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+ Show Spoiler +This account has been suspended from the battle.net forums for a 72 hour period for trolling the forums. Reason: Trolling. Thread: OFFICIAL BLIZZARD SOURCE: https://us.battle.net/account/creation/tos.xmlQ u o t e: Content Screening and Disclosure. We do not, and cannot, pre-screen or monitor all User Content. However, our representatives may monitor and/or record your communications (including without limitation chat text) when you are using the Service or playing a Game, and you hereby provide your irrevocable consent to such monitoring and recording. You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of privacy concerning the transmission of any User Content, including without limitation chat text or voice communications. We do not assume any responsibility or liability for User Content that is generated by users. We have the right, but not the obligation, in our sole discretion to edit, refuse to post, or remove any User Content. WE ALSO RESERVE THE RIGHT, AT ALL TIMES AND IN OUR SOLE DISCRETION, TO DISCLOSE ANY USER CONTENT AND OTHER INFORMATION (INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION CHAT TEXT, VOICE COMMUNICATIONS, IP ADDRESSES, AND YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION) FOR ANY REASON Does anyone actually agree with this, after reading it? They can sell your private information, phone number, email, anything they want to anyone they want. Telemarketers, spammers, murderers, psychos. ANYBODY. They can record your voice messages and sell them. They can keep all your chat logs and sell them. More control (Blizzard has the right to any content (redistribute, modify and sell) you transmit or post on the Battle.Net including pictures, sounds and most certainly maps) Q u o t e: User Content. "User Content" means any communications, images, sounds, and all the material and information that you upload or transmit through a Game client or the Service, or that other users upload or transmit, including without limitation any chat text. You hereby grant Blizzard a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, paid-up, non-exclusive, license, including the right to sublicense to third parties, and right to reproduce, fix, adapt, modify, translate, reformat, create derivative works from, manufacture, introduce into circulation, publish, distribute, sell, license, sublicense, transfer, rent, lease, transmit, publicly display, publicly perform, or provide access to electronically, broadcast, communicate to the public by telecommunication, display, perform, enter into computer memory, and use and practice such User Content as well as all modified and derivative works thereof. To the extent permitted by applicable laws, you hereby waive any moral rights you may have in any User Content. You make a good map, Blizz has the "RIGHT" [bullsh1t, we'd see about that in court Big Blue...] to STEAL YOUR WORK, TAKE CREDIT, AND SELL IT FOR PROFIT. As I know for a fact that the trolls are soon to come in and ruin this thread, anybody who wants to actually learn more and discuss this rationally, start here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=127018¤tpage=6Relevant from page 6 onward. It just gets more and more shocking with every post, and it's all in the ToS. If there's a blue post in this thread, I would be highly surprised. I'd be absolutely EMBARASSED to be representing and defending Blizzard's stance on this, but the challenge is still issued: Blue, what the fuc*? I feel nobody will have an answer for that.
My post on the Blizz forums is in the spoiler.
If you haven't read the posts about Blizzard's nasty ToS, where they can record and sell ANYTHING you say, do, type, or any of your personal information, it is located here, for some background info:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=127018¤tpage=6
Relevant info goes from page 6 to page 10
My thread on bnet garnered 20 pages of serious response, with less trolls than normal...so let's call it 10 pages of serious thread action. And NO GRIMACE IN 20 PAGES, AMAZING, RIGHT?
I can see why they'd remove my thread and ban me from blizz forums. I would COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND if they were like "oh this guy's going to cost us money. He's right. Ban him".
But I was temp banned for 72 hours for "trolling", and the thread was removed. LOL? TROLLING? SERIOUSLY?
Proof that Blizzard does not care whether or not you like or buy the game.
A few members here saw my thread on the forums.....I wasn't trying to incite a riot and said in at least 5 posts in the thread that I was not encouraging people to drop Blizzard, just that the ToS should be something they CONSIDER when purchasing the game, and that shouldn't be hidden away in the ToS. Sure I wasn't being nice, but I certainly was not trolling, and was actually raising a concern.
Seems to be indicative that they will sell all your personal data to spammers?
