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YES BIG JD GG.... Letting the beast out mofo.
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OMG JAEDONG FIGHTING!!!!
Epic comeback, OMG i was so hyped for this.
Fantasys strategies are deadly man wow.
Map imbalances was no issue, fantasy and jaedong said it themselves + record back it up. ZvP tears of the moon ok but jaedong would have won anyway coz he's so good.
Also sometimes you have to 2hatch muta vs certain mechopenings, it has nothing to do with "wanting or daring" to go to lategame. You need more understanding of the game if you make such claims.
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konadora
Singapore66358 Posts
On April 04 2009 21:19 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2009 21:10 disciple wrote:On April 04 2009 21:00 StRyKeR wrote:
lol @ disciple
OSL produces a set of maps that are BARELY zerg favored over terran (ignoring Chupung for the hell of it) and terran players cry foul.
I guess once you're used to having maps handed to you on a silver platter, anything less is a disappointment. my problem is not the zvt, its rather the zvp. This was the most in-your-face pool ever for the toss so far. After all JD got to play his zvt games in the finals and you cant say he abused it someway. Yes, maybe it was about time for zerg to have decent maps for all MUs, but if you look it on larger scale, I think you will see that JD had easy time winning this OSL, it was more or less like bisu's last MSL where got the title for trashing every toss alive and beating fbh like a dead horse. I want to finally have a tournament where no race is in disadvantage from the very beginning, thats all. Well you go and create a perfectly balanced Z=T T=P P=Z mappool then pretty much impossible especially when %win stats might also be "lying" if coincidentally the players of race X just were better than the players of race Y mappool super balanced or not, I find it hard to argue that Jaedong deserved this win more than anybody else right now. Show nested quote +On April 04 2009 21:09 3nickma wrote:This is so great JD!  Thought you were fucked after the first two silly games but Goddamn what an epic comeback! <3 And mad props to wonkman for his perfect stream YES thank you wonkman I love you, wouldnt have been able to watch the finals live without you
Probably the 'most balanced' map was Nostalgia...
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United States33522 Posts
On April 04 2009 21:09 Smix wrote:
Just finished reading the fomos article -- apparently JD has been saying up until now in interviews that his ideal girl is leeyeonhee... so I'm guessing she heard, and sent him the message. Apparently JD showed the message on his phone as proof - so she texted him?
Either way, wow. JD is a true baller.
Hwaseung manager's wife is a celeb, she got LYH to send Jaedong the message because they knew he had always liked her. And it was a VIDEO message too, apparently? And yes, Savior is owned
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On April 04 2009 21:21 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2009 21:09 Smix wrote:
Just finished reading the fomos article -- apparently JD has been saying up until now in interviews that his ideal girl is leeyeonhee... so I'm guessing she heard, and sent him the message. Apparently JD showed the message on his phone as proof - so she texted him?
Either way, wow. JD is a true baller. Hwaseung manager's wife is a celeb, she got LYH to send Jaedong the message because they knew he had always liked her. And it was a VIDEO message too, apparently? And yes, Savior is owned
true or just your thoughts?
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
On April 04 2009 21:20 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2009 21:19 7mk wrote:On April 04 2009 21:10 disciple wrote:On April 04 2009 21:00 StRyKeR wrote:
lol @ disciple
OSL produces a set of maps that are BARELY zerg favored over terran (ignoring Chupung for the hell of it) and terran players cry foul.
I guess once you're used to having maps handed to you on a silver platter, anything less is a disappointment. my problem is not the zvt, its rather the zvp. This was the most in-your-face pool ever for the toss so far. After all JD got to play his zvt games in the finals and you cant say he abused it someway. Yes, maybe it was about time for zerg to have decent maps for all MUs, but if you look it on larger scale, I think you will see that JD had easy time winning this OSL, it was more or less like bisu's last MSL where got the title for trashing every toss alive and beating fbh like a dead horse. I want to finally have a tournament where no race is in disadvantage from the very beginning, thats all. Well you go and create a perfectly balanced Z=T T=P P=Z mappool then pretty much impossible especially when %win stats might also be "lying" if coincidentally the players of race X just were better than the players of race Y mappool super balanced or not, I find it hard to argue that Jaedong deserved this win more than anybody else right now. On April 04 2009 21:09 3nickma wrote:This is so great JD! Thought you were fucked after the first two silly games but Goddamn what an epic comeback! <3 And mad props to wonkman for his perfect stream YES thank you wonkman I love you, wouldnt have been able to watch the finals live without you Probably the 'most balanced' map was Nostalgia...
