Much: "I just chose my favorite player" MSL: "What do you like about him?" Much: "He's a bit feminine." Much: "It's the way he speaks.. and.. I think he's quite feminine." MSL: "I thought you said he was sexy the last time?"
go.go: "I didn't originally have a ceremony prepared. There was somebody I had in mind, but he was already taken, so I chose forGG because I think he'll be easy. I originally wanted to play against Nada. It's because if I face Nada, I'll be able to advance into the Round of 8 faster."
MSL: "Do you feel better now that Tempest isn't here? Would you have chosen him if he had qualified?" Fantasy: "I feel much more comfortable. I would simply avoid him. I chose Luxury because I wanted to play against him. It has nothing to do with Flash (Flash's name is below Luxury)"
On June 04 2009 19:15 konadora wrote: Oh it's go.go
4th msl, kespa something
naughty boy terran lol
he chooses... forGG
ANOTHER TVT
go.go: "I didn't originally have a ceremony prepared. There was somebody I had in mind, but he was already taken, so I chose forGG because I think he'll be easy. I originally wanted to play against Nada. It's because if I face Nada, I'll be able to advance into the Round of 8 faster."
MSL: "Did you originally choose Stork?" Calm: "I wanted to play other players, but they seem too tough. I am quite a strong player in individual leagues, so I will do fine."
MSL: "Why Jaedong?" Horang2: "Last time in the Proleague, I lost too disappointingly to Jaedong. I want to take my revenge." MSL: "Do you have confidence?" Horang2: "Not at all"
MSL: "What's behind the ceremony?" Hiya: "This dance and song went well, but I couldn't do it with my face. So I used forGG's face, who I am close with. one of forGG's fan gave me the mask."
On June 04 2009 19:14 DennizR wrote: These picks don't matter anyways guys. It'll all be decided by the seeds at the end
Can someone link me or explain how the group selection process works thanks
Don't have a link or anything, but basically they'll all choose a group to be in first, but in the end the seeds all get to move em around, with 1st seed getting the last move etc. Many opportunities to screw stuff up.
Skyhigh: "I just didn't want to face anyone from my team." MSL: "You've been called the 'Little berserker'. Who's the stronger berserker?" Skyhigh: "For now, it's Iris."
On June 04 2009 19:14 DennizR wrote: These picks don't matter anyways guys. It'll all be decided by the seeds at the end
Can someone link me or explain how the group selection process works thanks
Don't have a link or anything, but basically they'll all choose a group to be in first, but in the end the seeds all get to move em around, with 1st seed getting the last move etc. Many opportunities to screw stuff up.
yeah like what Bisu did last MSL. Made the group of death: Flash, FBH, JD, Hwasin.
On June 04 2009 19:26 konadora wrote: Skyhigh chooses Zero
Skyhigh: "I just didn't want to face anyone from my team." MSL: "You've been called the 'Little berserker'. Who's the stronger berserker?" Skyhigh: "For now, it's Iris."
Effort: "I originally wanted to play against Bisu, but Hiya stole the seat from me. I didn't want to face anyone from my team either." MSL: "You can tell Bisu in his face that you want to fight against him." Effort: "Well.. nah" Effort: "I choose a Protoss because I lost many games to Bisu and I wanted to take revenge (against Protoss I guess? lol)"
Movie: "I just didn't want to play against anyone from my team. I just wanted to face a Terran." MSL: "Are you confident against Flash?" Movie: "Well, so-so."
all i'm seeing is a page with some stuff in the middle, and the players below it. but no video
Open it on IE, + install UUSEE, click the UUSEE button.
ppstream is better
i'm using UUSEE...
you have to install it first. i'm not sure where did i download it, i think it's in the same site... one of the old tourney threads has a link on where to download the UUSEE and PPS.
PPStream is definitely not better. It's been getting crappier and crappier these days. I used to use PPS, switched to UUSEE since PPS kept lagging, and it was a great decision.
Commentator: Netizen are saying Oov is helping you too much. How much has he helped you? Fantasy: Ive got 2 builds and mind games/tricks. But he has helped a lot.
HAHAHHAHAA in the opening video a scene showed Jaedong saying "i want to go out w/ Leta"
Jaedong: WTF? I just want to get to know him. MSL: why do you want to get to know him? Jaedong: no reason in particular MSL: you dont need a reason to love someone.
On June 04 2009 20:25 XYoonZ wrote: Horang: I went balls out to put my name next to Jaedong and expected him to move me away. But now that Jaedong is okay w/ it, I'm a bit scared.