Thoughts? Blizzard wants to keep you from knowing about their privacy policy?
PS: Blizzard, you don't moderate these forums, so enjoy your fail. Assholes.
User was temp banned for this post.
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Seriously?
This action seems to be a new low from Blizzard. I suppose they're embarrassed by the thought of the nasties in their TOS finding the light of day.
I can only imagine someone from Blizzard seeing your thread and exclaiming, "WHAT!? No one is supposed to read that! Take it down!"
EDIT:
Though, your post is a little troll-ish compared to an original post brought to my attention by Coma.
This post which I happened to save*, copied into a spoiler for your enjoyment:
+ Show Spoiler +Seeing as I bought, played and liked almost every single game Blizzard has ever released (even the more obscure stuff like Lost Vikings I+II and Blackthorne) and even have several copies of some games like StarCraft or WarCraft 2+3 and I might’ve been classified as an outright “Blizzard fanboy” right up to the moment where World of Warcraft got released (which I was awaiting for years by the way and had such high expectations for) and a few years later this is particularly hard to do, but I think I will skip their games from now on, let me try to explain why. # More spyware (Blizzard has the right to store, read and pass on every message (chat or voice) you transmit over B.Net 2.0, for security reasons of course) https://us.battle.net/account/creation/tos.xmlQ u o t e: Content Screening and Disclosure. We do not, and cannot, pre-screen or monitor all User Content. However, our representatives may monitor and/or record your communications (including without limitation chat text) when you are using the Service or playing a Game, and you hereby provide your irrevocable consent to such monitoring and recording[. You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of privacy concerning the transmission of any User Content, including without limitation chat text or voice communications. We do not assume any responsibility or liability for User Content that is generated by users. We have the right, but not the obligation, in our sole discretion to edit, refuse to post, or remove any User Content. WE ALSO RESERVE THE RIGHT, AT ALL TIMES AND IN OUR SOLE DISCRETION, TO DISCLOSE ANY USER CONTENT AND OTHER INFORMATION (INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION CHAT TEXT, VOICE COMMUNICATIONS, IP ADDRESSES, AND YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION) FOR ANY REASON # More control (Blizzard has the right to any content (redistribute, modify and sell) you transmit or post on the Battle.Net including pictures, sounds and most certainly maps) Q u o t e: User Content. "User Content" means any communications, images, sounds, and all the material and information that you upload or transmit through a Game client or the Service, or that other users upload or transmit, including without limitation any chat text. You hereby grant Blizzard a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, paid-up, non-exclusive, license, including the right to sublicense to third parties, and right to reproduce, fix, adapt, modify, translate, reformat, create derivative works from, manufacture, introduce into circulation, publish, distribute, sell, license, sublicense, transfer, rent, lease, transmit, publicly display, publicly perform, or provide access to electronically, broadcast, communicate to the public by telecommunication, display, perform, enter into computer memory, and use and practice such User Content as well as all modified and derivative works thereof. To the extent permitted by applicable laws, you hereby waive any moral rights you may have in any User Content. Basically, once you’ve uploaded something onto the B.Net and if it’s popular they can take your idea, modify it a bit and put it up for money on their own map marketplace. # Map "Marketplace" (no more "free maps", by everyone for everyone like in the first StarCraft or WarCraft 3, they got IG shops you can pay money for 3rd party maps in, and the authors even get A PORTION of the earnings, how generous of you Blizzard) http://kotaku.com/5343006/blizzard-you-may-sell-your-starcraft-2-maps-on-battlenet-eventuallyRemember all of those free Blizzard maps for WarCraft 3, Blizzard made out of customer friendliness and to build up even more of a loyal fanbase? http://classic.battle.net/war3/maps/Well… not anymore… # They’re going to nickle-and-dime people for „features“ like creating Custom Tournaments/Leagues. Wonder why there’s still no chat even though it seems like a simple feature? It’s probably because it might cost something to keep a “Clan” chat-channel or similar open: http://www.incgamers.com/Interviews/190/StarCraftIIDevelopersInterviewedQ u o t e: So what's Battle.net all about and how is it different? The new Battle.net will completely revolutionise the current version, but Blizzard is still looking to making this experience free for anyone buying