read the whole post, or any of my other posts? I've basically said that I'm not mad about the foreigners hooking up with Korean women. But it is a sad thing when foreigners see your country's women super easy to get with, it's an obviously negative stereotype. Or would you be okay with Polish women being considered sluts?

And I do have girls that want me, so don't worry about me.
Fester
Profile Joined February 2003
Australia260 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-01-25 19:11:13
January 25 2005 19:10 GMT
#22
to be honest white people think all asian girls are sluts ? korean would prob be 1 of the last tho~ im sure there is alot more talk about japanese/thai/singapore girls than korean girls.

and i think that asian guys think white girls are sluts also.
8882
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
2718 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-01-25 19:51:12
January 25 2005 19:33 GMT
#23
a lot of club girls in every country are easy, ok, in all countries I visited
plus the text doesnt say that the 'foreign' teachers came to korean because the korean woman are sluts
actually the fact that the woman were threatened is rather disturbing
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Arbiter[frolix]
Profile Joined January 2004
United Kingdom2674 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-01-25 19:59:19
January 25 2005 19:44 GMT
#24
I am putting you on warning now, stop the disgusting insults or you will both be gone. This thread is a sad spectacle in more ways than one.
We are vigilant.
Fester
Profile Joined February 2003
Australia260 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-01-25 20:15:16
January 25 2005 20:11 GMT
#25
im sure there are the same amount of sluts in every country =/ just korean people decide to ignore it. even tho the sex indrusty is top 3 in korea ?
Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
January 25 2005 20:35 GMT
#26
what's sad is he didn't get any
OOH THEY DANCED AROUND OOH
JAM THE FUCKER!
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-01-25 20:56:18
January 25 2005 20:53 GMT
#27
On January 26 2005 04:10 BinaryStar wrote:
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On January 26 2005 04:04 8882 wrote:
hmm I think a typical korean male wakes up, eats a dog, goes to work/school, comes from work, eats a cat, plays starcraft, goes to bed
I think that's why korean woman find the korean man unatractive

and Rekrul said they have small jajis (how did he learn that???)


Are all Poles dickheads like you? No wonder Hitler wanted to rape you fuckers ^^.

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are you implying that you wouldn't do it, if you could? hmm, dude you dont have the balls, no girl will want you


No, I'm not. Did you read the whole post, or any of my other posts? I've basically said that I'm not mad about the foreigners hooking up with Korean women. But it is a sad thing when foreigners see your country's women super easy to get with, it's an obviously negative stereotype. Or would you be okay with Polish women being considered sluts?

And I do have girls that want me, so don't worry about me.

First of all, that was so obviously a joke.. And your joke retort about Hitler.. Let's just say that was in much worse taste than his -_-

Second of all, unlike some people, I don't have this 'hive-mentality' thing where if someone insults a swede I should suddenly take it as if someone was insulting me/someone I cared about --;

I'd think anyone saying that is an ignorance twat for stereotyping 50% of a country's population. Would make no (or close to) distinction between an insult towards swedes and an insult towards qatarians ( wtf not like I know how to write people from Qatar in plural form).
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
January 25 2005 21:12 GMT
#28
On January 26 2005 02:46 Liquid`Drone wrote:
in other news

http://www.bitterasianmen.com/

asia needs more PE

Greatest site ever.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33432 Posts
January 25 2005 23:01 GMT
#29
when FA dreams, he dreams of being a Korean
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G-$$$
Profile Joined March 2003
United States186 Posts
January 26 2005 03:25 GMT
#30
It seems to me it was koreans who saw the pictures who posted the girl's information, not the foreigners.
Online rage switched targets from foreign men to the Korean women in the photos. Some online media described the pictures as "scenes of women openly enjoying sex with foreigners." These stories were often accompanied by malicious comments like, "Whores, are Western bastards that good?" and, "The English you learn from selling yourself is body language, not real English." Even more frightening was that calls for the women's names, work places, email addresses and phone numbers to be made public were promptly answered.


That whole paragraph is about the korean's response, so I think my reading is valid. Anyway, seems like the koreans are more fucked up than the teachers (in response to the original post).
[BOyGiRl]ShaRp
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (S)1912 Posts
January 26 2005 03:35 GMT
#31
Hey Koreans aren't fucked up its just difference of culture fuckers. Those kind of pictures aren't common in Korea so its naturally shocking.
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[BOyGiRl]ShaRp
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (S)1912 Posts
January 26 2005 03:35 GMT
#32
and someone please close this thread this is depressing
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