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On July 26 2009 10:41 Aegraen wrote:Ah, I'm glad I'm a SKT1 fan, don't have to worry about Bisu, Best, and Fantasy  (Imagine if we get to see Boxer in the finals...omg! (This is probably a pipe dream though)) Personally, I hope Khan wins, as it will be easier for SKT1 fans.
Fixed. I'd rather deal with KHAN fans than CJ or Hwaseung OZ fans. Fans from the latter two teams tend to like to bash non-zerg players/other teams/not-Jaedong-or-Savior regardless of which team actually wins.
Classic example. If Jaedong beats Bisu, Bisu is a noob who can't play Starcraft worth crap. If Bisu beats Jaedong, Protoss is clearly an imba race and Bisu plays EZ mode and everything was unfair.
Replace Bisu with Fantasy, Protoss with Terran, and EZ mode with mech build, and the same situation applies once more!
As I've said before, KHAN won't be any easier for SKT and I feel in some ways they are more of a threat. Especially since KHAN's team structure is VERY similar to SKT1's - two solid Protosses, one solid Terran, and oh-yeah-someone-on-the-team-plays-zerg. It's true that Best and Firebathero have been questionable lately, but OVERALL their teams don't look very different in terms of their depth and the races that their strongest players represent.
One thing I will give to SKT1 is that SKT1 has a lot more "star players" - Bisu, Fantasy, iloveoov, and Boxer. But I doubt the latter two will be played. Plus Bisu's performance on the individual leagues has been a bit shaky even though his Proleague results this year have been amazing.
We'll see. I don't want to jinx any team/player I want to win so I'll just keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best.
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I don't think we'll see any ace matches this series, KHAN to take it. If it does come to ace though then Stork will be sent, January goes on who has been practicing for the map. Stork has been looking good anyway and as the senior player (and my favourite) I would love to see him take it home for KHAN.
KHAN hwaiting!
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On July 26 2009 11:53 Kyo Yuy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2009 10:41 Aegraen wrote:Ah, I'm glad I'm a SKT1 fan, don't have to worry about Bisu, Best, and Fantasy (Imagine if we get to see Boxer in the finals...omg! (This is probably a pipe dream though)) Personally, I hope Khan wins, as it will be easier for SKT1 fans. Fixed. I'd rather deal with KHAN fans than CJ or Hwaseung OZ fans. Fans from the latter two teams tend to like to bash non-zerg players/other teams/not-Jaedong-or-Savior regardless of which team actually wins.
CJ fans do annoy me, Oz fans not so much.
Still- go Khan! Show CJ the Protoss race can still win at high level play!
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On July 26 2009 12:11 Zato-1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2009 11:53 Kyo Yuy wrote:On July 26 2009 10:41 Aegraen wrote:Ah, I'm glad I'm a SKT1 fan, don't have to worry about Bisu, Best, and Fantasy (Imagine if we get to see Boxer in the finals...omg! (This is probably a pipe dream though)) Personally, I hope Khan wins, as it will be easier for SKT1 fans. Fixed. I'd rather deal with KHAN fans than CJ or Hwaseung OZ fans. Fans from the latter two teams tend to like to bash non-zerg players/other teams/not-Jaedong-or-Savior regardless of which team actually wins. CJ fans do annoy me, Oz fans not so much. Still- go Khan! Show CJ the Protoss race can still win at high level play!
Oz fans are fine until JD loses, then there's 10 pages of 'does he look tired?' and 'look at his schedule'.
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On July 26 2009 11:53 Kyo Yuy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2009 10:41 Aegraen wrote:Ah, I'm glad I'm a SKT1 fan, don't have to worry about Bisu, Best, and Fantasy (Imagine if we get to see Boxer in the finals...omg! (This is probably a pipe dream though)) Personally, I hope Khan wins, as it will be easier for SKT1 fans. Fixed. I'd rather deal with KHAN fans than CJ or Hwaseung OZ fans. Fans from the latter two teams tend to like to bash non-zerg players/other teams/not-Jaedong-or-Savior regardless of which team actually wins. Classic example. If Jaedong beats Bisu, Bisu is a noob who can't play Starcraft worth crap. If Bisu beats Jaedong, Protoss is clearly an imba race and Bisu plays EZ mode and everything was unfair. Replace Bisu with Fantasy, Protoss with Terran, and EZ mode with mech build, and the same situation applies once more! As I've said before, KHAN won't be any easier for SKT and I feel in some ways they are more of a threat. Especially since KHAN's team structure is VERY similar to SKT1's - two solid Protosses, one solid Terran, and oh-yeah-someone-on-the-team-plays-zerg. It's true that Best and Firebathero have been questionable lately, but OVERALL their teams don't look very different in terms of their depth and the races that their strongest players represent. One thing I will give to SKT1 is that SKT1 has a lot more "star players" - Bisu, Fantasy, iloveoov, and Boxer. But I doubt the latter two will be played. Plus Bisu's performance on the individual leagues has been a bit shaky even though his Proleague results this year have been amazing. We'll see. I don't want to jinx any team/player I want to win so I'll just keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best.