StarCraft II or future games that use Battle.net. One idea which has been discussed in different iterations is microtransactions, meaning the service is free, but added value services like starting a custom tournament, league, or the like would cost a small amount of money. # Facebook like "ID-page" so you can "distinguish" yourself, includes your Real Name and mail address if you put it in for Payment Details, which is awesome for Phishers, Hackers and Spammers alike... # Actual Facebook integration, personally I don’t want a “platform” to be bundled with the games I want to play, that I’m being forced to use and I don’t need Stats about how often and how long I’ve been to the toilet, I just want separate chat channels with a simple friends list and simple /invite /ignore /add /remove features like back in the day to be able to play the game and that’s about it… In general, be wary of marketing people using the word “platform” to describe something… almost nothing good came of it, X-Box Live, Steam, Facebook Platform etc. are described as “platforms” and they always come with additional DRM, microtransactions and often even subscription fees. http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=24732Q u o t e: "There is no better opportunity to launch this strategic initiative than through the launch of StarCraft II," said Kotick on the call. "The Battle.net platform is an investment in the future of gaming, and an opportunity that we are uniquely positioned to capitalize on." - Bobby Kotick # More ads (thanks to contract with Massive - company for commercials owned by Microsoft), they also collect your IP and "standard information" http://community.microsoftadvertising.com/blogs/analytics/archive/2009/08/25/massive-s-in-game-advertising-season-kick-off.aspxQ u o t e: Through an agreement with Blizzard Entertainment, Massive is the exclusive advertising service provider for the World of Warcraft community web sites as well as the Battle.net online gaming service. A newly redesigned Battle.net platform will launch with StarCraft II in 2010, for which Massive will also be the exclusive advertising service provider. # No LAN or playing with friends anymore, everyone HAS to be logged in to the great Overlord hivemind B.Net 2.0 and every person HAS to have a key of the game (and every following Add-On) to be able to play with friends or family. Remember those times when a friend came over and you played a few rounds of StarCraft over LAN or you tried to introduce someone, that wasn’t really interested/hadn’t played the game before to it the same way and Blizzard didn’t say or do anything to prevent that? Well not anymore… cause to be able to do that you’ll have to have bought all the products and gone through a lengthy process of creating a B.Net 2.0 Account and Register the keys to it… # Selling one game as a 3-parter (if the first part costs 60$/60€... what do you think the so-called "Expansions" will cost? If you think they’re below 40$/€ you're out of your mind xD) To play the full multiplayer (with all units and buildings etc.) and play competitively you will have to buy all 3 and register all 3 CD-Keys. http://www.starcraft2.com/faq.xmlQ u o t e: If I buy StarCraft II but don't buy any of the expansion sets, will I still be able to play online? Yes. This will work similarly to Warcraft III and the original StarCraft, which maintained separate online gaming lobbies and ladders for expansion set players and players with the base Warcraft III or StarCraft. How will the expansion sets impact multiplayer gameplay? The expansion sets will add new content to each race for use in multiplayer matches. This could include additions such as new units, abilities, and structures, along with new maps and Battle.net updates. # Achievements (yay, thanks for keeping track of how awesome I am Blizzard... everyone's been eagerly awaiting those on the PC) As much as I might actually like the actual game and want to pay for it, this is just too much (marketing) crap to sift through, to be able to enjoy the good parts. Thanks for all the good gaming experiences you’ve delivered in the past Blizzard and good luck.
* http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?sid=5010&topicId=25026564417
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Well the way you presented yourself definitely border on the line of outright caustic criticism whether your intentions were pure or not.
It is troubling that these terms of service seem to give a lot of control to Blizzard, but I personally don't believe they will use my information other than their own marketing info, if anything at all. It's their game and it's their medium, and if you're gonna conduct shady shit on it than it's probably your fault for not reading the ToS or for doing shady shit in the first place.
I guess I'm idealistically relaxed on these types of situations since I don't talk about anything over Bnet that could ban me or something.
Also, just don't give out your info if you're that paranoid.