Jaedong has given up his pick.
this is really funny!!! horang2 is so cute for being so funny hehe
FBH: I dont think i can win w/ 1 fact CC.....(mind games) FBH: I want to face go.go. I told him how to win the ceremony prize but he didn't take my advice (advice was to come in crawling)
On June 04 2009 20:29 XYoonZ wrote: FBH switches w/ Bisu
Bisu vs Kwanro, FBH vs Hiya
FBH: I dont think i can win w/ 1 fact CC.....(mind games) FBH: I want to face go.go. I told him how to win the ceremony prize but he didn't take my advice (advice was to come in crawling)
On June 04 2009 20:30 snapcrackle wrote: can we get chat enabled in pholons channel?
I could enable it but I'm told it could cause lag (even more than it is now). If you need to talk to me I'm on IRC and I'm also reading through the LR thread. If you have a good reason I'll turn it on.
On June 04 2009 20:30 snapcrackle wrote: can we get chat enabled in pholons channel?
I could enable it but I'm told it could cause lag (even more than it is now). If you need to talk to me I'm on IRC and I'm also reading through the LR thread. If you have a good reason I'll turn it on.
oh its ok then.. just wanted to discuss whats going on while watching the stream
Commentator: "Savior vs Horang2 is big. It's like Savior vs Nal_rA."
Horang2: "I think Savior is strong in ZvP. *says more stuff*"
Horang2: "I would prefer to play against Jaedong. Savior's playstyle is bad for my style. Jaedong is aggressive, and so am I. So it'll be easier for me. I think everyone plays well."
Actually tbh i prefer savior get pushed around in group selections. Whether it be Bisu or FBH. That group is mega stacked, and i want all of them to advance .
On June 04 2009 21:18 Hyperionnn wrote: I hope that savior does not advance from his group and lose next survivor so he can go to offline prelims and die forever.
Hehe yeah, stepping back to have another look that group is uber stacked atm, pretty much the top 4 favourites atm, with flash debatably interchangeble with effort.
On June 04 2009 21:20 Camlito wrote: I don't remember anyone wanting bisu to die when he made his group -_-.
You have a pretty selective memory, iirc half the thread wanted him to die. In fact some variation of 'i hope bisu goes and dies' was probably used a few times :D
Hiya: "I personally don't like ForGG.. not the person himself, but playing against him. He says he won me everytime, but that was a long time ago. Last week, I sent him to oblivion. I don't know why Leta sent me away... I wanted to play against go.go. *missed a few stuff* If I play against high-profile players, I'll get more attention, but then I might lose so... Sea plays TvT well, and that's all he can do."
go.go: "He plays well, but he's one bad fish. I want to get seeded and play against him next time."
Hiya: "I personally don't like ForGG.. not the person himself, but playing against him. He says he won me everytime, but that was a long time ago. Last week, I sent him to oblivion. I don't know why Leta sent me away... I wanted to play against go.go. *missed a few stuff* If I play against high-profile players, I'll get more attention, but then I might lose so... Sea plays TvT well, and that's all he can do."
go.go: "He plays well, but he's one bad fish. I want to get seeded and play against him next time."
@fbh: "Stork blames people for losing games, does he?"
FBH: "You have seen it for yourself, haven't you?"
Nal_rA: "We once played random and he lost. He blamed a lot on others."
Stork: "Well.. yeah but it's not really blaming others but it's the fact. Somebody farted beside me, and it was too smelly. I couldn't concentrate on the game..."
Nal_rA: "He said halfway during the game that he couldn't concentrate. Wasn't Jangbi sitting beside you?"
@fbh: "Stork blames people for losing games, does he?"
FBH: "You have seen it for yourself, haven't you?"
Nal_rA: "We once played random and he lost. He blamed a lot on others."
Stork: "Well.. yeah but it's not really blaming others but it's the fact. Somebody farted beside me, and it was too smelly. I couldn't concentrate on the game..."
Nal_rA: "He said halfway during the game that he couldn't concentrate. Wasn't Jangbi sitting beside you?"
@fbh: "Stork blames people for losing games, does he?"
FBH: "You have seen it for yourself, haven't you?"
Nal_rA: "We once played random and he lost. He blamed a lot on others."
Stork: "Well.. yeah but it's not really blaming others but it's the fact. Somebody farted beside me, and it was too smelly. I couldn't concentrate on the game..."
Nal_rA: "He said halfway during the game that he couldn't concentrate. Wasn't Jangbi sitting beside you?"
HAHA ! ! ! That's the game from the replysection where Stork is Z and Nal_rA is T. And somebody farted really hard LOL
@fbh: "Stork blames people for losing games, does he?"
FBH: "You have seen it for yourself, haven't you?"
Nal_rA: "We once played random and he lost. He blamed a lot on others."
Stork: "Well.. yeah but it's not really blaming others but it's the fact. Somebody farted beside me, and it was too smelly. I couldn't concentrate on the game..."
Nal_rA: "He said halfway during the game that he couldn't concentrate. Wasn't Jangbi sitting beside you?"
