Why China will never be democratic, and should never be democratic
This is a documentary done on one of China's many experiments with democracy. Apparently China has done many experiments with democracy and the reason why they have chosen not to become a democracy is that they noticed that the candidates who were usually elected were the ones who could lie with a straight face, bought votes, and always chose short term prosperity over long term gains.
Please watch this documentary and discuss
Also a point of discussion, who do you believe truly deserved to win the election shown in the documentary?
i haven't watched it yet. Things change, chinese people will want a sense of democracy soon anyways. plus China's PR sucks for being a "commie" country. they might move towards socialistic system like Canada.
ALL politicians lie with a straight face, or they will at one point in their career. People know this and elect the best of the choices.
You realize USA probably will not be democratic when they vote for the president right?
Eh if all you see is the bad in democracy then arrange your democracy to exploit those who are bad, arrange it so peoples greed aligns with the greater good.
Hell if they don't want democracy because of corruption then why do they have communism which has just as bad of a track record of being corrupt
On July 15 2010 10:28 Mykill wrote: i haven't watched it yet. Things change, chinese people will want a sense of democracy soon anyways. plus China's PR sucks for being a "commie" country. they might move towards socialistic system like Canada.
ALL politicians lie with a straight face, or they will at one point in their career. People know this and elect the best of the choices.
You realize USA probably will not be democratic when they vote for the president right?
Watch the video, even though the election was done by children apparently the EXACT SAME THING happens in every other democracy experiment. Even with educated adults.
you should watch the other 'why democracy' videos as well.
the thing is that everyone (in the western world) thinks that the democratic system is superior to other systems. but they don't realize that there are other systems that would just cope better with the current state of development in other countries.
On July 15 2010 10:28 Mykill wrote: i haven't watched it yet. Things change, chinese people will want a sense of democracy soon anyways. plus China's PR sucks for being a "commie" country. they might move towards socialistic system like Canada.
ALL politicians lie with a straight face, or they will at one point in their career. People know this and elect the best of the choices.
You realize USA probably will not be democratic when they vote for the president right?
Watch the video, even though the election was done by children apparently the EXACT SAME THING happens in every other democracy experiment. Even with educated adults.
This is not something that only happens to chinese is it? I really do not thing of voting for a person who seems trustworthy only affects the Chinese population. By this logic your saying that all countries that are not currently democratic will never become democratic this is clearly not true.
Well a form of democracy, rarely everything being democratic is impossible as people don't have the mind set to vote on every issue and rather have elected officials go though the small stuff.
A full on true democracy is impossible at any large population set.
So a group of school children is hardly Representative on how a system that could work in china would be implemented and done in practice.
Don't want the people to lie, make it hard for them or make them accountable in a way, nothing says you can't make a system that does it like that.
Why give people the chance to blow it themselves, the government knows better and will make the better long term decisions. Thats why the internet is a big firewall in china. Thinking for yourself is evil..
it's not impossible, but it's rather hard to install a democracy that will not be shattered into anarchy in a country that is similarly as large as china.
On July 15 2010 10:38 Patches wrote: Why give people the chance to blow it themselves, the government knows better and will make the better long term decisions. Thats why the internet is a big firewall in china. Thinking for yourself is evil..
an unstable country is bad. think about it: would you rather live in a free, democratic but chaotic country that could get into anarchy anytime or would you rather live in a country like china. they don't have the standard of freedom we have in the western world, but at least, they are not in a civil war like the whole time they were before 1948.
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."
That being said, I think the video doesn't particularly make any real points apart from mindless cynicism. A lot of stuff on the internet appeals to people's appetite for quick and easy answers, in this case 'China cannot have democracy because LOOK how the children are socialized.' The real question is infinitely more complex and this video barely touches the surface. Any reasonable, well thought out, and reasonably relevant commentary on whether or not China as a country and society is ready for democracy in the western tradition isn't really viable via youtube.
Apparently China has done many experiments with democracy and the reason why they have chosen not to become a democracy is that they noticed that the candidates who were usually elected were the ones who could lie with a straight face, bought votes, and always chose short term prosperity over long term gains.
When you're not in a democracy (of some sort) the "they" does not represent the citizens' opinon. Arguing against democracy is quite a paradox, because who decides not to have democracy in the first place?
Apparently China has done many experiments with democracy and the reason why they have chosen not to become a democracy is that they noticed that the candidates who were usually elected were the ones who could lie with a straight face, bought votes, and always chose short term prosperity over long term gains.
When you're not in a democracy (of some sort) the "they" does not represent the citizens' opinon. Arguing against democracy is quite a paradox, because who decides not to have democracy in the first place?
On July 15 2010 10:38 Patches wrote: Why give people the chance to blow it themselves, the government knows better and will make the better long term decisions. Thats why the internet is a big firewall in china. Thinking for yourself is evil..
In the end, if there's bread on the table no one's going to bother with the question.
Now here's an interesting question; Have singapore and China created Plato's republic? Guardian Philosophers(scientists) managing and protecting the herd?
On July 15 2010 10:38 Patches wrote: Why give people the chance to blow it themselves, the government knows better and will make the better long term decisions. Thats why the internet is a big firewall in china. Thinking for yourself is evil..
On July 15 2010 10:52 Sabu113 wrote: In the end, if there's bread on the table no one's going to bother with the question.
Now here's an interesting question; Have singapore and China created Plato's republic? Guardian Philosophers(scientists) managing and protecting the herd?
I believe people with high IQ are naturally more prone to avoid corruption.
Nikola Tesla is a good example, he knew that if he sold out to Westinghouse he would be the richest man in the world but in exchange he would create a monopoly that would make many people miserable and poor, so he tore up the contract.
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