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On June 10 2009 21:05 Itachii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2009 21:02 BWdero wrote:
Holy shit thats the most one sided liquibet I've ever seen. Jangbi vs Frozean was more 1 sided i think, Cuteangel had like 4 votes. Anyway these people who vote for such players piss me off after upset, they are like HEY I KNEW IT WAS COMMING, but they spend whole season voting for such underdogs lol.
nope, this was more one-sided
anyway iirc, the most one-sided one to lose was a justin game in gom msl s1. it was like 1300-5 and 5 won.
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On June 10 2009 21:02 .risingdragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2009 20:59 SilverskY wrote:
There's a sense of insecurity I feel watching FlaSh's game. Something I didn't feel when he was "the Ultimate Weapon" back in the days. Back then when I saw a FlaSh game, I knew it was gonna be an auto-win, but I don't really feel that anymore. I really hope that FlaSh steps up his gameplay. I still feel that, even when his games lately drag on into lategame you can still see his aura, his moves are still rock solid. there's a hard edge to his style just not tonight, which is weird cus flash had weird gameplan game 1 Show nested quote +On June 10 2009 21:01 iLoveKT wrote:On June 10 2009 20:58 .risingdragoon wrote:
dunno how much flash trained on the new map, that first game was kinda lmaowtf
low-damage mass vult, I wonder what kinda situation was flash going for it almost worked though... until stasis came. nah it never worked, I knew he wasn't gonna hit that timing even if it worked better and it didn't, it was worse. he got pushed back again and again
I do think games 2 and 3 felt closer than they actually were because of game 1.
Game 2 was pretty rough at first but it seems like Flash clearly planned to essentially burn two Tanks (seeing as how he did again in game 3) for scouting and the possibility of doing a Probe splash massacre. 12 Nexus against Flash by a mid-level Protoss really doesn't mean that much, and ironically enough Shuttle's Shuttle play achieved virtually nothing and it was actually pretty clear at that point that Flash was in the clear. What Shuttle needed to do was do some significant damage to either Flash's natural or back min-only, which he failed to do because he sought to do a Bulldog but Flash moved out perfectly and got a wall of buildings up.
Game 3 was just standard fare. If it weren't for the previous 2 games, we all would have watched game 3 and thought "that's the usual" ... Protoss gets 5 or 6 bases all the time against Flash and this is the usual outcome each time.
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On June 10 2009 21:07 Tyxiquale wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2009 21:02 .risingdragoon wrote:On June 10 2009 20:59 SilverskY wrote:
There's a sense of insecurity I feel watching FlaSh's game. Something I didn't feel when he was "the Ultimate Weapon" back in the days. Back then when I saw a FlaSh game, I knew it was gonna be an auto-win, but I don't really feel that anymore. I really hope that FlaSh steps up his gameplay. I still feel that, even when his games lately drag on into lategame you can still see his aura, his moves are still rock solid. there's a hard edge to his style just not tonight, which is weird cus flash had weird gameplan game 1 On June 10 2009 21:01 iLoveKT wrote:On June 10 2009 20:58 .risingdragoon wrote:
dunno how much flash trained on the new map, that first game was kinda lmaowtf
low-damage mass vult, I wonder what kinda situation was flash going for it almost worked though... until stasis came. nah it never worked, I knew he wasn't gonna hit that timing even if it worked better and it didn't, it was worse. he got pushed back again and again I don't think it was weird at all. He saw a 14nexus, and had to change his build to counter it. As you said, he tried to hit a timing window, but unfortunately, couldn't make use of it. You can't say that it was a weird gameplan.. it just didn't work out for him this game.
It was weird cus after not working he set up for a contain and deny, and that didn't work either
nobody does this 8fac skinny tank that I've ever seen, it's so damn weak. for somebody else it could be an okay game, but that was probably the most fail game flash played in a while.
unless there's something to this new map holyworld that lets you do this somehow, this is the first tvp on it. only flash knows
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On June 10 2009 21:16 .risingdragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2009 21:07 Tyxiquale wrote:On June 10 2009 21:02 .risingdragoon wrote:On June 10 2009 20:59 SilverskY wrote:
There's a sense of insecurity I feel watching FlaSh's game. Something I didn't feel when he was "the Ultimate Weapon" back in the days. Back then when I saw a FlaSh game, I knew it was gonna be an auto-win, but I don't really feel that anymore. I really hope that FlaSh steps up his gameplay. I still feel that, even when his games lately drag on into lategame you can still see his aura, his moves are still rock solid. there's a hard edge to his style just not tonight, which is weird cus flash had weird gameplan game 1 On June 10 2009 21:01 iLoveKT wrote:On June 10 2009 20:58 .risingdragoon wrote:
dunno how much flash trained on the new map, that first game was kinda lmaowtf
low-damage mass vult, I wonder what kinda situation was flash going for it almost worked though... until stasis came. nah it never worked, I knew he wasn't gonna hit that timing even if it worked better and it didn't, it was worse. he got pushed back again and again I don't think it was weird at all. He saw a 14nexus, and had to change his build to counter it. As you said, he tried to hit a timing window, but unfortunately, couldn't make use of it. You can't say that it was a weird gameplan.. it just didn't work out for him this game. It was weird cus after not working he set up for a contain and deny, and that didn't work either nobody does this 8fac skinny tank that I've ever seen, it's so damn weak. for somebody else it could be an okay game, but that was probably the most fail game flash played in a while.