On June 04 2009 21:18 Hyperionnn wrote: I hope that savior does not advance from his group and lose next survivor so he can go to offline prelims and die forever.
On June 04 2009 21:19 ssystem wrote: I hope Jangbi gives Bisu back to savior and gives him Jaedong too for good measure
@fbh: "Stork blames people for losing games, does he?"
FBH: "You have seen it for yourself, haven't you?"
Nal_rA: "We once played random and he lost. He blamed a lot on others."
Stork: "Well.. yeah but it's not really blaming others but it's the fact. Somebody farted beside me, and it was too smelly. I couldn't concentrate on the game..."
Nal_rA: "He said halfway during the game that he couldn't concentrate. Wasn't Jangbi sitting beside you?"
@fbh: "Stork blames people for losing games, does he?"
FBH: "You have seen it for yourself, haven't you?"
Nal_rA: "We once played random and he lost. He blamed a lot on others."
Stork: "Well.. yeah but it's not really blaming others but it's the fact. Somebody farted beside me, and it was too smelly. I couldn't concentrate on the game..."
Nal_rA: "He said halfway during the game that he couldn't concentrate. Wasn't Jangbi sitting beside you?"
@fbh: "Stork blames people for losing games, does he?"
FBH: "You have seen it for yourself, haven't you?"
Nal_rA: "We once played random and he lost. He blamed a lot on others."
Stork: "Well.. yeah but it's not really blaming others but it's the fact. Somebody farted beside me, and it was too smelly. I couldn't concentrate on the game..."
Nal_rA: "He said halfway during the game that he couldn't concentrate. Wasn't Jangbi sitting beside you?"
On June 04 2009 21:18 Hyperionnn wrote: I hope that savior does not advance from his group and lose next survivor so he can go to offline prelims and die forever.
HIYA: "I think I won't use this headphone a lot.. this is worth 30,000 won? Quality must be better right..? I guess I'll use this well in the training house. In the next MSL, I'll be seeded as a higher ranked player, and entertain more."
On June 04 2009 21:50 konadora wrote: Free: "He keeps saying he wants to drag in all the 6 dragons to try to snipe Bisu.. I said no but he brought me there..."
free: "I think I didn't play seriously up til now.. but I will play hard now, and make sure next time I get far ahead so that I'll be able to adjust the groups as I please."
Hiya: "I just don't want to face Jaedong, Bisu or Flash... I think I'll like Pure more. And I request that go.go be swapped. He's a good guy, please save him."
On June 04 2009 22:11 Musoeun wrote: Don't get me wrong, I'm not even a fan of the guy, I just think it's terrible luck for him to get stuck there.
Well hes 2 2 vs jaedong so maybe if he wins against jaedong (actually got a semi decent chance of happening) and cheeses a terran he could make it out.
On June 04 2009 22:12 alffla wrote: jaedong and saviors gruop look so danggerous for them : (
How come? Savior should be able to beat go.go and Canata. And Jaedong will beat Leta easily, Movie shouldnt be too big of a problem and fantasy.
Leta and fantasy are really good players... saying that one will be easy and another one not to big of a problem isnt really the smartest thing seing as they both got great tvz.
On June 04 2009 22:12 alffla wrote: jaedong and saviors gruop look so danggerous for them : (
How come? Savior should be able to beat go.go and Canata. And Jaedong will beat Leta easily, Movie shouldnt be too big of a problem and fantasy.
Leta and fantasy are really good players... saying that one will be easy and another one not to big of a problem isnt really the smartest thing seing as they both got great tvz.
Jaedong is 3-0 against Leta. Not even maps helped him beat Jaedong.
And I didn't say anything about fantasy, because it isnt a must-win match. Both could win.
On June 04 2009 22:12 alffla wrote: jaedong and saviors gruop look so danggerous for them : (
How come? Savior should be able to beat go.go and Canata. And Jaedong will beat Leta easily, Movie shouldnt be too big of a problem and fantasy.
Leta and fantasy are really good players... saying that one will be easy and another one not to big of a problem isnt really the smartest thing seing as they both got great tvz.
Jaedong is 3-0 against Leta. Not even maps helped him beat Jaedong.
And I didn't say anything about fantasy, because it isnt a must-win match. Both could win.
they were all Proleague mathces though, two of which were ace matches. who knows how well leta will be in individual matches with lots of preparation o _O
Haha Savior put all of the dragons in one group :D :D :D. Savior you kick ass .
OMGOMGOMG Upmagic and Horang2 are in the same group? I predict a game with double all-in cheese . And to make that even better, Nada is in that group too .
I think I'm going to gouge my eyes out with that PPPP group though... At least it isn't a TTTT group with one of the Ts being Canata. That group would last like 5 hours >_<.
