The slop3 show, on the swedish esport site rakaka.se, attacks Naniwa in the latest episode. Slop3 is mighty angry.
Is Naniwas bad manner back in full force? What does Dignitas say about this?
Perhaps Slop3 is a counter strike drama queen and doesn't know what he is talking about?
Translation of slop3s rant
There is an idiot out there, an idiot! His name is, wait for it, Naniwa.
Wo wo wo, let us put this in perspective. Is Naniwa a good SC2 player? Obviously, he can perform!
I have seen that he can perform, but the question is if you can behave any way you want just because of that?
To a certain degree, yes, I even like if you have a bit of an attitude and can talk back. But I think that, and I might be wrong, that Naniwa has gone way to far this time and needs a reality check and should be banned from further tournament play because of the way he is behaving.
I haven’t had that much contact with Naniwa, I haven’t met him IRL, I have only seen what happened behind the scenes at the “The road to Korea” tournament (Hosted by rakaka.se & Logitech).
I ask myself what is so wrong with him, what is so screwed up in his head, what is wrong with him mentally, that makes him have such a fucking bad attitude about everything!
I don’t think he’s got such a big head that he thinks it’s ok to behave the way he does, to say exactly whatever he wants, without it having any consequences. Has he had these kind of problems before, yes, he have been kicked from teams, been banned from LANs, been in fights, it is common knowledge that he behaves like a fucking idiot.
Ask yourself, why doesn’t Naniwa live with TLO and the gang (In the pro house)? Is it because he is such a close friend or what? He certainly lives up to expectations, He can fucking play for sure.
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In the TSL finals he screamed to the caster that he should leave the game because of lag. (GET OUT CHILL) Yea, I think that they fly both of you swedes to New York so you can ask the caster to leave, and the games won’t be able to be aired at all! That is why they do it, so you just ask them to leave the game Naniwa!
You can also read on teamliquid, in the interview, the question “How do you have handle all this, isn’t it much with all the tournaments etc.?” And Naniwa replys that we, rakaka, weren’t flexible enough for his taste and couldn’t solve his problems in a nice and easy way.
Weren’t we flexible, Naniwa? It took us TWO weeks to play your matches; you had no time at all during that time to play. And after that you think it’s strange that we are forcing you to play the finals on the date it’s supposed to be played?? And you know what, I’m so fucking glad that you didn’t win and got the trip to Korea!
It might seem strange, that we that like conflicts and stuff react like this. But sometimes enough is enough!! (he puts it in a strange way in Swedish) I’m not allowed to say what Naniwa said and did behind the scenes during the “Road to Korea” tournament and you might never know, but I feel that such behavior demands consequences.
You can sit out there and scream how much you want about how Naniwa can act like this because he is a good player, but if I would organize a tournament I would never, NEVER, give the guy an invite. It could be Dreamhack, TSL, GSL, I wouldn’t have him. There are so many players out there, with good attitude.
I wish that I could tell you about what level this is on, so you could understand why I have this frustration against this person (Naniwa).
Take my word for it, or don’t give a fuck!
cArn, the captain of the cs1.6 team of fNatic and the blonde guy in the beginning of the video, is not slop3. cArn is a guest on the show.
well it would be great if there would be any consequence for such bm players like Naniwa. But unforunately bm is so tolerated in sc2 that nobody ever thinks of banning players like Naniwa because of their bm
Nani fighting! Honestly, slop3 should calm down and approach the situation in a more rational way. He just seems to be an impolite, childisch guy. I think they just want to draw attention on their silly show.
I’m not allowed to say what Naniwa said and did behind the scenes during the “Road to Korea” tournament and you might never know, but I feel that such behavior demands consequences.
Well, since he can't tell us, there is no point in discussing this, really. Either you believe him, the person who has met Naniwa and worked with him, or you believe your own image of Naniwa.
idk man I saw that and laughed. Some people just can't find the humor in situations. Yeah it was a serious situation but still it's just humorous, something you look back on 3 months later and laugh about.
"DUDE you remember that time you were casting naniwa and he's like flipping out over lag and he's just like CHILL GET OUT dude what a guy" idk etc
To a certain degree, yes, I even like if you have a bit of an attitude and can talk back. But I think that, and I might be wrong, that Naniwa has gone way to far this time and needs a reality check and should be banned from further tournament play because of the way he is behaving.
In this text he tried to temper facts about how TSL is broadcasted. Or he's probably got no idea what he's talking about. In both cases, he is just enviously venting. So, nothing happened, basically.
I thought the way Naniwa acted when Chill was lagging in the TSL was a little off but I think he would have had to have acted a whole lot worse than that in the Road to Korea tourny to warrant a response like this...
