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arite I've tested this it works great, just need to cut probes here and there until you place your Fast Expansion, after that probes come back into play.
Begin by going for stalkers, but add a 2nd gate during the Cybernetics Cores construction.
When you are pumping whichever units you want from the two gateways, then cut probes for a few seconds so you can quickly obtain 400 minerals. Expand safely. In this scenario you can even be the aggressor to not show that you are expanding by picking off any incoming scouts. Even without that you can just safely defend your base if you want to sit back.
There is no Supply Count build order for this, just try it out, and kink it up to your own likings. I hope this is helpful. Lastly I cannot play the game atm, because I have no graphics card, I have no replays of it because it was done on my friends comp in which he got robbed for it a few days ago.
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Overview.
2gate+cut probes to expo+2gate+Robo or Stargate.
edit: while the probe cut is in progress, it is up to you to save chrono for probes after placing the expansion, or you can pure use the chrono on the warpgate upgrade.
edit2: and i wish i had my replays to exact this but ill do my best.
9/10 PYLON
13/18 GATEWAY
15/18 GAS
16/18 CYBERNETICS+PYLON (tech warpgates once finished)
ADD 2nd Gateway, while making stalkers, cut probes in order to fast expand.
this is easier to describe if i can play it out, bcus when you are macroing its just natural the way things come. so just macro properly and it might be a bit different. but yeah its the concept that matters here, not the exactness.
After the expansion is placed. Continue to produce Probes, Stalkers, and add 2 more Gateways and a Robotics Facility when you can, or a Stargate if it will counter whatever is ahead of you.
Make Observer, Immortals, or tech Collosus, you will know what you need. (or pheonix/voidray/w.e)
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against what that will lose to:
pvp:
proxy 2gate
proxy 4gate
blink stalker
4gate push
robo 3 gate push
pvt:
banshee tech
every kind of biopush
marine tank push
summary:
every non defensive opponent will crush you
User was warned for this post
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On August 29 2010 04:01 Rea wrote:
against what that will lose to:
pvp:
proxy 2gate
proxy 4gate
blink stalker
4gate push
robo 3 gate push
pvt:
banshee tech
every kind of biopush
marine tank push
summary:
every non defensive opponent will crush you
go try it sonny.  I promise you it works, i have more experience than you.
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On August 29 2010 04:01 Rea wrote:
against what that will lose to:
pvp:
proxy 2gate
proxy 4gate
blink stalker
4gate push
robo 3 gate push
pvt:
banshee tech
every kind of biopush
marine tank push
summary:
every non defensive opponent will crush you
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arite, I will have to ask that anyone who doesn't try this, do not post a response stating it won't work, thanks in advance to those who try it and post replays to the non believers
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You can't FE in PvP. It's been tried to death.
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Ok, let's do this. If you're NA, leave your name and identifier, I'll throw some builds at it and we'll see what happens. Darthturtle.454
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Dostev.286
I would be interested in trying this build out for sure.
Reply to this post when you are ready to play.
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Do you have any replays to back up your claims? because on paper this sounds really really bad, we could be wrong though.
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Might I suggest linking to an uploaded replay on one of the various sites around. You'll back up your statements with facts.
Some things up in the air:
- Were your opponents any good? Early pressure from a good player could cause you much grief and destroy your macro
- A replay would be a good way for people to see the build order before trying to implement it 1st.
- How do the timings align?
- What brackets do you use this in?
I'm willing to give it a try tonight to check it out. A replay is easily uploaded and would detract (or possibly bolster) the comments in this thread.
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13 or 18 gateway?
this build doesnt seem very good at all! or developed.
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just do it and see for yourself please. i have no graphics card, i would love to economically own you bcus of this strategy, you wont obviously use it three ex in a row, because cheese will beat it, but if you are at least a decent player such as myself you will make it work, now go my minions! replying here and bugging for games wont prove it works! I know it works, i reformatted my comp bcus i thought maybe that was the issue sc2 was having not being able to run, i just decided to post this since its a nice start for fast expansions. Thanks for your love and support
~wishbones.218
but u wont be seeing me for while
go thru my matchlist tho you can try to find some there :o thats actually a good idea i guess.. the only proof i have also atm. If i find a computer ill be sure to "make it happen" and post replays though. no doubt about it.
remember to use chrono the proper way, if you see or feel any slight hint of not being able to handle the enemy forces, then insta chrono all over your gateways obviously.
and for anyone going to try this and post a replay, make sure you do 5 games since you will probably mess it up the first few times, like a good joke that you cant tell the right way. and you make it look bad. when it is actually good. so please do practice it before posting your lovely replays.
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On August 29 2010 04:23 a_monkey wrote:
13 or 18 gateway?
this build doesnt seem very good at all! or developed.
of course it is still a work in progress. But i cant fing play  so you guys gotta continue the revolution lol. ive been a toss user since i started playing bw, and i guess it just takes a strong sense of the game to be able to come up with things like this.
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On August 29 2010 04:16 mesapiegrande wrote:Might I suggest linking to an uploaded replay on one of the various sites around. You'll back up your statements with facts. Some things up in the air: - Were your opponents any good? Early pressure from a good player could cause you much grief and destroy your macro
- A replay would be a good way for people to see the build order before trying to implement it 1st.