On June 04 2009 22:59 Aurioch wrote: Ohh man, Leta Fantasy Jaedong and Movie is such a dangerous group. Remember that Jaedong has lost to Movie before :o
Lol looks like they ganged up on Jaedong quite a bit. I guess the Zergs wanted him knocked out as soon as possible.
On June 04 2009 22:59 Aurioch wrote: Ohh man, Leta Fantasy Jaedong and Movie is such a dangerous group. Remember that Jaedong has lost to Movie before :o
Lol looks like they ganged up on Jaedong quite a bit. I guess the Zergs wanted him knocked out as soon as possible.
He was in the same group as Savior once.. now Savior has a chance!
On June 04 2009 19:15 konadora wrote: Oh it's go.go
4th msl, kespa something
naughty boy terran lol
he chooses... forGG
ANOTHER TVT
go.go: "I didn't originally have a ceremony prepared. There was somebody I had in mind, but he was already taken, so I chose forGG because I think he'll be easy. I originally wanted to play against Nada. It's because if I face Nada, I'll be able to advance into the Round of 8 faster."
Ok now I hate go.go
Go.go you are progamer joke who has never won anything in your entire forgettable career. Have some respect.
Yall are crazy. I think savior looks much better with a short hairstyle. I think he could have a better cut, but he definitely looks better with shorter hair.
On June 04 2009 23:46 Bosu wrote: Yall are crazy. I think savior looks much better with a short hairstyle. I think he could have a better cut, but he definitely looks better with shorter hair.
On June 04 2009 19:15 konadora wrote: Oh it's go.go
4th msl, kespa something
naughty boy terran lol
he chooses... forGG
ANOTHER TVT
go.go: "I didn't originally have a ceremony prepared. There was somebody I had in mind, but he was already taken, so I chose forGG because I think he'll be easy. I originally wanted to play against Nada. It's because if I face Nada, I'll be able to advance into the Round of 8 faster."
Ok now I hate go.go
Go.go you are progamer joke who has never won anything in your entire forgettable career. Have some respect.
He's never going to win a title so all he can do to be memorable is live up to his nickname. Try to be more understanding
On June 05 2009 00:05 Scaramanga wrote: KTF couldnt have hoped for better groups, i expect all ktf to advance HEEEEEELL YEAH
Wait people are tipping kwanro instead of shine and hiya instead of luxury, wut?
Ha sry but I really dont like shines chances, Kwanros just too gosu =) and I also dont like ForGGs chances at all, his TvP sucks, and FBH has some really good TvT Also much is playing great atm (at least in PvZ) And if Lux is gonna advance just depends on if he still cares after he's already got 1 msl title ^^ Effort is one of few people who have a good chance even when hes not slumping. Theoretically he should be fav. over Hiya and Hwasin imo though. (Meaning if he doesnt play like crap like he usually does now)
btw is there anybody in the whole wide world who believes that free or kal has a chance ?
On June 04 2009 19:15 konadora wrote: Oh it's go.go
4th msl, kespa something
naughty boy terran lol
he chooses... forGG
ANOTHER TVT
go.go: "I didn't originally have a ceremony prepared. There was somebody I had in mind, but he was already taken, so I chose forGG because I think he'll be easy. I originally wanted to play against Nada. It's because if I face Nada, I'll be able to advance into the Round of 8 faster."
Ok now I hate go.go
Go.go you are progamer joke who has never won anything in your entire forgettable career. Have some respect.
omg! Now I finally have a real reason to hate that guy with a passion, other than he's ugly as hell Too bad Nada isnt in his group, he wouldnt only get crushed by his completely superior gameplay but also just by the weight of his fu**ing medals
On June 05 2009 01:58 FearDarkness wrote: Effort, Stork, Skyhigh and Flash have easy groups
Flash? Okay, should be easy. But Canata, go.go, and even sAviOr are all still a bit dangerous, Canata seems to be totally in shape right now especially.
sKyHigh has to deal with Calm and the unpredictable Zero. Sea shouldn't be a threat but he is good when on form. Not easy.
Effort? Sucks to be Effort. He is the class of the group right now, but Luxury's ZvZ is nothing to sneeze at, Hwasin's TvZ is legendary, and HiyA's mech style is quite effective too. Group A is stacked.
My summary:
Group A: Stacked, as noted above. Group B: OMGWTFBBQDRAGONFEST STACKED. Except that Kal and free kind of aren't as good at PvP as the other two. Group C: Stork vs young stars, with Shine along for the ride. Two Terrans says Stork goes through. Kwanro... could be even more of a problem than last time, although possibly Stork has learned how to play on Carthage. Group D: Sea vs young stars - will he actually go through for once? (Smart money says no, between Calm and skyhigh's vT, with Zero for kicks and giggles.) Group E: Tornado, Berserker, Magic - and the Tiger, whose hope here is beating Iris and UpMagic. Group F: The group of death if you can only pick one. Jaedong, Leta, fantasy, and Movie. Basically, any group that runs about an even 50% chance or worse of Jaedong not advancing is ridiculous. Group G: This group fails to interest me. Flash either failteenCCs into destruction or goes through playing with only one hand, and the other place is a crapshoot. Group H: Somehow Much is the favorite here.