I just don't understand this flash hate.. if he does early armory, turtles, 3 expansions, techs to EMP, and then moves out a +2/+1 and rolls any non S-class protoss, people call him boring.
When he tries to go for a timing window and fails, people say its weak...
so what the hell is he supposed to do?
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whos hatin? as if what I wrote the last 2 pages doesn't make me a flash fan. or that I fly the KTF banna
man what a tool x)
On June 10 2009 21:09 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2009 21:02 .risingdragoon wrote:On June 10 2009 20:59 SilverskY wrote:
There's a sense of insecurity I feel watching FlaSh's game. Something I didn't feel when he was "the Ultimate Weapon" back in the days. Back then when I saw a FlaSh game, I knew it was gonna be an auto-win, but I don't really feel that anymore. I really hope that FlaSh steps up his gameplay. I still feel that, even when his games lately drag on into lategame you can still see his aura, his moves are still rock solid. there's a hard edge to his style just not tonight, which is weird cus flash had weird gameplan game 1 On June 10 2009 21:01 iLoveKT wrote:On June 10 2009 20:58 .risingdragoon wrote:
dunno how much flash trained on the new map, that first game was kinda lmaowtf
low-damage mass vult, I wonder what kinda situation was flash going for it almost worked though... until stasis came. nah it never worked, I knew he wasn't gonna hit that timing even if it worked better and it didn't, it was worse. he got pushed back again and again I do think games 2 and 3 felt closer than they actually were because of game 1. Game 2 was pretty rough at first but it seems like Flash clearly planned to essentially burn two Tanks (seeing as how he did again in game 3) for scouting and the possibility of doing a Probe splash massacre. 12 Nexus against Flash by a mid-level Protoss really doesn't mean that much, and ironically enough Shuttle's Shuttle play achieved virtually nothing and it was actually pretty clear at that point that Flash was in the clear. What Shuttle needed to do was do some significant damage to either Flash's natural or back min-only, which he failed to do because he sought to do a Bulldog but Flash moved out perfectly and got a wall of buildings up. Game 3 was just standard fare. If it weren't for the previous 2 games, we all would have watched game 3 and thought "that's the usual" ... Protoss gets 5 or 6 bases all the time against Flash and this is the usual outcome each time.
It's funny, I don't remember anything from games 2-3 lol, right after.
just that he pushed with the standard 2-1 ratio vult/tank combo and won game 2 easily, turtled and bmed a little game 3. must''ve been forgettable 
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On June 10 2009 21:19 Tyxiquale wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2009 21:16 .risingdragoon wrote:On June 10 2009 21:07 Tyxiquale wrote:On June 10 2009 21:02 .risingdragoon wrote:On June 10 2009 20:59 SilverskY wrote:
There's a sense of insecurity I feel watching FlaSh's game. Something I didn't feel when he was "the Ultimate Weapon" back in the days. Back then when I saw a FlaSh game, I knew it was gonna be an auto-win, but I don't really feel that anymore. I really hope that FlaSh steps up his gameplay. I still feel that, even when his games lately drag on into lategame you can still see his aura, his moves are still rock solid. there's a hard edge to his style just not tonight, which is weird cus flash had weird gameplan game 1 On June 10 2009 21:01 iLoveKT wrote:On June 10 2009 20:58 .risingdragoon wrote:
dunno how much flash trained on the new map, that first game was kinda lmaowtf
low-damage mass vult, I wonder what kinda situation was flash going for it almost worked though... until stasis came. nah it never worked, I knew he wasn't gonna hit that timing even if it worked better and it didn't, it was worse. he got pushed back again and again I don't think it was weird at all. He saw a 14nexus, and had to change his build to counter it. As you said, he tried to hit a timing window, but unfortunately, couldn't make use of it. You can't say that it was a weird gameplan.. it just didn't work out for him this game. It was weird cus after not working he set up for a contain and deny, and that didn't work either nobody does this 8fac skinny tank that I've ever seen, it's so damn weak. for somebody else it could be an okay game, but that was probably the most fail game flash played in a while. I just don't understand this flash hate.. if he does early armory, turtles, 3 expansions, techs to EMP, and then moves out a +2/+1 and rolls any non S-class protoss, people call him boring. When he tries to go for a timing window and fails, people say its weak... so what the hell is he supposed to do?