WHAT Nostalgia TvZ is broken.
It was maybe balanced for its time but if you put it out now it would be rediculous
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
On April 04 2009 21:22 snapcrackle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2009 21:21 Waxangel wrote:On April 04 2009 21:09 Smix wrote:
Just finished reading the fomos article -- apparently JD has been saying up until now in interviews that his ideal girl is leeyeonhee... so I'm guessing she heard, and sent him the message. Apparently JD showed the message on his phone as proof - so she texted him?
Either way, wow. JD is a true baller. Hwaseung manager's wife is a celeb, she got LYH to send Jaedong the message because they knew he had always liked her. And it was a VIDEO message too, apparently? And yes, Savior is owned true or just your thoughts?
Lesson to the new: Don't doubt WaxAngel
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On April 04 2009 21:20 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2009 21:19 7mk wrote:On April 04 2009 21:10 disciple wrote:On April 04 2009 21:00 StRyKeR wrote:
lol @ disciple
OSL produces a set of maps that are BARELY zerg favored over terran (ignoring Chupung for the hell of it) and terran players cry foul.
I guess once you're used to having maps handed to you on a silver platter, anything less is a disappointment. my problem is not the zvt, its rather the zvp. This was the most in-your-face pool ever for the toss so far. After all JD got to play his zvt games in the finals and you cant say he abused it someway. Yes, maybe it was about time for zerg to have decent maps for all MUs, but if you look it on larger scale, I think you will see that JD had easy time winning this OSL, it was more or less like bisu's last MSL where got the title for trashing every toss alive and beating fbh like a dead horse. I want to finally have a tournament where no race is in disadvantage from the very beginning, thats all. Well you go and create a perfectly balanced Z=T T=P P=Z mappool then pretty much impossible especially when %win stats might also be "lying" if coincidentally the players of race X just were better than the players of race Y mappool super balanced or not, I find it hard to argue that Jaedong deserved this win more than anybody else right now. On April 04 2009 21:09 3nickma wrote:This is so great JD! Thought you were fucked after the first two silly games but Goddamn what an epic comeback! <3 And mad props to wonkman for his perfect stream YES thank you wonkman I love you, wouldnt have been able to watch the finals live without you Probably the 'most balanced' map was Nostalgia...
Artosis would like a word with you.
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On April 04 2009 21:10 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2009 21:00 StRyKeR wrote:
lol @ disciple
OSL produces a set of maps that are BARELY zerg favored over terran (ignoring Chupung for the hell of it) and terran players cry foul.
I guess once you're used to having maps handed to you on a silver platter, anything less is a disappointment. my problem is not the zvt, its rather the zvp. This was the most in-your-face pool ever for the toss so far. After all JD got to play his zvt games in the finals and you cant say he abused it someway. Yes, maybe it was about time for zerg to have decent maps for all MUs, but if you look it on larger scale, I think you will see that JD had easy time winning this OSL, it was more or less like bisu's last MSL where got the title for trashing every toss alive and beating fbh like a dead horse. I want to finally have a tournament where no race is in disadvantage from the very beginning, thats all.
Clubday MSL
TvZ: 5-7
ZvP: 1-6
PvT: 20-9
23 PvP matches, compared to 12 TvT and 3 ZvZ matches.
Batoo OSL
TvZ: 16-17
ZvP: 24-20
PvT: 16-18
13 TvT matches, compared to 8 ZvZ and 5 PvP matches.
Quite clearly, Clubday MSL was obviously protoss friendly. Batoo OSL was more terran friendly, rather than zerg friendly. Just because protoss had a hard time in general, doesn't mean Jaedong had a free ride. Bisu was way more fortunate than Jaedong with his map pools.
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konadora
Singapore66358 Posts
On April 04 2009 21:23 HonestTea wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2009 21:20 konadora wrote:On April 04 2009 21:19 7mk wrote:On April 04 2009 21:10 disciple wrote:On April 04 2009 21:00 StRyKeR wrote:
lol @ disciple
OSL produces a set of maps that are BARELY zerg favored over terran (ignoring Chupung for the hell of it) and terran players cry foul.