On June 05 2009 01:58 FearDarkness wrote: Effort, Stork, Skyhigh and Flash have easy groups
Effort? Sucks to be Effort. He is the class of the group right now, but Luxury's ZvZ is nothing to sneeze at, Hwasin's TvZ is legendary, and HiyA's mech style is quite effective too. Group A is stacked. .
I wonder if people here even watch recent games.
Have you seen Luxury play lately? It's ugly... he forgot how to do ANY matchup especially ZvZ. He's been really terrible lately.
On June 05 2009 01:58 FearDarkness wrote: Effort, Stork, Skyhigh and Flash have easy groups
Effort? Sucks to be Effort. He is the class of the group right now, but Luxury's ZvZ is nothing to sneeze at, Hwasin's TvZ is legendary, and HiyA's mech style is quite effective too. Group A is stacked. .
I wonder if people here even watch recent games.
Have you seen Luxury play lately? It's ugly... he forgot how to do ANY matchup especially ZvZ. He's been really terrible lately.
Yes, I have. He sucked for all of Round 4, I admit. The OSL loss was bad - but he clearly wasn't prepared to deal with go.go's fantasy+turtle style builds. But go watch Violet vs Luxury - that wasn't Luxury playing bad, that was Violet beating out a Luxury playing maybe not at the top of his game, but very well. Luxury vs Saint? Okay, so Saint's ZvZ isn't good, but Luxury absolutely trashed him. As usual, I think we'll see the good Luxury show up now that starleague season is back in force.
On June 05 2009 03:06 soudo wrote: CJ Entus has 7 of its players in 8 of the possible groups.
CJ fans, get ready to see your team CRUMBLE in the Proleague.
This is CJ. Effort sAviOr Kwanro Devil skyhigh Iris Move Much jjonga nbs With the team all split up like this, they can just go, "Hmm, who's practicing for MSL and who can play this week?" What's going to be more problematic is the few who qualified for the OSL as well...
Someone should make a poll about this Like what's the 2nd most dificult group (the first is pretty obvious), or which group sounds like the most intresting one
Jaedong's group is sick, it's built for the sole purpose of sniping Jaedong. The only thing it's lacking is (T)sKyHigh unfortunately
This is Luxury's doing. He built up a pretty good group for himself while simultaneously making sure that Jaedong had as rough a time as possible. Now all he has to do is actually play like someone who won the MSL last season.
I have to ask: was Jangbi high when he made his group? He actually used one of his transfers to ensure that he played Bisu. Let the full weight of this sink in: JangBi choose to play Bisu over Effort!
I get his intention in making an all-Protoss group. His PvP is pretty strong. But come on, man; choosing to play Bisu, especially when you have a record of being routinely crushed by him, is just crazy.
Jaedong's group is sick, it's built for the sole purpose of sniping Jaedong. The only thing it's lacking is (T)sKyHigh unfortunately
This is Luxury's doing. He built up a pretty good group for himself while simultaneously making sure that Jaedong had as rough a time as possible. Now all he has to do is actually play like someone who won the MSL last season.
I have to ask: was Jangbi high when he made his group? He actually used one of his transfers to ensure that he played Bisu. Let the full weight of this sink in: JangBi choose to play Bisu over Effort!
I get his intention in making an all-Protoss group. His PvP is pretty strong. But come on, man; choosing to play Bisu, especially when you have a record of being routinely crushed by him, is just crazy.
Luxury's doing? No, he got Flash out of the group because he is his teammate and got rid of the two protoss in his group. The group was already this hard.
Group A: Luxury, Hwasin, HiyA, EffOrt Not that easy to say, but Lux has been playing like a freaking cow. Hwasin is slumping..again. Hiya has been playing well for Hwaseung and Effort is posting solid results. I expect these two to make it through
Group B: JangBi,Bisu, free, Kal JangBi's play after the LostSaga MSL was goddamn awfull. He went like..what..2-7? Jesus. You do NOT expect that from the MSL runner up. Bisu is a lock in into the MSL ro16, and Kal sucks PvP. So im going to have to say that free will also get into the MSL ro16. His PvP isn't his best matchup, but PvP relies on heavy goon + reaver micro, something free excells at. Re-watching the Clubday MSL's, if free had faced Jangbi, i have no doubt free would have beated him.