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On May 25 2010 13:29 shindigs wrote:
Well the way you presented yourself definitely border on the line of outright caustic criticism whether your intentions were pure or not.
It is troubling that these terms of service seem to give a lot of control to Blizzard, but I personally don't believe they will use my information other than their own marketing info, if anything at all. It's their game and it's their medium, and if you're gonna conduct shady shit on it than it's probably your fault for not reading the ToS or for doing shady shit in the first place.
I guess I'm idealistically relaxed on these types of situations since I don't talk about anything over Bnet that could ban me or something.
Also, just don't give out your info if you're that paranoid.
I agree, I was borderline, but considering that I never tried to convince people to drop the game, and the content of other posts on the Blizz forums, this is, and there's no other word for it, retarded.
Blizz doesn't want you to see their privacy policy, it seems.
I stated over and over and over in that thread that I did not want people to blindly go OH SHIT NOT BUYING. Just that they should take this info into consideration. I believe I said...
"I don't care what conclusion you arrive at due to this information, it is your choice to make...Just that this information is part of your thought process."
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Well you were getting kinda hysterical in that thread, so it's understandable. Not to mention you were also being a bit dishonest. See the following quote:
Content Screening and Disclosure. We do not, and cannot, pre-screen or monitor all User Content. However, our representatives may monitor and/or record your communications (including without limitation chat text) when you are using the Service or playing a Game, and you hereby provide your irrevocable consent to such monitoring and recording. You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of privacy concerning the transmission of any User Content, including without limitation chat text or voice communications. We do not assume any responsibility or liability for User Content that is generated by users. We have the right, but not the obligation, in our sole discretion to edit, refuse to post, or remove any User Content. WE ALSO RESERVE THE RIGHT, AT ALL TIMES AND IN OUR SOLE DISCRETION, TO DISCLOSE ANY USER CONTENT AND OTHER INFORMATION (INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION CHAT TEXT, VOICE COMMUNICATIONS, IP ADDRESSES, AND YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION) FOR ANY REASON, including without limitation (a) to satisfy any applicable law, regulation, legal process or governmental request; (b) to enforce the terms of this or any other agreement or Blizzard policy; (c) to protect our legal rights and remedies; (d) where we feel someone’s health or safety may be threatened; or (e) to report a crime or other offensive behavior.
The part that I bolded in that quote is the part that your post conveniently omits in order to incite outrage and panic, which is basically what a troll tries to do. Next time don't resort to dishonesty in order to make a point.
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you have no idea how much statistics and studies can be sold for
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On May 25 2010 13:32 Spawkuring wrote:Well you were getting kinda hysterical in that thread, so it's understandable. Not to mention you were also being a bit dishonest. See the following quote: Show nested quote +Content Screening and Disclosure. We do not, and cannot, pre-screen or monitor all User Content. However, our representatives may monitor and/or record your communications (including without limitation chat text) when you are using the Service or playing a Game, and you hereby provide your irrevocable consent to such monitoring and recording. You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of privacy concerning the transmission of any User Content, including without limitation chat text or voice communications. We do not assume any responsibility or liability for User Content that is generated by users. We have the right, but not the obligation, in our sole discretion to edit, refuse to post, or remove any User Content. WE ALSO RESERVE THE RIGHT, AT ALL TIMES AND IN OUR SOLE DISCRETION, TO DISCLOSE ANY USER CONTENT AND OTHER INFORMATION (INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION CHAT TEXT, VOICE COMMUNICATIONS, IP ADDRESSES, AND YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION) FOR ANY REASON, including without limitation (a) to satisfy any applicable law, regulation, legal process or governmental request; (b) to enforce the terms of this or any other agreement or Blizzard policy; (c) to protect our legal rights and remedies; (d) where we feel someone’s health or safety may be threatened; or (e) to report a crime or other offensive behavior. The part that I bolded in that quote is the part that your post conveniently omits in order to incite outrage and panic, which is basically what a troll tries to do. Next time don't resort to dishonesty in order to make a point.
You could garner a bit of paranoia from the "without limitations" part but I haven't seen a game company yet use this power for evil. They do need this data unfortunately sometimes for legal reasons. Shady shit goes on online.