- How do the timings align?
- What brackets do you use this in?
I'm willing to give it a try tonight to check it out. A replay is easily uploaded and would detract (or possibly bolster) the comments in this thread.
1) early pressure has happened, and with micro you will prevail.
2) i wish i could add wishbones.218 and look at my matchlist ;\
3) if by timings you mean what does he have while im doing this on my end. He has the same as usual, and so do you. Remember you are cutting probes but not fighting units.
4) what do you mean by brackets, i play custom only with people from pages 60 to 68 of the Practice Partner Thread Retail. Its more fun that way since you can bounce ideas off of one another.
+ Show Spoiler [For Terran's Only] +On a side note, try doing 1rax/1fact/cut scv's/expo! its really nice, you get a tiny little eco advantage against terran, its a tvst i made up after watching a friend play his tvst, i was able to think this one up bcus of the P version.
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When I see posts like this, I hope to myself it's a very well-executed troll so that I can think of the person at the other end as an evil genius rather than a blabbering idiot.
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if anyone wants
i can try my best to watch a stream that you have and do a voice chat while you do the build.
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On August 29 2010 04:03 wishbones wrote:go try it sonny. I promise you it works, i have more experience than you.
21 wins/16 losses ≠ experience
trolling pretty hard here
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On August 29 2010 04:23 a_monkey wrote:
13 or 18 gateway?
this build doesnt seem very good at all! or developed.
13 out of 18?
Also, I'm pretty sure it's impossible to FE w/o a forge.
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I open with 2gate in every PvP and apply early Zealot pressure just incase my opponent isn't doing the same. I hope I face you on the ladder.
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you are funny bro
i played ladder for 3 days
so try again sir, mr.27 posts vs 1600 .. cmon now u think im that lame... ask kennigit im a cool dude! he can vouch!
ive never trolled, i guess trolling is trying to stir up a bunch of comotion, but that aint me, i am very confident about my build seeing as ive done it time and time again. like really go AND TRY THE DAMN build <3
edit: going to get my info off bnet directly brb
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You have to 1 base against Toss or Terran until you get stargate/robo units(or if they FE before) in my opinion. I would like a replay to prove what you are saying because i have tried several times and under tiny pressure you can't hold with 2-3 stalkers and 1 zealot.
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On August 29 2010 04:56 wishbones wrote:
you are funny bro
i played ladder for 3 days
so try again sir, mr.27 posts vs 1600 .. cmon now u think im that lame... ask kennigit im a cool dude! he can vouch!
ive never trolled, i guess trolling is trying to stir up a bunch of comotion, but that aint me, i am very confident about my build seeing as ive done it time and time again. like really go AND TRY THE DAMN build <3
Posts doesn't equal experience.
I believe players like Huk and qxc have like 200 some posts on TL?
They must be awful!
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"Got banned a few times, most TL newbies face this. Anywho, re-created an account as GMer, didn't work out very long because I was still a horribad BMer."
i read your profile wishbones and for some reason i still dont trust you.
and ty sjschmidt93. dont usually see it being notated like that.
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On August 29 2010 05:00 sjschmidt93 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 04:56 wishbones wrote:
you are funny bro
i played ladder for 3 days
so try again sir, mr.27 posts vs 1600 .. cmon now u think im that lame... ask kennigit im a cool dude! he can vouch!
ive never trolled, i guess trolling is trying to stir up a bunch of comotion, but that aint me, i am very confident about my build seeing as ive done it time and time again. like really go AND TRY THE DAMN build <3 Posts doesn't equal experience. I believe players like Huk and qxc have like 200 some posts on TL? They must be awful!
what does this have to do with my build please dont trash thread, PM me about stupidity <3.
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Dostev and I give this build a try.
Our conclusion is that even a Korean that forgets the 10 gate and throws it down at 13 after the assimilator can still win in this position.
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anyways im glad to keep this build to myself admin close!
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On August 29 2010 05:01 wishbones wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 05:00 sjschmidt93 wrote:On August 29 2010 04:56 wishbones wrote:
you are funny bro
i played ladder for 3 days
so try again sir, mr.27 posts vs 1600 .. cmon now u think im that lame... ask kennigit im a cool dude! he can vouch!
ive never trolled, i guess trolling is trying to stir up a bunch of comotion, but that aint me, i am very confident about my build seeing as ive done it time and time again. like really go AND TRY THE DAMN build <3 Posts doesn't equal experience. I believe players like Huk and qxc have like 200 some posts on TL? They must be awful! what does this have to do with my build please dont trash thread, PM me about stupidity <3.
Your build would crumble against anyone who isn't turtling. I'm so sorry.
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i just pm'd kennigit to close this, unfortunately we wont be changing protoss thanks for all the boogers out there with negative responses, i bet none of you even considered trying this build its just funny to see how immature alot of you are.. sad day for wishbones <3 lol
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Maybe you should post some replays.
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before this done get shut down id like to conclude that smart players dont give up their build order before using it and expecting it to succeed. anywho! gday.
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dostev and whomever, you did the build wrong.
its suppose to be
2gate+nexus+2gate+robo
you did
1gate+nexus lol thats very eazy to beat.
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