I hear bad things about Naniwa but what examples are there of things he's actually done? (legitimately curious)
The casters of the final also elluded there had been stuff going on behind the scenes. Naniwa probably cursed someone out or something like that and they got butt hurt about it.
And honestly, if you are going to call for a player to get banned from all tournaments you better give damn good reasons.
It's silly because any player in any other tournament would say the same thing if a caster lagged in a game, yet people think it's BM? ridiculous, it was like the third lag spike that he put caps on too.. Fully behind naniwa on this one.
slop3 is right in many ways, naniwa have a very bad attitude.. And I guess he's just tired because he had to deal with naniwa in the "road to korea" tournament which he held together with rakaka. + Show Spoiler +
-parents kicked him out of home -constantly late to scheduled games in tournaments -kicked out of EPS because of this -TLO dont want him in Stockholm house (for no reason?) -constantly BM towards opponents/admins and spectators
On May 17 2011 18:15 Telcontar wrote: I'd like to hear this guy's take on IdrA.
slop3 has nothing against players talking shit, but players who make organizers job so much harder and acting like douches 24/7
To sum up slop3's post: That man is really, really bad, I can't tell you why, but you have to trust me cause I am some random person on the internet. /drama
he wanted chill to leave cause it's a big game and no-one wants lag, but he accepted the decision to try to continue and it was thorzain who eventually told chill it was still bad.
unless i'm missing something outside of the game, i really don't see what the big deal is. it's not like he raged about the lag losing him the match then hid pylons and refused to gg!
On May 17 2011 18:15 Endymion wrote: It's silly because any player in any other tournament would say the same thing if a caster lagged in a game, yet people think it's BM? ridiculous, it was like the third lag spike that he put caps on too.. Fully behind naniwa on this one.
That's why some tournaments have strict rules about posting stuff in games except gllhf and gg or asking for pause. Personally I think this would be a good idea. If there is a problem, just pause the game and solve it behind the scenes so we get spared of all this useless drama.
I don’t think he’s got such a big head that he thinks it’s ok to behave the way he does, to say exactly whatever he wants, without it having any consequences. Has he had these kind of problems before, yes, he have been kicked from teams, been banned from LANs, been in fights, it I common knowledge that he behaves like a fucking idiot.
I’m not allowed to say what Naniwa said and did behind the scenes during the “Road to Korea” tournament and you might never know, but I feel that such behavior demands consequences.
Well, since he can't tell us, there is no point in discussing this, really. Either you believe him, the person who has met Naniwa and worked with him, or you believe your own image of Naniwa.
WTF are u talking about, he said himself that he never worked or met Naniwa IRL, stop making up ur own stuff just to troll Naniwa, douchebag.
One thing, the "CHILL GET OUT", am i the only one thinking that he didnt hit shift and typed it. It was probably him having accidentally hit caps lock earlier and then just typed out that he wanted chill to leave due to lagg?
i think players should always have the RIGHTS to play in their most comfort environment to perform in their top shape. I think any casters in that situation should just leave the game themself and cast the replays if needed. Ofc we have Day9 there to save the day but yeah....
Also blame it on blizzard: Do you really want LAN support?
I’m not allowed to say what Naniwa said and did behind the scenes during the “Road to Korea” tournament and you might never know, but I feel that such behavior demands consequences. ...
Take my word for it, or don’t give a fuck!
Well, it's I don't give a fuck in this case. Some random ranting about Naniwa will not cause me to judge him differently because there is nothing to judge about if I don't know what happened. I have seen Naniwa behave poorly on stream and I can see him being a problematic person but some random ranting in a video without any substantial information is too stupid to be taken seriously.
The blonde guy, that is Patrick Sattermon, aka Carn aka the in game leader for team fnatic's counterstrike team. He is EXTREMELY well mannered and an extremely well spoken person, I would like to believe that he is makign this video sarcastically or jokingly =\
Does anyone know what he specifically says? Because I can't imagine he would BM another professional gamer, especially since he is from the CS 1.6 community.
There is an idiot out there, an idiot! His name is, wait for it, Naniwa.
Wo wo wo, let us put this in perspective. Is Naniwa a good SC2 player? Obviously, he can perform!
I have seen that he can perform, but the question is if you can behave any way you want just because of that?
To a certain degree, yes, I even like if you have a bit of an attitude and can talk back. But I think that, and I might be wrong, that Naniwa has gone way to far this time and needs a reality check and should be banned from further tournament play because of the way he is behaving.
I haven’t had that much contact with Naniwa, I haven’t meet him IRL, I have only seen what happened behind the scenes at the “The road to Korea” tournament (Hosted by rakaka.se & Logitech). I ask myself what is so wrong with him, what is so screwed up in his head, what is wrong with him mentally, that makes him have such a fucking bad attitude about everything!