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On May 25 2010 13:32 Spawkuring wrote:Well you were getting kinda hysterical in that thread, so it's understandable. Not to mention you were also being a bit dishonest. See the following quote: Show nested quote +Content Screening and Disclosure. We do not, and cannot, pre-screen or monitor all User Content. However, our representatives may monitor and/or record your communications (including without limitation chat text) when you are using the Service or playing a Game, and you hereby provide your irrevocable consent to such monitoring and recording. You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of privacy concerning the transmission of any User Content, including without limitation chat text or voice communications. We do not assume any responsibility or liability for User Content that is generated by users. We have the right, but not the obligation, in our sole discretion to edit, refuse to post, or remove any User Content. WE ALSO RESERVE THE RIGHT, AT ALL TIMES AND IN OUR SOLE DISCRETION, TO DISCLOSE ANY USER CONTENT AND OTHER INFORMATION (INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION CHAT TEXT, VOICE COMMUNICATIONS, IP ADDRESSES, AND YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION) FOR ANY REASON, including without limitation (a) to satisfy any applicable law, regulation, legal process or governmental request; (b) to enforce the terms of this or any other agreement or Blizzard policy; (c) to protect our legal rights and remedies; (d) where we feel someone’s health or safety may be threatened; or (e) to report a crime or other offensive behavior. The part that I bolded in that quote is the part that your post conveniently omits in order to incite outrage and panic, which is basically what a troll tries to do. Next time don't resort to dishonesty in order to make a point.
You clearly did not read the other relevant thread here on TL.
How is that dishonest? You missed a part that needs to be bolded. I'll help you out, even though you're being an asshole.
WE ALSO RESERVE THE RIGHT, AT ALL TIMES AND IN OUR SOLE DISCRETION, TO DISCLOSE ANY USER CONTENT AND OTHER INFORMATION (INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION CHAT TEXT, VOICE COMMUNICATIONS, IP ADDRESSES, AND YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION) FOR ANY REASON, including without limitation ...
It's not limited to the parts you bolded. Next time don't resort to ignorance when posting in a thread. Thanks.
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why do you think facebook started shitting on everyone's privacy? information is worth a shit ton of money
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It's trolling because of the spin you put on it. Contrary to recent public opinion, Blizzard are not Beelzebub incarnate, and as such they will not be selling your social security number to the highest bidder.
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On May 25 2010 13:34 trace wm wrote:
It's trolling because of the spin you put on it. Contrary to recent public opinion, Blizzard are not Beelzebub incarnate, and as such they will not be selling your social security number to the highest bidder.
That's not trolling. I represented my posts as my opinion, and multiple, multiple times stated that I am not saying "OH U BUY THE GAME UR GONNA GET SPAMMED LOLOL". Do you know what trolling is???
Contrary to your post, you have absolutely no idea what Blizz will do with your information.
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On May 25 2010 13:32 Spawkuring wrote:Well you were getting kinda hysterical in that thread, so it's understandable. Not to mention you were also being a bit dishonest. See the following quote: Show nested quote +Content Screening and Disclosure. We do not, and cannot, pre-screen or monitor all User Content. However, our representatives may monitor and/or record your communications (including without limitation chat text) when you are using the Service or playing a Game, and you hereby provide your irrevocable consent to such monitoring and recording. You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of privacy concerning the transmission of any User Content, including without limitation chat text or voice communications. We do not assume any responsibility or liability for User Content that is generated by users. We have the right, but not the obligation, in our sole discretion to edit, refuse to post, or remove any User Content. WE ALSO RESERVE THE RIGHT, AT ALL TIMES AND IN OUR SOLE DISCRETION, TO DISCLOSE ANY USER CONTENT AND OTHER INFORMATION (INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION CHAT TEXT, VOICE COMMUNICATIONS, IP ADDRESSES, AND YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION) FOR ANY REASON, including without limitation (a) to satisfy any applicable law, regulation, legal process or governmental request; (b) to enforce the terms of this or any other agreement or Blizzard policy; (c) to protect our legal rights and remedies; (d) where we feel someone’s health or safety may be threatened; or (e) to report a crime or other offensive behavior. The part that I bolded in that quote is the part that your post conveniently omits in order to incite outrage and panic, which is basically what a troll tries to do. Next time don't resort to dishonesty in order to make a point.