Group C: Stork, Shine, PianO, Kwanro Stork has 2 terrans, and i hope to good god he can beat Kwanro. ( i mean...his PvZ has gotten a bit better...) Shine and PianO are still both somewhat young, and i think the savy veterens will take them to school.
Group D: ZerO, sKyHigh, Sea, Calm What a godawful group. SkyHigh is a lock in with the way he's been playing, and ZerO i guess would take the second spot. Calm has been looking wayyy too mortal lately losing to Hoejja in GOM... And Sea is busy playing SF..
Group E: NaDa, Iris, Horang2, UpMaGiC With the way NaDa played last MSL, i have no doubt that he will make it out of his group. Berseker has also been playing some spectacular starcraft as of late. UpMaGiC and Horang2 both rely on their creativity to win games, but both Iris and NaDa have been on the scene longer than the two combined, so i think their "sense of star" will protect them from any cheese the latter 2 throw at them.
Group F: Leta, fantasy, Jaedong, Movie Wow fuck me. Group of Death rofl sup? Leta's TvZ is spectacularrr.. Unfortunatly..that does not extend to JD. The only Terran who seems to be able to match JD in a straight up game is Fantasy. JD is a lock in, and I think Fantasy's air-tight TvP and TvT will help propell him into the MSL ro16
Group G: sAviOr, Canata, Flash, go.go 3 T's WHATT? Canata's been playing well lately. His TvT has always been his best MU, so no problems there. And Flash...is Flash. Always a suprise.
Group H: fOrGG, Much, firebathero, Pure Godawful. When Much is the favorite to get out of a group you know how bad the group sucks. Both fOrGG and FBH suck suck suck vs P, and Pure is pretty damn good. I expect Pure and Much to get out of this group
Too early to really make predictions. Next week of proleague should answer some of the questions.
It seems like Jangbi and Stork are getting out of slump. Luxury also played better last couple of games. Will he recover from his slump or not, who knows. Much is also looking better lately.
On the other hand we have huge question marks: Nada? Savior? What's up with Free who is 3-7 in last 10? Can Zero show again his play that brought him to spot 3 last PR?
On June 05 2009 07:16 DreaM)XeRO wrote: Group A: Luxury, Hwasin, HiyA, EffOrt Not that easy to say, but Lux has been playing like a freaking cow. Hwasin is slumping..again. Hiya has been playing well for Hwaseung and Effort is posting solid results. I expect these two to make it through
Group B: JangBi,Bisu, free, Kal JangBi's play after the LostSaga MSL was goddamn awfull. He went like..what..2-7? Jesus. You do NOT expect that from the MSL runner up. Bisu is a lock in into the MSL ro16, and Kal sucks PvP. So im going to have to say that free will also get into the MSL ro16. His PvP isn't his best matchup, but PvP relies on heavy goon + reaver micro, something free excells at. Re-watching the Clubday MSL's, if free had faced Jangbi, i have no doubt free would have beated him.
Group C: Stork, Shine, PianO, Kwanro Stork has 2 terrans, and i hope to good god he can beat Kwanro. ( i mean...his PvZ has gotten a bit better...) Shine and PianO are still both somewhat young, and i think the savy veterens will take them to school.
Group D: ZerO, sKyHigh, Sea, Calm What a godawful group. SkyHigh is a lock in with the way he's been playing, and ZerO i guess would take the second spot. Calm has been looking wayyy too mortal lately losing to Hoejja in GOM... And Sea is busy playing SF..
Group E: NaDa, Iris, Horang2, UpMaGiC With the way NaDa played last MSL, i have no doubt that he will make it out of his group. Berseker has also been playing some spectacular starcraft as of late. UpMaGiC and Horang2 both rely on their creativity to win games, but both Iris and NaDa have been on the scene longer than the two combined, so i think their "sense of star" will protect them from any cheese the latter 2 throw at them.
Group F: Leta, fantasy, Jaedong, Movie Wow fuck me. Group of Death rofl sup? Leta's TvZ is spectacularrr.. Unfortunatly..that does not extend to JD. The only Terran who seems to be able to match JD in a straight up game is Fantasy. JD is a lock in, and I think Fantasy's air-tight TvP and TvT will help propell him into the MSL ro16
Group G: sAviOr, Canata, Flash, go.go 3 T's WHATT? Canata's been playing well lately. His TvT has always been his best MU, so no problems there. And Flash...is Flash. Always a suprise.
Group H: fOrGG, Much, firebathero, Pure Godawful. When Much is the favorite to get out of a group you know how bad the group sucks. Both fOrGG and FBH suck suck suck vs P, and Pure is pretty damn good. I expect Pure and Much to get out of this group
Reasonable predictions and well thought out, Id just comment that Jaedong should make it out, but not to overlook By.Movie, who is a great PvZer, and seems to have jaedong's number. Movie's PvT isnt to great so hed probably have to do something creative to beat the terran winner, or possibly jaedong again. And Fantasy the only terran to match straight up game? Id say that title would go to Flash or Sea. Fantasy had some interesting builds to almost bagel jd, but well we know what happened in the end.