I guess once you're used to having maps handed to you on a silver platter, anything less is a disappointment. my problem is not the zvt, its rather the zvp. This was the most in-your-face pool ever for the toss so far. After all JD got to play his zvt games in the finals and you cant say he abused it someway. Yes, maybe it was about time for zerg to have decent maps for all MUs, but if you look it on larger scale, I think you will see that JD had easy time winning this OSL, it was more or less like bisu's last MSL where got the title for trashing every toss alive and beating fbh like a dead horse. I want to finally have a tournament where no race is in disadvantage from the very beginning, thats all. Well you go and create a perfectly balanced Z=T T=P P=Z mappool then pretty much impossible especially when %win stats might also be "lying" if coincidentally the players of race X just were better than the players of race Y mappool super balanced or not, I find it hard to argue that Jaedong deserved this win more than anybody else right now. On April 04 2009 21:09 3nickma wrote:This is so great JD! Thought you were fucked after the first two silly games but Goddamn what an epic comeback! <3 And mad props to wonkman for his perfect stream YES thank you wonkman I love you, wouldnt have been able to watch the finals live without you Probably the 'most balanced' map was Nostalgia... WHAT Nostalgia TvZ is broken. It was maybe balanced for its time but if you put it out now it would be rediculous
Just going by stats only 
On April 04 2009 21:22 snapcrackle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2009 21:21 Waxangel wrote:On April 04 2009 21:09 Smix wrote:
Just finished reading the fomos article -- apparently JD has been saying up until now in interviews that his ideal girl is leeyeonhee... so I'm guessing she heard, and sent him the message. Apparently JD showed the message on his phone as proof - so she texted him?
Either way, wow. JD is a true baller. Hwaseung manager's wife is a celeb, she got LYH to send Jaedong the message because they knew he had always liked her. And it was a VIDEO message too, apparently? And yes, Savior is owned true or just your thoughts?
It's true, written in the Fomos article.
On April 04 2009 21:25 Origami wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2009 21:20 konadora wrote:On April 04 2009 21:19 7mk wrote:On April 04 2009 21:10 disciple wrote:On April 04 2009 21:00 StRyKeR wrote:
lol @ disciple
OSL produces a set of maps that are BARELY zerg favored over terran (ignoring Chupung for the hell of it) and terran players cry foul.
I guess once you're used to having maps handed to you on a silver platter, anything less is a disappointment. my problem is not the zvt, its rather the zvp. This was the most in-your-face pool ever for the toss so far. After all JD got to play his zvt games in the finals and you cant say he abused it someway. Yes, maybe it was about time for zerg to have decent maps for all MUs, but if you look it on larger scale, I think you will see that JD had easy time winning this OSL, it was more or less like bisu's last MSL where got the title for trashing every toss alive and beating fbh like a dead horse. I want to finally have a tournament where no race is in disadvantage from the very beginning, thats all. Well you go and create a perfectly balanced Z=T T=P P=Z mappool then pretty much impossible especially when %win stats might also be "lying" if coincidentally the players of race X just were better than the players of race Y mappool super balanced or not, I find it hard to argue that Jaedong deserved this win more than anybody else right now. On April 04 2009 21:09 3nickma wrote:This is so great JD! Thought you were fucked after the first two silly games but Goddamn what an epic comeback! <3 And mad props to wonkman for his perfect stream YES thank you wonkman I love you, wouldnt have been able to watch the finals live without you Probably the 'most balanced' map was Nostalgia... Artosis would like a word with you.
Maybe I should have added in 'with respect to the specific era which the map was used'.
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Anyhow, I'm out. If some people have a problem with protoss not being able to win the moment they remove the clearly protoss favoured maps, that's their problem.
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51520 Posts
Nostalgia statistically is the most balanced map but play-wise it's probably something like Tau Cross.
..... and it would be funny if a progamer gets a message from SNSD/WG.
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On April 04 2009 21:26 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2009 21:23 HonestTea wrote:On April 04 2009 21:20 konadora wrote:On April 04 2009 21:19 7mk wrote:On April 04 2009 21:10 disciple wrote:On April 04 2009 21:00 StRyKeR wrote:
lol @ disciple
OSL produces a set of maps that are BARELY zerg favored over terran (ignoring Chupung for the hell of it) and terran players cry foul.