Case closed, nothing more to see here. Surprised you only got a 72 hour ban honestly. This is blizzard covering their own ass so that they can use logs etc. to justify bans, or account theft etc. not so they can sell your UMS map and make millions while publishing your credit card info and IP address to anyone with a checkbook.
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This is "standard" as in a lot of companies have this in their TOS or similar things that you necessarily wouldn't be happy to allow them to do had you actually bothered to read.
Doesn't mean you should be worried about it, I'm pretty sure this is nearly a straight copy paste from WoW and do you ever hear anyone being hurt because of agreeing with the tos? Ya they aren't going to start selling zeratul666xxxkiller's phone number just for the heck of it.
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On May 25 2010 13:34 InfiniteIce wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2010 13:32 Spawkuring wrote:Well you were getting kinda hysterical in that thread, so it's understandable. Not to mention you were also being a bit dishonest. See the following quote: Content Screening and Disclosure. We do not, and cannot, pre-screen or monitor all User Content. However, our representatives may monitor and/or record your communications (including without limitation chat text) when you are using the Service or playing a Game, and you hereby provide your irrevocable consent to such monitoring and recording. You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of privacy concerning the transmission of any User Content, including without limitation chat text or voice communications. We do not assume any responsibility or liability for User Content that is generated by users. We have the right, but not the obligation, in our sole discretion to edit, refuse to post, or remove any User Content. WE ALSO RESERVE THE RIGHT, AT ALL TIMES AND IN OUR SOLE DISCRETION, TO DISCLOSE ANY USER CONTENT AND OTHER INFORMATION (INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION CHAT TEXT, VOICE COMMUNICATIONS, IP ADDRESSES, AND YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION) FOR ANY REASON, including without limitation (a) to satisfy any applicable law, regulation, legal process or governmental request; (b) to enforce the terms of this or any other agreement or Blizzard policy; (c) to protect our legal rights and remedies; (d) where we feel someone’s health or safety may be threatened; or (e) to report a crime or other offensive behavior. The part that I bolded in that quote is the part that your post conveniently omits in order to incite outrage and panic, which is basically what a troll tries to do. Next time don't resort to dishonesty in order to make a point. You clearly did not read the other relevant thread here on TL. How is that dishonest? You missed a part that needs to be bolded. I'll help you out, even though you're being an asshole. Show nested quote +WE ALSO RESERVE THE RIGHT, AT ALL TIMES AND IN OUR SOLE DISCRETION, TO DISCLOSE ANY USER CONTENT AND OTHER INFORMATION (INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION CHAT TEXT, VOICE COMMUNICATIONS, IP ADDRESSES, AND YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION) FOR ANY REASON, including without limitation ... It's not limited to the parts you bolded. Next time don't resort to ignorance when posting in a thread. Thanks.
Putting spin on anything is gonna make you look bad. Not to say that you don't have some validity, but a lot of this is just basic cover-your-ass type stuff that all companies want to do. Almost any company can enforce draconian measures, but very few of them will actually do so. Blizzard could suddenly charge $50 for each keystroke you make, but obviously that will never fly amongst the customers.
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Blizzard isn't all evil and out to get you, thanks.
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I like that you brought up this point, it's definitely something that should have some discussion about, but I don't like how you call every single person an asshole. Calm down and maybe you won't get temp-banned. For real man, what provocation causes you to call everyone an asshole? Is it just because they don't agree with you?
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I fully agree with you man. The fact is that people were trolling your thread far more than you were Trolling the forums in general (you may have been a bit out there but not too much in my opinion)
The wording they have there is really troublesome in my opinion. They seem to be grabbing alot more "rights" than they truley have a "right" to in my opinion at least.
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Lemme see if I got this right, you're freaking out about Blizzard having the ability to do whatever they want with the logs YOU leave on THEIR server via THEIR game? Maybe you should read your deal with your ISP again, you will be surprised, and they have all the logs.