For group G, Id say savior has a good shot at 2nd seed, because both gogo and canata have soso tvz MnM, and seem to go mech with a deceint frequency which savior seems to do well against.
For me Groups D and The Dragoon Group seem the most volatile, never know how Sea and Zero will play, and the same for Kal, Jangbi, and Free.
On June 05 2009 01:58 FearDarkness wrote: Effort, Stork, Skyhigh and Flash have easy groups
Effort? Sucks to be Effort. He is the class of the group right now, but Luxury's ZvZ is nothing to sneeze at, Hwasin's TvZ is legendary, and HiyA's mech style is quite effective too. Group A is stacked. .
I wonder if people here even watch recent games.
Have you seen Luxury play lately? It's ugly... he forgot how to do ANY matchup especially ZvZ. He's been really terrible lately.
Yes, I have. He sucked for all of Round 4, I admit. The OSL loss was bad - but he clearly wasn't prepared to deal with go.go's fantasy+turtle style builds. But go watch Violet vs Luxury - that wasn't Luxury playing bad, that was Violet beating out a Luxury playing maybe not at the top of his game, but very well. Luxury vs Saint? Okay, so Saint's ZvZ isn't good, but Luxury absolutely trashed him. As usual, I think we'll see the good Luxury show up now that starleague season is back in force.
Okay, even in the Saint game. Lux still lost that first muta micro bad even though he had 2 hatcheries of production units to Saint's 1. End of story, Lux sucks big time right now. Saying he'll show good ZvZ is wishful thinking right now.
Mine - A: Luxury, Hwasin, HiyA, EffOrt EffOrt has been excellent of late, look for him, not only to advance but contend for the title. Final four is a possibility for him. As for the rest; Hwasin has excellent TvZ, and with Luxury playing the way he's been playing (I've seen evidence of improvement, but I'm not sold yet), I gotta give the always-solid Hwasin the advantage here. HiYa is a non-factor.
B: JangBi, Bisu, free[gm], Kal The dragon group has two real, fire-breathing monsters and two whelps. Bisu advances, and so will JangBi. free has not looked like his old self of late, and Kal has been strong but inconsistent, and simply falls short here. Tough group.
C: Stork, Shine, PianO, Kwanro Stork should take this easy group with ease. The next spot figures to go to Kwanro, although PianO's weak-spot is protoss, (which nobody here should win anyway) and his results against Z and T have been solid enough to give him an outside chance.
D: ZerO, sKyHigh, Sea, Calm This is a tough group to call, and a bit disappointing in terms of star-quality. sKyHigh should have no trouble advancing. Sea has quite a pedigree in this match-up lifetime, but he hasn't really beaten a legitimate zerg threat in some time. That leaves me doubting how long he'll stick around in this group, although I wouldn't rule out an upset. That leaves a ZvZ to decide it, and with both players sporting 50% win-rates, and neither player being named "Jaedong", I have no idea who will win the second spot. We'll say ZerO.
E: NaDa, Iris, Horang2, UpMaGiC This is probably the toughest group to call, I could see all four of these players getting in. I'm going to go with Iris and UpMaGiC, because I don't trust Horang2's inexperience, especially against the experience and creativity of this group. And I just don't trust NaDa to be quite as good as the other two here.
F: Leta, fantasy, Jaedong, Movie This is bad news for Leta, because he is going to be the odd man out of the group of death. Leta is the game's most consistent litmus test, he never loses to players worse than him, and always loses to those who are better. Jaedong is pretty much 2portwraith-proof, and recently wrecked Leta in proleague action. Leta's best chance is to beat fantasy, but in a starleague, I'm going for fantasy's preparation and TvT skill. Oh, and if Movie advances from this group, I'll eat my computer.
G: sAviOr, Canata, Flash, go.go The thought of anyone in this group not named "Flash" advancing makes me angry, especially when Leta or fantasy, Kal or free or JangBi, all are on the chopping block. But what can you do? I gotta like Canata on pure skill, I could see sAviOr, but not really, and go.go advances over my dead body. I see Canata grabbing this gift spot in the next round.
H: fOrGG, Much, firebathero, Pure Another clunker of a group, with two slumping Terran, and two Protoss who are both playing well. Give me the toss.
On June 05 2009 08:02 tree.hugger wrote: Mine - A: Luxury, Hwasin, HiyA, EffOrt EffOrt has been excellent of late, look for him, not only to advance but contend for the title. Final four is a possibility for him. As for the rest; Hwasin has excellent TvZ, and with Luxury playing the way he's been playing (I've seen evidence of improvement, but I'm not sold yet), I gotta give the always-solid Hwasin the advantage here. HiYa is a non-factor.
