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GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
June 11 2009 12:23 GMT
#461
택용 oh my god.... why did you lose..... ㅠ.ㅠ
#1 olleh KT 팬 http://sports.kt.com/ | #1 김택용 선수 팬 | 좋은 선수: 송병구, 이제동, 도제욱, 정명훈, 이성은 | KeSPA 한국 e-Sports 협회
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
June 11 2009 12:24 GMT
#462
Imagine if free succeeds in cheesing Bisu. lol

Biggest upset in the MSL. :D
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
SHr3DD3r
Profile Joined March 2009
Pakistan2137 Posts
June 11 2009 12:25 GMT
#463
Game1
Game2
Winners Game ---> Winner Qualifies

Later Date---
Losers Game
Winner of Losers Game vs Loser of Winners Game ----> Winner Qualifies
Hit them hard! Hit them low! - Forever a Bisu Fan!~!
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-11 12:29:16
June 11 2009 12:26 GMT
#464
On June 11 2009 21:21 .risingdragoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2009 21:14 latent wrote:
On June 11 2009 21:10 .risingdragoon wrote:
how are you gonna enter a fight and hope to pick off probes without losing ur own goons? this is a mirror match dude

and those probes trapped bisu by cutting into his goons, didn't you see that?


You pick off probes without losing goons by microing your goons the way even an amateur knows how.

Bisu just barged in there chasing after Jangbi's goons, completely ignoring the mass of probes that were attacking him. Jangbi really didn't have that many goons, and he couldn't reinforce from all 4 gateways while using his probes to attack/defend.
LMAO

and while you hit the probes, his goons are hitting you. goons have the same range you realize? and to get the probes bisu had to walk past jangbi's goons, thereby taking fire.

jangbi didn't even pull those 6 or so probes first thing, he waited for bisu to enter deep into his nat before pulling and cutting into bisu, trapping him

I don't know what you were watching dude lol


Are you being serious? Do you really not know what GTR's talking about? Bisu completely opened himself up to getting sealed off by Jangbi's Probes by charging in. He could have traded shots with Jangbi and baited the Probes into the fight, at which point you can back away from the Probes while taking potshots, and then Jangbi's Probes are blocking his own Dragoons from moving forward to hit Bisu's Dragoons.

Probes are only an advantage in a fight if you let them get position - otherwise they're just a wall to be picked off between two armies that can't get to each other because one is retreating and picking off Probes. Bisu probably didn't expect Jangbi to have been rolling 4 Gateways as well and so he figured he could power his way through the Probes, but it was an unnecessary risk and poorly handled.

Stop thinking about the Bisu-Jangbi fight from the moment Bisu got Probe surrounded and start thinking about it from 5 seconds before. Of course by the time Bisu went in there's no amount of micro that could save him, the whole point was that he opened himself up to that risk when there were better ways to handle those 5 seconds leading up to the fight. At the very minimum, he didn't have to make it TRIVIAL for Jangbi's Probes to get such good position.

I was wholeheartedly rooting against Bisu in that game but there's no denying he played that fight poorly, making it easy for an elite player like Jangbi to seize the huge opportunity that was given to him.
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-11 12:40:03
June 11 2009 12:30 GMT
#465
a 4gate is not a build that lets you harass buddy, you have to do real damage or it's game, in this case take the nat high ground over. how you gonna do that without going in there?

yeah, I'm serious

On June 11 2009 21:26 darktreb wrote:At the very minimum, he didn't have to make it TRIVIAL for Jangbi's Probes to get such good position.


I dunno WTH you talking about, he had like zero choice there. It was jangbi's call when and how to pull his probes, and he did it beautifully by drawing bisu in and cutting in between him.
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1715 Posts
June 11 2009 12:32 GMT
#466
On June 11 2009 21:24 SuperArc wrote:
Imagine if free succeeds in cheesing Bisu. lol

Biggest upset in the MSL. :D


yeah... this would be an upset... no bisu and jangbi in group b... too bad.. and there goes my liquibet lol
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
Nanoo
Profile Joined March 2009
229 Posts
June 11 2009 12:33 GMT
#467
yeah Kal....

plz win the losers match n advance bisu...
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
June 11 2009 12:38 GMT
#468
Kal is my hero.
Don't Shoot the Penguins. | Dance, 성은, dance! | Killer FanKlub | Action sucks. | Storm Terran hwaiting.
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
June 11 2009 12:42 GMT
#469
(P)Bisu used to be good at PvP... what happened to that. lol go (P)Kal!
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
June 11 2009 12:44 GMT
#470
WTF KAL!?!?!?
[~~The Impossible Leads To Invention~~] CJ Entusman #52 The problem with internet quotations is that they are hard to verify -Abraham Lincoln c.1863
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
June 11 2009 12:50 GMT
#471
Did I hear right... kal defeating bisu? something is srsly wrong
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
June 11 2009 12:52 GMT
#472
No, Jangbi beat Bisu. Kal beat Free and Jangbi.
Remember Violet.
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
June 11 2009 13:08 GMT
#473
On June 11 2009 21:50 Zoler wrote:
Did I hear right... kal defeating bisu? something is srsly wrong

Jangbi > Bisu
Jangbi < Kal
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
June 11 2009 13:22 GMT
#474
all planned out by jangbi, now he has to only kill free to advance... if thats the system... but i higly doubt so... but chances are high now that bisu doesnt win come out of this group

(P)Bisu > (P)free[gm]
(P)JangBi > (P)Bisu #2
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
June 11 2009 13:24 GMT
#475
On June 11 2009 21:42 Count9 wrote:
(P)Bisu used to be good at PvP... what happened to that.


Well yeah, because when people lose to the likes of Jangbi they must be really bad.

Even the best players drop a game eventually, especially if it's a bo1.Bisu has been losing a game here and there lately but he's arguably one of the best PvP-ers in the scene.
SonuvBob: Yes, the majority of TL is college-aged, and thus clearly stupid.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
June 11 2009 13:26 GMT
#476
It's not THAT he lost, but how he lost...
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
AlwaysGG
Profile Joined March 2009
Taiwan952 Posts
June 11 2009 13:28 GMT
#477
LOL i voted bisu n kal advancing looks like its gonna become reality
Trust 神教教主 FlaSh | Believe 火心 EffOrt
KnightOfNi
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1508 Posts
June 11 2009 13:39 GMT
#478
HAHA BISU LOSES. FAILLLLLLLLLLLLLL.

Now on to watching the VODs.
RIP eSTRO :(
NO MY LIQUIBET
Profile Joined May 2009
United States294 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-11 14:05:46
June 11 2009 14:00 GMT
#479
UGH MY LIQUIBET (totally serious here).

I'm in a LB slump.

Edit: Hey, it turns out I voted Kal and Jangbi to win their matchs and then both to advance, guess my Liquibet was safe.
NO MY LIQUIBET
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
June 11 2009 14:02 GMT
#480
On June 11 2009 23:00 NO MY LIQUIBET wrote:
NO MY LIQUIBET

fixed
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