Go for a timing window and win?
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On June 10 2009 21:08 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2009 21:05 Itachii wrote:On June 10 2009 21:02 BWdero wrote:
Holy shit thats the most one sided liquibet I've ever seen. Jangbi vs Frozean was more 1 sided i think, Cuteangel had like 4 votes. Anyway these people who vote for such players piss me off after upset, they are like HEY I KNEW IT WAS COMMING, but they spend whole season voting for such underdogs lol. nope, this was more one-sided anyway iirc, the most one-sided one to lose was a justin game in gom msl s1. it was like 1300-5 and 5 won.
haha thanks for correction, damm too bad i missed Justin game~
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On June 10 2009 21:51 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2009 21:19 Tyxiquale wrote:On June 10 2009 21:16 .risingdragoon wrote:On June 10 2009 21:07 Tyxiquale wrote:On June 10 2009 21:02 .risingdragoon wrote:On June 10 2009 20:59 SilverskY wrote:
There's a sense of insecurity I feel watching FlaSh's game. Something I didn't feel when he was "the Ultimate Weapon" back in the days. Back then when I saw a FlaSh game, I knew it was gonna be an auto-win, but I don't really feel that anymore. I really hope that FlaSh steps up his gameplay. I still feel that, even when his games lately drag on into lategame you can still see his aura, his moves are still rock solid. there's a hard edge to his style just not tonight, which is weird cus flash had weird gameplan game 1 On June 10 2009 21:01 iLoveKT wrote:On June 10 2009 20:58 .risingdragoon wrote:
dunno how much flash trained on the new map, that first game was kinda lmaowtf
low-damage mass vult, I wonder what kinda situation was flash going for it almost worked though... until stasis came. nah it never worked, I knew he wasn't gonna hit that timing even if it worked better and it didn't, it was worse. he got pushed back again and again I don't think it was weird at all. He saw a 14nexus, and had to change his build to counter it. As you said, he tried to hit a timing window, but unfortunately, couldn't make use of it. You can't say that it was a weird gameplan.. it just didn't work out for him this game. It was weird cus after not working he set up for a contain and deny, and that didn't work either nobody does this 8fac skinny tank that I've ever seen, it's so damn weak. for somebody else it could be an okay game, but that was probably the most fail game flash played in a while. I just don't understand this flash hate.. if he does early armory, turtles, 3 expansions, techs to EMP, and then moves out a +2/+1 and rolls any non S-class protoss, people call him boring. When he tries to go for a timing window and fails, people say its weak... so what the hell is he supposed to do? Go for a timing window and win?
lol... u got me there...
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On June 10 2009 20:53 okum wrote:
Scary play by Flash in all three games... but for different meanings of "scary".
yes.... although 'boring' i will say for what flash lacks in harass and micro he makes up for in his macro and game sense. He just knows things.
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
Mm.. results not updated?
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interesting... flash and shuttle was the first TvP series played in this OSL
okay.. not that interesting.
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Taiwan1819 Posts
Yeah, Lee Young Ho~~ Win your long deserved 2nd title!
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I have no idea who won the Shuttle-Flash set 3... I'm getting really mixed messages from reading the thread lol. Anyone wanna update the OP?
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On June 10 2009 09:46 Solinren wrote:
PLU doesn't stream OnGameNet matches.
I won't be watching this tonight, but it's Flash so I'm not worried.
That's not true, PLU streams OSL matches. Try http://1.plu.cn.
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This reminds me of Jaedong's near-fail against jjonga in GOM.
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On June 10 2009 20:26 noth1n wrote:
bye flash, unless we see some sick timing push, economy kicking in in like 2 mins :'(
Pft non believers.
We're talking about Flash here, the Terran that pulls units out of his ass and rolls.
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On June 11 2009 04:58 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2009 20:26 noth1n wrote:
bye flash, unless we see some sick timing push, economy kicking in in like 2 mins :'( Pft non believers. We're talking about Flash here, the Terran that pulls units out of his ass and rolls.
lol, so true.
It always seems like Flash units are cheaper than they really are
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United States13143 Posts
Props to Shuttle for a) using corsair-reaver and showing what might be the way forward on Holy World in PvZ, and b)Putting up a good fight against Flash.
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On June 10 2009 21:08 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2009 21:05 Itachii wrote:On June 10 2009 21:02 BWdero wrote:
Holy shit thats the most one sided liquibet I've ever seen. Jangbi vs Frozean was more 1 sided i think, Cuteangel had like 4 votes. Anyway these people who vote for such players piss me off after upset, they are like HEY I KNEW IT WAS COMMING, but they spend whole season voting for such underdogs lol. nope, this was more one-sided anyway iirc, the most one-sided one to lose was a justin game in gom msl s1. it was like 1300-5 and 5 won.
I'd say spear vs savior in some odt, it was like 1400-10 and i won that too haha
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