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On May 25 2010 13:37 Puosu wrote:
This is "standard" as in a lot of companies have this in their TOS or similar things that you necessarily wouldn't be happy to allow them to do had you actually bothered to read.
Doesn't mean you should be worried about it, I'm pretty sure this is nearly a straight copy paste from WoW and do you ever hear anyone being hurt because of agreeing with the tos? Ya they aren't going to start selling zeratul666xxxkiller's phone number just for the heck of it.
I shouldn't?
And no, this is not standard. This is the most general ToS I have ever seen. Go look at the War3 ToS. Go look at any other ToS.
I don't play WoW, so can't verify that with certainty that it isn't in the ToS for that game.
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On May 25 2010 13:28 Ryhn wrote:Seriously? This action seems to be a new low from Blizzard. I suppose they're embarrassed by the thought of the nasties in their TOS finding the light of day. I can only imagine someone from Blizzard seeing your thread and exclaiming, "WHAT!? No one is supposed to read that! Take it down!" EDIT: Though, your post is a little troll-ish compared to the original posts by the likes of Coma. Coma's post which I happened to save, copied into a spoiler for your enjoyment: + Show Spoiler +Seeing as I bought, played and liked almost every single game Blizzard has ever released (even the more obscure stuff like Lost Vikings I+II and Blackthorne) and even have several copies of some games like StarCraft or WarCraft 2+3 and I might’ve been classified as an outright “Blizzard fanboy” right up to the moment where World of Warcraft got released (which I was awaiting for years by the way and had such high expectations for) and a few years later this is particularly hard to do, but I think I will skip their games from now on, let me try to explain why. # More spyware (Blizzard has the right to store, read and pass on every message (chat or voice) you transmit over B.Net 2.0, for security reasons of course) https://us.battle.net/account/creation/tos.xmlQ u o t e: Content Screening and Disclosure. We do not, and cannot, pre-screen or monitor all User Content. However, our representatives may monitor and/or record your communications (including without limitation chat text) when you are using the Service or playing a Game, and you hereby provide your irrevocable consent to such monitoring and recording[. You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of privacy concerning the transmission of any User Content, including without limitation chat text or voice communications. We do not assume any responsibility or liability for User Content that is generated by users. We have the right, but not the obligation, in our sole discretion to edit, refuse to post, or remove any User Content. WE ALSO RESERVE THE RIGHT, AT ALL TIMES AND IN OUR SOLE DISCRETION, TO DISCLOSE ANY USER CONTENT AND OTHER INFORMATION (INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION CHAT TEXT, VOICE COMMUNICATIONS, IP ADDRESSES, AND YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION) FOR ANY REASON # More control (Blizzard has the right to any content (redistribute, modify and sell) you transmit or post on the Battle.Net including pictures, sounds and most certainly maps) Q u o t e: User Content. "User Content" means any communications, images, sounds, and all the material and information that you upload or transmit through a Game client or the Service, or that other users upload or transmit, including without limitation any chat text. You hereby grant Blizzard a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, paid-up, non-exclusive, license, including the right to sublicense to third parties, and right to reproduce, fix, adapt, modify, translate, reformat, create derivative works from, manufacture, introduce into circulation, publish, distribute, sell, license, sublicense, transfer, rent, lease, transmit, publicly display, publicly perform, or provide access to electronically, broadcast, communicate to the public by telecommunication, display, perform, enter into computer memory, and use and practice such User Content as well as all modified and derivative works thereof. To the extent permitted by applicable laws, you hereby waive any moral rights you may have in any User Content. Basically, once you’ve uploaded something onto the B.Net and if it’s popular they can take your idea, modify it a bit and put it up for money on their own map marketplace. # Map "Marketplace" (no more "free maps", by everyone for everyone like in the first StarCraft or WarCraft 3, they got IG shops you can pay money for 3rd party maps in, and the authors even get A PORTION of the earnings, how generous of you Blizzard) http://kotaku.com/5343006/blizzard-you-may-sell-your-starcraft-2-maps-on-battlenet-eventuallyRemember all of those free Blizzard maps for WarCraft 3, Blizzard made out of customer friendliness and