I don’t think he’s got such a big head that he thinks it’s ok to behave the way he does, to say exactly whatever he wants, without it having any consequences. Has he had these kind of problems before, yes, he have been kicked from teams, been banned from LANs, been in fights, it I common knowledge that he behaves like a fucking idiot. Ask yourself, why doesn’t Naniwa live with TLO and the gang (In the pro house)? Is it because he is such a close friend or what? He certainly lives up to expectations, He can fucking play for sure.
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In the TSL finals he screamed to the caster that he should leave the game because of lag. (GET OUT CHILL) Yea, I think that they fly both of you swedes to New York so you can ask the caster to leave, and the games won’t be able to be aired at all! That is why they do it, so you just ask them to leave the game Naniwa! You can also read on teamliquid, in the interview, the question “How do you have handle all this, isn’t it much with all the tournaments etc.?” And Naniwa replys that we, rakaka, weren’t flexible enough for his taste and couldn’t solve his problems in a nice and easy way.
Weren’t we flexible, Naniwa? It took us TWO weeks to play your matches; you had no time at all during that time to play. And after that you think it’s strange that we are forcing you to play the finals on the date it’s supposed to be played?? And you know what, I’m so fucking glad that you didn’t win and got the trip to Korea! It might seem strange, that we that like conflicts and stuff react like this. But sometimes enough is enough!! (he puts it in a strange way in Swedish) I’m not allowed to say what Naniwa said and did behind the scenes during the “Road to Korea” tournament and you might never know, but I feel that such behavior demands consequences.
You can sit out there and scream how much you want about how Naniwa can act like this because he is a good player, but if I would organize a tournament I would never, NEVER, give the guy an invite. It could be Dreamhack, TSL, GSL, I wouldn’t have him. There are so many players out there, with good attitude. I wish that I could tell you about what level this is on, so you could understand why I have this frustration against this person (Naniwa).
So because they are desperate for attention and some hits you decided to give it to them , please lock this before kelly thread #2. Nobody cares about naniwa's manners but his sc2 skills , anything else is just pure drama stirring. The reason sports are so big is because of the human factor and the emotions it brings , w/o them i dont think it could be a sport at all. Not to mention the fact that every sport has its white and black horses,not to mention that in the real world sport most of them are black and ill mannered. Deal with it.
Slop3 sounds like a attention whore who simply doesn't understand the pressure they where under, so of course he gonna be pissed of about the lag and simply request chill to leave (who is stupid enough to leave irc open while casting).
On May 17 2011 18:22 Zlasher wrote: The blonde guy, that is Patrick Sattermon, aka Carn aka the in game leader for team fnatic's counterstrike team. He is EXTREMELY well mannered and an extremely well spoken person, I would like to believe that he is makign this video sarcastically or jokingly =\
Does anyone know what he specifically says? Because I can't imagine he would BM another professional gamer, especially since he is from the CS 1.6 community.
Watch the vid, it's not Carn ranting. Rant starts @ 11:00 or so.
Simply make rules how to act when a caster starts lagging in big online-tournaments, then this doesnt happen, of course naniwa s reaction was understandable, he was in the middle of a push in a 15000$ - game.
People are seriously taking the chill get out ordeal way to seriously, it was all over reddit etc. naniwas actions were kind of rude but 100% justified, he was playing the last game of a B07 for 15k, i would be aggravated to.
I wont defend naniwas past and previous actions, but people seriously need thicker skin when it comes to things like that.
I didn't mind the telling of chill to get out of the game, people like HuK are notorious for having exaggeratedly short fuses when it comes to spectators lagging in a match that is being broadcast.
Most people that have been following starcraft know at least, or have heard of, Naniwa being seemingly erratic from time to time with his behavior, and the risks and rewards are very well known.
On one hand, he is one of the best competitors in sc2, always showing good games and solid play, being an easy player to follow and count on to win. He has been constantly making finals of the biggest tournaments available to him, with a winning streak and record to boot that seems inhuman. The guy is a performer, simply put.
On the other hand, he has had a history of questionable behavior, and continues to have that stigma. He is definitely one to express his emotions without taking into consideration who he may be representing at times. It is good that he feels so strongly about being the best player possible, but lacks good judgement when making remarks in the public eye (or behind the scenes, for that matter).
People know what they are getting into whenever Naniwa becomes part of the equation.
I don't know much about Naniwa, but i certainly didn't like they way he acted against commentator, chill in this case, who've done way more for this community and eSport then most of players out there, even players as good as Naniwa. Not that i gonna hate any player for that, but it definitely influenced my perception of Naniwa. You argue that that were final games, a lot of stress and pressure, but i think at high level the first thing you should learn is to fully control you emotions.
Isn't that cArn the captain of the cs1.6 team of fNatic? He's very manner but this is just stepping out of his zone. Edit: Ok apparently he doesn't talk, sorry bro! Kinda dodged the vid a little because I wouldn't be able to understand Swedish.