B: JangBi, Bisu, free[gm], Kal The dragon group has two real, fire-breathing monsters and two whelps. Bisu advances, and so will JangBi. free has not looked like his old self of late, and Kal has been strong but inconsistent, and simply falls short here. Tough group.
C: Stork, Shine, PianO, Kwanro Stork should take this easy group with ease. The next spot figures to go to Kwanro, although PianO's weak-spot is protoss, (which nobody here should win anyway) and his results against Z and T have been solid enough to give him an outside chance.
D: ZerO, sKyHigh, Sea, Calm This is a tough group to call, and a bit disappointing in terms of star-quality. sKyHigh should have no trouble advancing. Sea has quite a pedigree in this match-up lifetime, but he hasn't really beaten a legitimate zerg threat in some time. That leaves me doubting how long he'll stick around in this group, although I wouldn't rule out an upset. That leaves a ZvZ to decide it, and with both players sporting 50% win-rates, and neither player being named "Jaedong", I have no idea who will win the second spot. We'll say ZerO.
E: NaDa, Iris, Horang2, UpMaGiC This is probably the toughest group to call, I could see all four of these players getting in. I'm going to go with Iris and UpMaGiC, because I don't trust Horang2's inexperience, especially against the experience and creativity of this group. And I just don't trust NaDa to be quite as good as the other two here.
F: Leta, fantasy, Jaedong, Movie This is bad news for Leta, because he is going to be the odd man out of the group of death. Leta is the game's most consistent litmus test, he never loses to players worse than him, and always loses to those who are better. Jaedong is pretty much 2portwraith-proof, and recently wrecked Leta in proleague action. Leta's best chance is to beat fantasy, but in a starleague, I'm going for fantasy's preparation and TvT skill. Oh, and if Movie advances from this group, I'll eat my computer.
G: sAviOr, Canata, Flash, go.go The thought of anyone in this group not named "Flash" advancing makes me angry, especially when Leta or fantasy, Kal or free or JangBi, all are on the chopping block. But what can you do? I gotta like Canata on pure skill, I could see sAviOr, but not really, and go.go advances over my dead body. I see Canata grabbing this gift spot in the next round.
H: fOrGG, Much, firebathero, Pure Another clunker of a group, with two slumping Terran, and two Protoss who are both playing well. Give me the toss.
Group H it seems someone forgot what happened to Much at ClubDay MSL.
Hoping that Stork wins it all, even though I know he will only disappoint me again. He does this every season, it's like domestic violence. He hurts me, and then says he'll change and get better, actually stay in form this time. Like a fool, I believe him and go back to him. The neighbors, they see the embarassing losses and ask me if I need help. "No," I say, "it's nothing... I just ran into a slump..." but they see my tears and they know. They know,
On June 05 2009 10:23 NO MY LIQUIBET wrote: Hoping that Stork wins it all, even though I know he will only disappoint me again. He does this every season, it's like domestic violence. He hurts me, and then says he'll change and get better, actually stay in form this time. Like a fool, I believe him and go back to him. The neighbors, they see the embarassing losses and ask me if I need help. "No," I say, "it's nothing... I just ran into a slump..." but they see my tears and they know. They know,
Stork is on a 6 game winning streak, winning 7 of his last 10 versus Z. His bad PvZ is a thing of the past, he will crush that group with ease. Last MSL/OSL he ran into Jaedong (won the first, failed cheese and then a game on Tears) and Jangbi (voodoo) after getting far in both. He's going to be a force come the quarters/semis of the starleagues as usual and I'd be surprised if he doesn't have at least one finals appearance, another gold for Storky .
Stork seems to have a pattern of doing good in the individual leagues and not as good in the proleague for the last few seasons. Though this season it seems that he's getting on track for both.
It's been a long time since every group looks decent to me. There's usually a few groups that are boring but I think this time they all look interesting.
On June 05 2009 14:37 GogoKodo wrote: It's been a long time since every group looks decent to me. There's usually a few groups that are boring but I think this time they all look interesting.
Lol if only they didn't change the All-Terran group
Duuuuuuuuuuude you guys are all overlooking that we have FUCKING sAviOr in the MSL. sAviOr the mother-fucking 5-time MSL finalist. This is his home fucktown. He's going to fuck Avalon right up the ass
On June 05 2009 15:22 MoRe_mInErAls wrote: Duuuuuuuuuuude you guys are all overlooking that we have FUCKING sAviOr in the MSL. sAviOr the mother-fucking 5-time MSL finalist. This is his home fucktown. He's going to fuck Avalon right up the ass
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