• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 15:04
CET 21:04
KST 05:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1812Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises1Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !11Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4
StarCraft 2
General
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises Starcraft 2 Zerg Coach ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !
Tourneys
OSC Season 13 World Championship $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play
Brood War
General
(UMS) SWITCHEROO *New* /Destination Edit/ BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ I would like to say something about StarCraft What monitor do you use for playing Remastered? BW General Discussion
Tourneys
SLON Grand Finals – Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] LB SemiFinals - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] WB & LB Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Mechabellum Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 12 Days of Starcraft Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
National Diversity: A Challe…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1387 users

[D] With regards to balancing Psi Storm.

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Durn
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada360 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 10:25:17
November 16 2010 10:24 GMT
#1
I've been seeing a lot of T and Z players jump onto the ZOMG NERF PSI STORM. ITS SO OP.
Then the P players being like UH ZOMG, ARE YOU 4 SRS? P IS DOING SO BAD IN ALL TOURNAMENTS.

Then pages of QQ and no real solid statements are made. Just poor arguments on either side.

It is important to consider the race as a whole and not to think of a certain ability defining a race. For instance:

Nerfing Psi Storm will not affect Protoss's current problem. Psi Storm's imbalance (if you can call it that) is a late-game abusive tactic that is hard for players to manage.
Nerfing it will only change that particular portion of the game. However, for all the Protoss players who have been losing, or have been seeing the Pro Protosses losing... do you really see Psi Storm as being the fundamental mechanic you are needing most to survive?
Having been a Diamond Protoss player who switched to being a Diamond Zerg (after the roach patch lolololol), I definitely can agree from both sides of the matchup that:

A) As a Protoss player with 8 Warpgates and 3 bases and 20 minutes into the game with Amulet Templars, I feel truly invincible. While other races are struggling with mobility and harass, you can shutdown most any push warping in 2 templars, storming, and waiting for your 1a2a3a army to arrive back into position.

B) As a Zerg player, I feel the frustration of showing up at an unguarded expansion with ~20 Hydralisks, and knowing full well when I push into it, there's going to be Psionic DEATH waiting for me.

C) I cannot speak of Terran's frustration too much, but from what I've seen, they are suffering just as much.

Now, that being said, what are you ACTUALLY SAYING?
I'm saying that Protoss' problem stems not from their late game, but from their early transition into midgame. I'm saying that people countering "Psi Storm needs to be nerfed" with "BUT PROTOSS IS DOING SO POORLY" is a completely disregardable counter with no substance.

In no way am I really sure if Psi Storm needs to be balanced, it's just a huge misconception that has been frustrating me for days when the argument INEVITABLY COMES UP in any thread regarding the current state of Protoss.
"Even if I lose 100 games, that's 100 different arrows pointing me in the wrong direction." - Sean Day[9] Plott
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
November 16 2010 10:28 GMT
#2
I agree with everything you said. Protoss' problem is surviving the early game, which has nothing to do with psi storm. Whether it's nerfed or not will not fix the problem that Protoss players have.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12024 Posts
November 16 2010 10:29 GMT
#3
The best way I think they can sort Psi Storm is remove the energy upgrade completely. Having a templar that can warp into the forward pylon and walk forward two steps and storm is so hard to deal with. You think you're finally going to be able to push back and your entire army just gets stormed again.

FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 16 2010 10:29 GMT
#4
While we appreciate you took the time to write this out, it doesn't really bring anything to the table. As such, it will just be another massive balance whine thread - and two of those already exists.
Here's one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165495
Here's the other: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169358
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1d 16h
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 552
JuggernautJason105
BRAT_OK 88
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 17393
EffOrt 376
Aegong 45
Hyun 42
SilentControl 5
Dota 2
syndereN418
LuMiX1
League of Legends
JimRising 377
C9.Mang0190
Counter-Strike
fl0m1290
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu1
Other Games
Grubby5383
Gorgc2670
FrodaN1287
Beastyqt765
DeMusliM233
monkeys_forever120
Mew2King74
Trikslyr56
ZombieGrub30
NarutO 7
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HeavenSC 52
• naamasc239
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 41
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis2181
Other Games
• imaqtpie1950
• WagamamaTV285
• Shiphtur190
Upcoming Events
OSC
1d 16h
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
OSC
2 days
IPSL
2 days
Dewalt vs Bonyth
OSC
2 days
OSC
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Patches Events
4 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-12-29
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W2
Escore Tournament S1: W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Thunderfire SC2 All-star 2025
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
Underdog Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.