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VabuDeltaKaiser
Profile Joined April 2009
Germany1107 Posts
February 05 2010 02:28 GMT
#1
I just watched a documentation http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3254488777215293198#docid=-1656880303867390173
stating, pretty much income tax is illegal, irs is a private organisation, such as federal reserve is private, basically maybe the whole money system beeing in private hands.

I search for:

-a proove of the law that justify income taxes
-irs beeing law ruled, based and voted company below congress
-federal reserve beeing law ruled and voted below congress

that docu is pretty good so you better watch this before you respond.
my smiley drinks green tea. works. just, the commercial investments are lower.
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
February 05 2010 02:31 GMT
#2
Didn't someone post something like this recently, then got shot down by every poster??

The constitution declares that the federal government has the power to levy and dollect taxes..I don't know where people get this crap from..
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
xmShake
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1100 Posts
February 05 2010 02:31 GMT
#3
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=73867
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 05 2010 02:32 GMT
#4
If you want a government to protect you, that government is going to need money. No income tax means a higher sales tax, or other forms of taxation. Sure it sucks, but it's a price we must pay.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
February 05 2010 02:34 GMT
#5
On February 05 2010 11:31 xmShake wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=73867

Just go read this =_=
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6642 Posts
February 05 2010 02:34 GMT
#6
Again?
On February 02 2010 10:23 Mystlord wrote:
No idea who the hell is propogating this myth. Read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Show nested quote +
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.


Oh hey look! It also says collect.
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Saturnize
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2473 Posts
February 05 2010 02:36 GMT
#7
On February 05 2010 11:32 Two_DoWn wrote:
If you want a government to protect you, that government is going to need money. No income tax means a higher sales tax, or other forms of taxation. Sure it sucks, but it's a price we must pay.


No one asks for the governments protection don't be silly.
"Time to put the mustard on the hotdog. -_-"
VabuDeltaKaiser
Profile Joined April 2009
Germany1107 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-05 02:39:51
February 05 2010 02:38 GMT
#8
this is serious, i as a foreigner didnt get any answers so far. so i am just curious if there will be some, since your links are no answeres they are polemics.

maybe you happen to stick to the topic and else BE SILENT!
my smiley drinks green tea. works. just, the commercial investments are lower.
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
February 05 2010 02:39 GMT
#9
Thrice damned internet libertarians...

The IRS is not private. What would give you that notion? It is a government agency.

I'm not sure what a German has invested in this issue in the United States though. I know you're a German in Germany too. Spelling.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-05 02:43:28
February 05 2010 02:40 GMT
#10
On February 05 2010 11:36 Saturnize wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2010 11:32 Two_DoWn wrote:
If you want a government to protect you, that government is going to need money. No income tax means a higher sales tax, or other forms of taxation. Sure it sucks, but it's a price we must pay.


No one asks for the governments protection don't be silly.

Psh we don't need that protection then we can all be just like china and sell knock offs of everything.

The IRS is a subsection of the treasury you know the ppl that make money! which if you don't know somehow gave out all that money back when for the econ issue hum if the treasury is part of the government and the irs is part of that then ahh k i get it...you're pulling shit outta your asses
Conquest101
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1395 Posts
February 05 2010 02:41 GMT
#11
The idea behind all this nonsense is the contention that the 16th Amendment was ratified "improperly".

Basically this:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=4679
I know the article is old as shit, but so is this documentary.

However,in the end, it doesn't even matter. Cause of this:

On June 23 2008 02:20 Hawk wrote:
I DONT WANNA PAY INCOME TAX, BUT I SURE LIKE USING ALL THESE PUBLIC ROADWAYS, SEWER SYSTEM, WATER, SCHOOL SYSTEMS, ETC.

This is up there with the 9/11 bullshit.

Deleted User 31996
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
843 Posts
February 05 2010 02:42 GMT
#12
And what a fine job the US does indeed
VabuDeltaKaiser
Profile Joined April 2009
Germany1107 Posts
February 05 2010 02:43 GMT
#13
On February 05 2010 11:39 thopol wrote:
Thrice damned internet libertarians...

The IRS is not private. What would give you that notion? It is a government agency.

I'm not sure what a German has invested in this issue in the United States though. I know you're a German in Germany too. Spelling.


watch the documentation and tell me its not private AGAIN. with proving the arguments given IN the documentation wrong.

gogogo should not be that hard for a real american... thank you, would appreciate your help as a foreigner.
my smiley drinks green tea. works. just, the commercial investments are lower.
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6642 Posts
February 05 2010 02:44 GMT
#14
On February 05 2010 11:43 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2010 11:39 thopol wrote:
Thrice damned internet libertarians...

The IRS is not private. What would give you that notion? It is a government agency.

I'm not sure what a German has invested in this issue in the United States though. I know you're a German in Germany too. Spelling.


watch the documentation and tell me its not private AGAIN. with proving the arguments given IN the documentation wrong.

gogogo should not be that hard for a real american... thank you, would appreciate your help as a foreigner.

"The IRS is the US government agency responsible for tax collection and tax law enforcement."
Google it, first line.
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thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
February 05 2010 02:44 GMT
#15
On February 05 2010 11:38 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:
this is serious, i as a foreigner didnt get any answers so far. so i am just curious if there will be some, since your links are no answeres they are polemiks.

maybe you happen to stick to the topic and else BE SILENT!

Really? The dude just cited the US Constitution.

Also, I'm willing to forgive the grammar and spelling errors of people who are not from English speaking countries, but if you want to have a discussion you need to be understood. I don't understand you.
PlatypusOfPain
Profile Joined January 2004
United States6 Posts
February 05 2010 02:44 GMT
#16
US Constitution Article I section 8: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States..."

Taxation is one of the explicitly granted powers in the US constitution, and anyone who doesn't know this and is an American is a moron.

The IRS is designated by the congress to collect taxes, which is again one of it's constitutionally mandated duties.

The Federal Reserve was created by congress in the Federal Reserve Act.

If you really were curious, you could just have read wikipedia. This post was a complete waste of time.
All I want to know is, where are we going, and why am I in this handbasket?
Conquest101
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1395 Posts
February 05 2010 02:47 GMT
#17
People have already answered your question. There's an AMENDMENT to the US CONSTITUTION that establishes the federal income tax. The federal reserve board and IRS are government agencies established to oversee such.

You could argue about the validity of the 16th Amendment, but I think that's a crock of shit anyway.

And as has been mentioned before, so what? What's the alternative?
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
February 05 2010 02:48 GMT
#18
Oh christ... We are so easily trolled.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
February 05 2010 02:49 GMT
#19
On February 05 2010 11:38 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:
this is serious, i as a foreigner didnt get any answers so far. so i am just curious if there will be some, since your links are no answeres they are polemics.

maybe you happen to stick to the topic and else BE SILENT!

Maybe you should actually read the constitution yourself.
Conquest101
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1395 Posts
February 05 2010 02:50 GMT
#20
On February 05 2010 11:48 thopol wrote:
Oh christ... We are so easily trolled.


No. Don't do this.

There ARE trolls on the internet to be sure. But mostly it's just stupidity or ignorance.
Don't give everyone the benefit of the doubt and assume they are pulling off an epic troll.
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