WTH??? There is no "counter 4 gate"... If you fast expand you're at a disadvantage for a little while. If the probes are blocking you then you pick off those probes...duh.

Lhefriel_Medies

United States28 Posts

June 11 2009 12:03 GMT

#422

On June 11 2009 21:00 latent wrote:
BTW rising, have you already forgotten how many times Bisu has received praise for his amazing probe micro, especially in PvP? He's used his probes to bail himself out of a bad situation numerous times. In this case Bisu's poor dragoon micro allowed Jangbi to do the same thing.

I don't really think so either. Even if he had taken out the probes, it seems like they would buy enough time for Jangbi to hold it in the end anyways.

GTR

51640 Posts

June 11 2009 12:04 GMT

#423

On June 11 2009 21:02 .risingdragoon wrote:

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there was no timing window, bisu got build countered

and how you gonna retreat, let his nat live, and hope to win off of 1 base?

how you gonna pick off the probes when you get probe blocked?

timing window - from the time jangbi put up his expansion to putting down his extra gateways. it was around two-three minutes.
he was aware that there were probes at the expansion. you would have been a complete idiot to NOT expect probes to be pulled to help defend.
there was no way he was going to take out the expansion the way he reacted.

you are a really bad poster by the way

.risingdragoon

United States3021 Posts

June 11 2009 12:05 GMT

#424

On June 11 2009 21:03 latent wrote:
WTH??? There is no "counter 4 gate"... If you fast expand you're at a disadvantage for a little while. If the probes are blocking you then you pick off those probes...duh.

WTF you talking about

you never heard of defender's advantage? how you gonna 4gate on a huge map like that? even running across puts you at pretty much even, bisu had soemthing like 1 goon advantage when he went in with the rest running the map still

latent

United States428 Posts

June 11 2009 12:07 GMT

#425

From an economic perspective, Jangbi and Bisu had approximately equal probe counts at first, amiright? Maybe Jangbi with a few less b/c he had to cut probes a little early in order to build those gateways. If Jangbi's using those probes to block and constantly losing them to dragoon fire, he won't be able to replenish his forces from his 4 gateways, while Bisu is just pumping off of his own 4 gateways. That's tough to come back from.

NovaTheFeared

United States7232 Posts

June 11 2009 12:09 GMT

#426

On June 11 2009 21:07 latent wrote:
From an economic perspective, Jangbi and Bisu had approximately equal probe counts at first, amiright? Maybe Jangbi with a few less b/c he had to cut probes a little early in order to build those gateways. If Jangbi's using those probes to block and constantly losing them to dragoon fire, he won't be able to replenish his forces from his 4 gateways, while Bisu is just pumping off of his own 4 gateways. That's tough to come back from.

Jangbi had way more probes than Bisu by the time the attack came. Bisu cut probes hard to get 4 gates running off 1 base.

.risingdragoon

United States3021 Posts

June 11 2009 12:10 GMT

#427

how are you gonna enter a fight and hope to pick off probes without losing ur own goons? this is a mirror match dude

and those probes trapped bisu by cutting into his goons, didn't you see that?

intotherainx

United States504 Posts

June 11 2009 12:11 GMT

#428

kal manner pylon yess

.risingdragoon

United States3021 Posts

June 11 2009 12:14 GMT

#429

On June 11 2009 21:04 GTR wrote:

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I think you should watch the game and keep your personal attacks to yourself

by the way

latent

United States428 Posts

June 11 2009 12:14 GMT

#430

On June 11 2009 21:10 .risingdragoon wrote:
how are you gonna enter a fight and hope to pick off probes without losing ur own goons? this is a mirror match dude

and those probes trapped bisu by cutting into his goons, didn't you see that?

You pick off probes without losing goons by microing your goons the way even an amateur knows how.

Bisu just barged in there chasing after Jangbi's goons, completely ignoring the mass of probes that were attacking him. Jangbi really didn't have that many goons, and he couldn't reinforce from all 4 gateways while using his probes to attack/defend.