Which is why Khan vs SKT1 Grand Finals would be epic! Because they both share similar team format and structure. But you gotta think about it, SKT1 are currently on a roll right before they finished Round 5 compared to Khan.... yet Khan is doing pretty well this playoffs...
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I would rather have a CJ vs T1 finals simply because outside of Stork and Jangbi, I don't see anyone else from Khan that would give us epic matches vs SKT T1.
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On July 26 2009 12:15 Count9 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2009 12:11 Zato-1 wrote:On July 26 2009 11:53 Kyo Yuy wrote:On July 26 2009 10:41 Aegraen wrote:Ah, I'm glad I'm a SKT1 fan, don't have to worry about Bisu, Best, and Fantasy (Imagine if we get to see Boxer in the finals...omg! (This is probably a pipe dream though)) Personally, I hope Khan wins, as it will be easier for SKT1 fans. Fixed. I'd rather deal with KHAN fans than CJ or Hwaseung OZ fans. Fans from the latter two teams tend to like to bash non-zerg players/other teams/not-Jaedong-or-Savior regardless of which team actually wins. CJ fans do annoy me, Oz fans not so much. Still- go Khan! Show CJ the Protoss race can still win at high level play! Oz fans are fine until JD loses, then there's 10 pages of 'does he look tired?' and 'look at his schedule'.
And also oz fans don't want to admit their team has no depth at all. Sure khan plays stork/jangbi/fbh/great all the time, but khan doesn't rely on one specific person. They contribute evenly to khan's victory, some like jangbi might contribute a bit more, unlike oz which often rely on win one and jd will take 2 strategy.
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FBH vs Fantasy/Canata would be epic.
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And also oz fans don't want to admit their team has no depth at all. Sure khan plays stork/jangbi/fbh/great all the time, but khan doesn't rely on one specific person. They contribute evenly to khan's victory, some like jangbi might contribute a bit more, unlike oz which often rely on win one and jd will take 2 strategy.
KHAN fans just praise the big 3 of their team endlessly, even when they're some of the biggest slumpers in the league at the moment. Every team has fans that do annoying things. 
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MY team's fans trashtalk less than YOUR team's fans.
+ Show Spoiler +CJ, SKT, and Hwaseung fans all suck obv
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On July 26 2009 10:56 BisuBoi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2009 10:33 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 26 2009 09:55 BisuBoi wrote:
It's really weird but it seems like CJ fans are much more disjointed from reality than Khan fans. THey predict their players to win all matches except ones where the other guy is ridiculously favored, such as Much vs Jangbi.
Khan fans on the other hand tend to say stuff like "I hope Khan wins. It will be tough but i think we got this, etc." Their comments are tempered by numerous failures and fluke losses lol. CJ's fans seem to worship their team's players and think they can do no wrong...
Effort's good, but he's not a 100% lock for every single match guys. There's a reason he's 60+% and not 100%. To always predict he's going to win is just ludicrous. How do you expect a guy to win his match, win the possible ace match, then go on to win the super ace match? I don't see Cho making effort responsible for TWO ace matches in one night. That's a tremendous burden for any player. He is the favorite vs Great. He is a great ace player. But to predict 3-0 in one night? That's a tall order. Even if the ace maps are the same.
And then the CJ fans calling Kwanro > Miracle. Sure, it could happen, but it flies in the face of reason. Kwanro lost just last night! And it's not like he lost on some fluke or to some kind of failed all-in. Miracle had a build order advantage and then absolutely crushed Kwanro with it, while Kwanro showed that he doesn't have what it takes to harass Miracle. If that's not an obvious indicator that Kwanro and Miracle are equally matched, I don't know what is. There was no point in that game where Kwanro showed any superiority. Not in micro, macro, strategy, or starsense.
Same with the Iris vs FBH game. I'd squarely put that in FBH's corner. He is a superb TvT player and nothing he's done during his slump has indicated otherwise. How many players you know could push FLash into a disadvantageous position in mid-game? Sure FBH lost it by playing too conservatively and just banking on BC's, but it doesn't take away from his skill. Iris has shown multiple times that he just cannot handle late-game play. He can't. To predict Iris > FBH across the board is just nutty in my op.
Movie vs Juni I'd give to Movie. THis guy's beaten JD multiple times. He's no fluke here. Juni is god awful. No arguments from me here.
But overall, I think it is very much a tossup. My predictions:
SkyHigh < Stork
Kwanro = Miracle
Effort > Great
Much < Jangbi
Iris < FBH
Movie > Juni
Effort > Jangbi
Effort < Jangbi
Khan in 4:2 or Khan in Super Ace.