to build up even more of a loyal fanbase? http://classic.battle.net/war3/maps/Well… not anymore… # They’re going to nickle-and-dime people for „features“ like creating Custom Tournaments/Leagues. Wonder why there’s still no chat even though it seems like a simple feature? It’s probably because it might cost something to keep a “Clan” chat-channel or similar open: http://www.incgamers.com/Interviews/190/StarCraftIIDevelopersInterviewedQ u o t e: So what's Battle.net all about and how is it different? The new Battle.net will completely revolutionise the current version, but Blizzard is still looking to making this experience free for anyone buying StarCraft II or future games that use Battle.net. One idea which has been discussed in different iterations is microtransactions, meaning the service is free, but added value services like starting a custom tournament, league, or the like would cost a small amount of money. # Facebook like "ID-page" so you can "distinguish" yourself, includes your Real Name and mail address if you put it in for Payment Details, which is awesome for Phishers, Hackers and Spammers alike... # Actual Facebook integration, personally I don’t want a “platform” to be bundled with the games I want to play, that I’m being forced to use and I don’t need Stats about how often and how long I’ve been to the toilet, I just want separate chat channels with a simple friends list and simple /invite /ignore /add /remove features like back in the day to be able to play the game and that’s about it… In general, be wary of marketing people using the word “platform” to describe something… almost nothing good came of it, X-Box Live, Steam, Facebook Platform etc. are described as “platforms” and they always come with additional DRM, microtransactions and often even subscription fees. http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=24732Q u o t e: "There is no better opportunity to launch this strategic initiative than through the launch of StarCraft II," said Kotick on the call. "The Battle.net platform is an investment in the future of gaming, and an opportunity that we are uniquely positioned to capitalize on." - Bobby Kotick # More ads (thanks to contract with Massive - company for commercials owned by Microsoft), they also collect your IP and "standard information" http://community.microsoftadvertising.com/blogs/analytics/archive/2009/08/25/massive-s-in-game-advertising-season-kick-off.aspxQ u o t e: Through an agreement with Blizzard Entertainment, Massive is the exclusive advertising service provider for the World of Warcraft community web sites as well as the Battle.net online gaming service. A newly redesigned Battle.net platform will launch with StarCraft II in 2010, for which Massive will also be the exclusive advertising service provider. # No LAN or playing with friends anymore, everyone HAS to be logged in to the great Overlord hivemind B.Net 2.0 and every person HAS to have a key of the game (and every following Add-On) to be able to play with friends or family. Remember those times when a friend came over and you played a few rounds of StarCraft over LAN or you tried to introduce someone, that wasn’t really interested/hadn’t played the game before to it the same way and Blizzard didn’t say or do anything to prevent that? Well not anymore… cause to be able to do that you’ll have to have bought all the products and gone through a lengthy process of creating a B.Net 2.0 Account and Register the keys to it… # Selling one game as a 3-parter (if the first part costs 60$/60€... what do you think the so-called "Expansions" will cost? If you think they’re below 40$/€ you're out of your mind xD) To play the full multiplayer (with all units and buildings etc.) and play competitively you will have to buy all 3 and register all 3 CD-Keys. http://www.starcraft2.com/faq.xmlQ u o t e: If I buy StarCraft II but don't buy any of the expansion sets, will I still be able to play online? Yes. This will work similarly to Warcraft III and the original StarCraft, which maintained separate online gaming lobbies and ladders for expansion set players and players with the base Warcraft III or StarCraft. How will the expansion sets impact multiplayer gameplay? The expansion sets will add new content to each race for use in multiplayer matches. This could include additions such as new units, abilities, and structures, along with new maps and Battle.net updates. # Achievements (yay, thanks for keeping track of how awesome I am Blizzard... everyone's been eagerly awaiting those on the PC) As much as I might actually like the actual game and want to pay for it, this is just too much (marketing) crap to sift through, to be able to enjoy the good parts. Thanks for all the good gaming experiences you’ve delivered in the past Blizzard and good luck.
Just wanted to state for the record that this is not my post, I just found it on the Battle.net forums and linked to it.
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