I guess once you're used to having maps handed to you on a silver platter, anything less is a disappointment. my problem is not the zvt, its rather the zvp. This was the most in-your-face pool ever for the toss so far. After all JD got to play his zvt games in the finals and you cant say he abused it someway. Yes, maybe it was about time for zerg to have decent maps for all MUs, but if you look it on larger scale, I think you will see that JD had easy time winning this OSL, it was more or less like bisu's last MSL where got the title for trashing every toss alive and beating fbh like a dead horse. I want to finally have a tournament where no race is in disadvantage from the very beginning, thats all. Well you go and create a perfectly balanced Z=T T=P P=Z mappool then pretty much impossible especially when %win stats might also be "lying" if coincidentally the players of race X just were better than the players of race Y mappool super balanced or not, I find it hard to argue that Jaedong deserved this win more than anybody else right now. On April 04 2009 21:09 3nickma wrote:This is so great JD! Thought you were fucked after the first two silly games but Goddamn what an epic comeback! <3 And mad props to wonkman for his perfect stream YES thank you wonkman I love you, wouldnt have been able to watch the finals live without you Probably the 'most balanced' map was Nostalgia... WHAT Nostalgia TvZ is broken. It was maybe balanced for its time but if you put it out now it would be rediculous Just going by stats only Show nested quote +On April 04 2009 21:22 snapcrackle wrote:On April 04 2009 21:21 Waxangel wrote:On April 04 2009 21:09 Smix wrote:
Just finished reading the fomos article -- apparently JD has been saying up until now in interviews that his ideal girl is leeyeonhee... so I'm guessing she heard, and sent him the message. Apparently JD showed the message on his phone as proof - so she texted him?
Either way, wow. JD is a true baller. Hwaseung manager's wife is a celeb, she got LYH to send Jaedong the message because they knew he had always liked her. And it was a VIDEO message too, apparently? And yes, Savior is owned true or just your thoughts? It's true, written in the Fomos article. Show nested quote +On April 04 2009 21:25 Origami wrote:On April 04 2009 21:20 konadora wrote:On April 04 2009 21:19 7mk wrote:On April 04 2009 21:10 disciple wrote:On April 04 2009 21:00 StRyKeR wrote:
lol @ disciple
OSL produces a set of maps that are BARELY zerg favored over terran (ignoring Chupung for the hell of it) and terran players cry foul.
I guess once you're used to having maps handed to you on a silver platter, anything less is a disappointment. my problem is not the zvt, its rather the zvp. This was the most in-your-face pool ever for the toss so far. After all JD got to play his zvt games in the finals and you cant say he abused it someway. Yes, maybe it was about time for zerg to have decent maps for all MUs, but if you look it on larger scale, I think you will see that JD had easy time winning this OSL, it was more or less like bisu's last MSL where got the title for trashing every toss alive and beating fbh like a dead horse. I want to finally have a tournament where no race is in disadvantage from the very beginning, thats all. Well you go and create a perfectly balanced Z=T T=P P=Z mappool then pretty much impossible especially when %win stats might also be "lying" if coincidentally the players of race X just were better than the players of race Y mappool super balanced or not, I find it hard to argue that Jaedong deserved this win more than anybody else right now. On April 04 2009 21:09 3nickma wrote:This is so great JD! Thought you were fucked after the first two silly games but Goddamn what an epic comeback! <3 And mad props to wonkman for his perfect stream YES thank you wonkman I love you, wouldnt have been able to watch the finals live without you Probably the 'most balanced' map was Nostalgia... Artosis would like a word with you. Maybe I should have added in 'as per respect to the specific era which the map was used'.
sigh i want a video message from her ><
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konadora
Singapore66358 Posts
On April 04 2009 21:28 GTR wrote:
Nostalgia statistically is the most balanced map but play-wise it's probably something like Tau Cross.
..... and it would be funny if a progamer gets a message from SNSD/WG.
Wow, SNSD/WG is godtier. I'm thinking Hwasin might have a chance because girls think he's handsome.
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
still waiting for a final that tops WL finals :o
On April 04 2009 21:17 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2009 21:14 Drazzzt wrote:On April 04 2009 21:13 IdrA wrote:On April 04 2009 21:06 Smix wrote:
so I just read a fomos article that was posted - apparently leeyeonhee (jd's celebrity crush) messaged him before the finals to cheer him on.
jd = pimp WOW. really hmmm guess i should think about winning a starleague Yeah, but be careful. Some girls just look at your money  . thats quite all right when they look like that
oh shit
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Tears of the Moon
TvZ: 5-6 (45.5%) [ Games ]
ZvP: 13-2 (86.7%) [ Games ]
PvT: 5-8 (38.5%) [ Games ]
yep, awesome map pool.
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just back...gratz JD..watch the VOD later
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pretty amazing how only ONE of these games made it to defilers... and even then, you didnt see much of them. sad for fantasy, sad for terran =[. wp jaedong
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On April 04 2009 21:32 Lachrymose wrote:
Tears of the Moon
TvZ: 5-6 (45.5%) [ Games ]
ZvP: 13-2 (86.7%) [ Games ]
PvT: 5-8 (38.5%) [ Games ]
yep, awesome map pool.
Is tears really that imba or are protoss players just too stubborn to change? Sin Chupung-Ryeong has 2 entrances to nat and the stats are closer.
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