Statements like this make my blood boil.

I won't make any statements about their relative skill levels (just that they're both playing well), but I'll just say I'll be an EffOrt fanboy and a Calm hater till I die.

Mykill

Canada3402 Posts

August 02 2009 10:32 GMT

#169

yep
effort just pwned

Mortality

United States4790 Posts

August 02 2009 10:35 GMT

#170

Um, Calm is hot right now, but he isn't "better" than Effort. Effort didn't play smart against Calm. Calm is... calling him an Aggressive Zerg is wrong, IMO, since Calm takes u all the way back to the era of Poor Zerg players like JinName. Basically, I view Calm as a Poor Zerg with modern strategy and mechanics. The key difference is that an Aggressive Zerg still needs to beat a Terran or Protoss opponent in econ in order to win, but a Poor Zerg says "fuck econ" and will play with such a hyper aggressive style that they are often behind a Terran or Protoss opponent in econ (and yet still can win).

Effort should have realized that Calm would use 9 pool builds. Because 9 pool is a staple of Poor Zerg players.

But that's also why JD is going to obliterate Calm; JD almost never loses to 9 pool. I don't mean "almost never" as in "JD almost never loses to Zerg," but as in "JD is exceptionally good at countering 9 pool Zerg even compared to other ZvZ builds." I simply cannot forsee any result other than a 3:0 victory for JD.

vx70GTOJudgexv

United States3161 Posts

August 02 2009 11:20 GMT

#171

On August 02 2009 19:35 Mortality wrote:
I simply cannot forsee any result other than a 3:0 victory for JD.

3:1, it's the Jaedong way.

GJ EffOrt, although I wasn't really shocked. His play has been top class right now. Sure, he's falling off of his "nobody beats him" edge, but he's still destroying 90% of the field. Calm exploited a BO flaw in EffOrt's plan (12 hatch is EffOrt's hubris) - props to him, but it's not anything that anyone couldn't really do. Iris, as much as he is my favorite player, really lucked on two factors: 1) He plays exceptionally versus his teammates in individual leagues and 2) EffOrt had so much on his plate at that point in time.

meegrean

Thailand7699 Posts

August 02 2009 12:20 GMT

#172

lol, not so much interest in this match.

geod

Vietnam450 Posts

August 02 2009 12:32 GMT

#173

Effort is just a new A zerg. He can win or lose to any other A zerg (aka Calm). July is not A zerg anymore and ZvsZ is his weak match up. End of dicussion.

Stratos_speAr

United States6959 Posts

August 02 2009 16:58 GMT

#174

On August 02 2009 19:14 johanes wrote:

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because Calm is better?

...What? You can't be serious.

mrgerry

United States1508 Posts

August 02 2009 17:02 GMT

#175

Beautiful troll johanes, 5/5, very well executed.

skronch

United States2717 Posts

August 02 2009 17:37 GMT

#176

offensive sunken and hidden hatch...even though he didn't win at least july brought some interesting things to a ZvZ

Jayme

United States5866 Posts

August 02 2009 17:47 GMT

#177

On August 02 2009 21:32 geod wrote:
Effort is just a new A zerg. He can win or lose to any other A zerg (aka Calm). July is not A zerg anymore and ZvsZ is his weak match up. End of dicussion.

A guy loses against pretty hard opponents and all of a sudden he's not S-Class anymore.

EVERYONE has a week where they just lose for the love of god.

Severedevil

United States4839 Posts

August 02 2009 18:19 GMT

#178

Calm is better than JulyZerg, so Effort losing to Calm but beating JulyZerg is not a bizarre outcome.

The only players I would say with complete confidence are S-Class these days, would be Bisu and Jaedong. Maybe Fantasy as well, to round out the races.

Calm/Effort/Flash are obvious candidates for S-Class (Flash certainly used to be), but not fully convincing at present.

Avidkeystamper

United States8556 Posts

August 02 2009 18:49 GMT

#179

Lo, I read that post as Calm is better than Julyzerg. Actually, that is what the post gramatically says. But looks no one else did.

Dazed.

Canada3301 Posts

August 02 2009 18:55 GMT

#180

On August 02 2009 19:35 Mortality wrote:
Um, Calm is hot right now, but he isn't "better" than Effort. Effort didn't play smart against Calm. Calm is... calling him an Aggressive Zerg is wrong, IMO, since Calm takes u all the way back to the era of Poor Zerg players like JinName. Basically, I view Calm as a Poor Zerg with modern strategy and mechanics. The key difference is that an Aggressive Zerg still needs to beat a Terran or Protoss opponent in econ in order to win, but a Poor Zerg says "fuck econ" and will play with such a hyper aggressive style that they are often behind a Terran or Protoss opponent in econ (and yet still can win).

I agree. Calm is more akin to yellow than he is Julyzerg, for example. Hes really very aggressive but he does it in a strategical and intelligent manner.