Honestly, it just seems like you like being an ass for no reason. CJ fans aren't some mysterious phenomenon that is like this - there are fans for every team that do it. To say it's just CJ fans makes you look like a complete jackass. People predict Effort to win because he's the 2nd best Zerg in the league - 3 wins in a night may be extreme, but people make radical predictions all the time and it's no exception with Effort because he's pretty much CJ's best player hands. He's also picked to win so many because, if you pool all the players on each team, he's probably the best player out of them all. He's currently performing better than anyone else on either team, and KHAN definitely can't hold a player up to him - KHAN's 3 big names are all slumping pretty badly. People also call Kwanro over Miracle because out of everything we know, it's the logical decision. Kwanro has risen to be in the top tier of players in the league, and his performance has shown it - Miracle's definitely hasn't. Just because he lost to Miracle doesn't mean Kwanro sucks. Look at Effort vs. Jaedong in the GSL. Effort completely raped Jaedong and made him look like a scrub in a BO3 series, winning 2-0. Are you still going to actually seriously predict Effort to beat Jaedong in a game, let alone a ZvZ, where JD is at EIGHTY PERCENT? Only if you were a complete moron. Iris is predicted over FBH for a lot of people because, over the past couple months, FBH has been in the worst slump known to man. He has dropped out of every individual league and has dropped plenty of PL games. Furthermore, Iris is NOT some slouch. He is easily able to be named as one of the top Terrans around, and his performance in the individual leagues shows it. He's a seasoned veteran and his recent performance has been very noteable (of course, with some losses, but everyone has those. It's not like he's looked as bad as, say, his upcoming opponent). It doesn't make me look like anything, but cursing at people several times and calling them names over it certainly doesn't make you look like a decent fellow. I thank you for taking the time respond back with reasons, but I don't see why it's necessary to curse at people and freak out. Even if you think I'm stupid, that doesn't make it okay to go apeshit. Just state your case and I'll look a lot dumber based on your argument (if it's a good one). Anyhow, I don't think you can call Kwanro's ZvT anything close to JD's ZvZ. The analogy doesn't work for me. And just percentage wise, Miracle's 57%. Yeah, I know, Kwanro historically has proven himself more than Miracle has. But you could say the same for all of Khan's A-team compared to CJ's (sans Iris). The difference I think is that Khan has excellent players that have recently not performed well. CJ has players that recently are on very hot streaks, but historically have not been crazily dominant like a Bisu, Stork, JD, Flash. I just think it's silly to ALWAYS call it for the A-team guy over the B-team guy. It's like okay, people can make these predictions, but there's no thinking involved in just picking the guy with higher stats. If it was that easy, everyone would be #1 on LB. Guess I'm just wondering why people have such stale predictions that are based on win %'s more than anything else.
I was calling this how it is because stereotyping one group of people, no matter what it is, is completely ignorant and does make you look like an asshole. You should know as well as anyone that every group of fans has those certain people that are crazy or do weird stuff that's annoying, and to go on about a specific group of fans just grinds my gears because there are plenty of KHAN fans that do similar things.
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On July 26 2009 10:18 eatmyshorts5 wrote:
Why do you make the assumption that everybody does this. And there is plenty of posts from Khan fans that say like "4-0 Khan EZ" or "4-1 Khan EZ". Please don't be a hypocrite and please don't make the assumption that everyone does it.
BWA! Did you c the other thread. While all cj fans were going 4-0 cj ez. Khan fans were like 4 - 0 khan, hey it could happen, or 4 - 0 khan i believe. I think nobody wrote 4 - 0 khan ez seriously.
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On July 26 2009 12:25 Balfazar wrote:
FBH vs Fantasy/Canata would be epic.
Yeah, epic fail by FBH.
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Until I see a news post on the front page dedicated to the magic and heroism of KHANs newer players, CJ fans are worse .
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On July 26 2009 12:19 Avidkeystamper wrote:
I would rather have a CJ vs T1 finals simply because outside of Stork and Jangbi, I don't see anyone else from Khan that would give us epic matches vs SKT T1.
T1: Bisu Best Fantasy TheZerg Hyuk Boxer(?)
Khan: Stork Great Jangbi FBH Miracle Odin
CJ: Effort Kwanro Much Skyhigh Iris Savior(?)
i didnt watch yesterdays performance that Odin pulled off but its definitely not going to be a boring match SKT vs Khan =p
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On July 26 2009 12:34 JFKWT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2009 12:19 Avidkeystamper wrote:
I would rather have a CJ vs T1 finals simply because outside of Stork and Jangbi, I don't see anyone else from Khan that would give us epic matches vs SKT T1. T1: Bisu Best Fantasy TheZerg Hyuk Boxer(?) Khan: Stork Great Jangbi FBH Miracle Odin CJ: Effort Kwanro Much Skyhigh Iris Savior(?) i didnt watch yesterdays performance that Odin pulled off but its definitely not going to be a boring match SKT vs Khan =p
Movie?
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