EPT[MSL] Ro16 Week 2-1 - Page 73
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NahLGaE
Korea (South)523 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On February 19 2009 21:34 .risingdragoon wrote: Yea, cus savior was the one who cheesed. Along with everyone else who lost game 2. Wow at calling 9pool cheese. | ||
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sushiman
Sweden2691 Posts
Since when is that considered cheese? Hwasin could prepare all he wanted. | ||
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
On February 19 2009 21:37 sushiman wrote: Since when is that considered cheese? Hwasin could prepare all he wanted. He prepared what he wanted.. Look where it got him :D | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
in a tvz? what year is this for you, 03? it's a huge gamble to open 9pool speed | ||
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goldenkrnboi
United States3104 Posts
On February 19 2009 21:37 Samurai- wrote: He prepared what he wanted.. Look where it got him :D that's not cheesing..... luxury faked him into thinking that he was going 2 hatch muta, like he usually does. that's why his factory was so late + didn't put down bunkers early on | ||
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ZoW
United States3983 Posts
In game 3: Savior > Upmagic (14CC vs 9 pool) Leta > Flash (BBS vs 1rax gas) Luxury > Hwasin (2 hatch lurks vs 14CC) ForGG > Free (Proxy rax bunker rush vs 14nex) | ||
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TheTyranid
Russian Federation4333 Posts
A this rate we will soon be calling 1 rax FE and 3 hatch cheese builds -_____-;; | ||
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poilord
Germany3252 Posts
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ZoW
United States3983 Posts
That's just my opinion though. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
Don't think 2 Hatch Lurkers is cheese too. BBS/Bunker Rushes are cheese though. It's Upmagic's fault for being extremely greedy by going 14 CC. Hwasin did not expect Luxury to go 2 Hatch Lurkers, can't blame him. Sorry to Flash, pity him. Losing to BBS its just plain sucky. Free got greedy too with 14 Nexus, but Bunker Rush is still meh. Unlucky on his part on not scouting the cheese earlier. | ||
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sushiman
Sweden2691 Posts
On February 19 2009 21:37 Samurai- wrote: He prepared what he wanted.. Look where it got him :D It's not like 2-hatch lurks is a strictly all-in strat, nor is it so early in the game that the opponent can't prepare for it. I fail to see how it could be called a cheese since Hwasin saw it coming, already had an expansion up and running, 3 barracks and 2 scanners. | ||
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goldenkrnboi
United States3104 Posts
On February 19 2009 21:40 ZoW wrote: I don't mind if people disagree, but I think 2 hatch lurk is pretty cheesy. Usually hit or miss, if it fails your pretty screwed.... That's just my opinion though. On February 19 2009 21:38 .risingdragoon wrote: in a tvz? what year is this for you, 03? it's a huge gamble to open 9pool speed cheesy=/=risky oh and btw, savior didn't go 9pool speed. it was just a regular 9pool. the extractor was for the extractor trick | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
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zatic
Zurich15325 Posts
http://www.youtube.com/user/nevake | ||
LosingID8
CA10826 Posts
On February 19 2009 21:41 Ilikestarcraft wrote: One day hwasin one day really you will win msl it's ok, hwasin is destined to win the OSL. this MSL is to be decided between savior and nada! | ||
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LosingID8
CA10826 Posts
zatic you are amazing | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
that is exactly what cheese is an early attack meant to end things fast that takes a huge risk, depending on the mu and map the risk goes up and down slightly but it's still cheese and that's what happened every single series edit: overpool's even more cheesy, omg | ||
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NahLGaE
Korea (South)523 Posts
On February 19 2009 21:40 ZoW wrote: I don't mind if people disagree, but I think 2 hatch lurk is pretty cheesy. Usually hit or miss, if it fails your pretty screwed.... That's just my opinion though. i agree its pretty all in (esp in that game, if lux failed on that map with those start pos no way he couldve won) but that doesnt necessarily make it a cheese build. imo theres a difference btw cheese and all in. most cheeses fall under all in (if not all) but not all 'all ins' fall under cheese. and i'd agree that 9overpool isnt cheese either. its a risk but its not a cheese at all and serves several other purposes even if zerg doesnt attack. straight 9pool might be closer to cheese in tvz but even thats a bit iffy. cheese is really total all in unexpected if they dont see this theyre screwed but its a huge gamble like 5pool or the offensive 8rax in forgg vs free. | ||
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ZoW
United States3983 Posts
Good point, risky builds can be salvaged if failed. I guess the difference is a "obvious straight up all-in move" versus "very risky but adaptable if done right" build. | ||
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