Because I've heard the GET OUT thing come up before. Most really don't care and I'll shed some light on why I think so.
In Europe, there have been the most online weekly cups. Zotac, CraftCup, Go4Sc2. These have been watched and played in a lot. Because of the nature of bnet, it happens too many people spectate, or too many different people stream the games. This leads to many disconnects, drops of people etc. It has become common practice to "scream" GET OUT. Because there are so many clowns who in the first place shouldn't even want to be spectating, rather watching the stream like everyone else. Tons of people have made themselves guilty of this. So that it happened on match point for a 8000 USD map, it's really no big deal.
The competition is most important, everything else comes behind it. That is also why I have no problems with it, it's not a personal thing or a mannerism. They are competitors striving for victory, the blood thirsty warrior of the virtual age. In every sport there are heated moments. It is nothing personal, it means no harm, it only speaks for the desire to win.
Granted there could be things I'm not be aware of. I wouldn't be able to comment on those.
Edit: I'll add in that I felt it was rediculous the Road to Korea which is a huge event was played when NaNi just got to NYC. The Road has been taken place for many weeks now and to get all the way to the end and play the finals in bad conditions is unbelievable. There is no second place, only first place and going to Korea. If this was poor planning, I'll drag Dignitas management into this. I don't know at all how it works but for things like this I feel it's the teams that should be the ones planning and helping, it's not the players job and shouldn't be done by them. Obviously I have no grounds to base this last thing on because I have no insight.
This is just kindergarden.. attack someone in public without saying anything what happend.
The "CHILL GET OUT" in TSL was not the nicest words.. But it was the Final game for winning a 15000$ tournament (not a small SWE Tournament) and Chill had not just a second lag. He lagged crazy and it was not even fun to watch!
On May 17 2011 18:29 Gooey wrote:Most people that have been following starcraft know at least, or have heard of, Naniwa being seemingly erratic from time to time with his behavior, and the risks and rewards are very well known.
He is lucky that people only heard about him because of sc. His behavior during w3 times was even worse than now.
i don't think anyone blamed Naniwa for wanting chill out of the game. Lag is especiallay annoying and when 15,000$ is on the line you can't really blame him.
On May 17 2011 18:15 Endymion wrote: It's silly because any player in any other tournament would say the same thing if a caster lagged in a game, yet people think it's BM? ridiculous, it was like the third lag spike that he put caps on too.. Fully behind naniwa on this one.
That's why some tournaments have strict rules about posting stuff in games except gllhf and gg or asking for pause. Personally I think this would be a good idea. If there is a problem, just pause the game and solve it behind the scenes so we get spared of all this useless drama.
Well just feedback for the next TSL I guess, I'm fully in favor of kespa regulations because they cover most of these "awkward" situations.
Well i never take anything i read on Rakaka.se seriously. To say the least, its not the most serious news-site (more than half the articles have names miss-spelled or just plain wrong facts). But it would be kind of interessting to hear what NaNi did during the road to korea hehe.
If you disregard the TSL3 bullshit, all he has to say is "So naniwa is BM because of how he treated us during the road to korea tourney, but I won't tell you what it is because it is secret; you'll have to trust me."
It's obvious that naniwa has a temper, and it's not like that is going to change because he started winning. Dunno what happened with the road to korea thing, but since he seems to assume that the whole "GET OUT" thing was personal he doesn't seem very believable.
I'm sure there's a place in the SC2 community for players who get upset as well. Everyone can't be nice all the time.
Talking about the TSL is not appropriate, if chill is fine with that then everybody has to be fine with it. BUT if there is some serious issues between them, he has to talk, we can't judge without any details.
Screen or it didn't happen, that's the rule on the internet.
who the hell is this slop3 guy?? he should get slapped and change his name to slap3. what is the starcraft games gonna do with this guy from the CS community??
On May 17 2011 18:13 flodeskum wrote: Most people on here felt the same about naniwa before he started winning things.
LOL That's so true and exactly what I am thinking. But it seems when a player is winning he can do whatever he wants. I really want to believe he changed his mind but we'll see it when he starts losing again.
On May 17 2011 18:15 Endymion wrote: It's silly because any player in any other tournament would say the same thing if a caster lagged in a game, yet people think it's BM? ridiculous, it was like the third lag spike that he put caps on too.. Fully behind naniwa on this one.
That's why some tournaments have strict rules about posting stuff in games except gllhf and gg or asking for pause. Personally I think this would be a good idea. If there is a problem, just pause the game and solve it behind the scenes so we get spared of all this useless drama.
Well just feedback for the next TSL I guess, I'm fully in favor of kespa regulations because they cover most of these "awkward" situations.
lol kespa-regulation for tsl would be the most terrible idea ever tbh...
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