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NahLGaE
Profile Joined February 2008
Korea (South)523 Posts
February 19 2009 12:36 GMT
#1441
im sorry now i just feel freaking terrible for both flash and free. OH THE EMPATHY T____T
마재윤.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 19 2009 12:36 GMT
#1442
On February 19 2009 21:34 .risingdragoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2009 21:30 ZoW wrote:
You guys. I just realized something.

Savior was the only one today who didn't lose to cheese.

Yea, cus savior was the one who cheesed.

Along with everyone else who lost game 2.

Wow at calling 9pool cheese.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
sushiman
Profile Joined September 2003
Sweden2691 Posts
February 19 2009 12:37 GMT
#1443
On February 19 2009 21:35 ZoW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2009 21:34 sushiman wrote:
On February 19 2009 21:33 ZoW wrote:
On February 19 2009 21:32 Malinor wrote:
On February 19 2009 21:30 ZoW wrote:
You guys. I just realized something.

Savior was the only one today who didn't lose to cheese.


I would say Leta, Luxury and ForGG also din't lose to cheese today...


I meant in the deciding games, the one for the advancement into the ro8.

Hwasin didn't lose to cheese either...


2 hatch lurks?

Since when is that considered cheese? Hwasin could prepare all he wanted.
1000 at least.
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
February 19 2009 12:37 GMT
#1444
On February 19 2009 21:37 sushiman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2009 21:35 ZoW wrote:
On February 19 2009 21:34 sushiman wrote:
On February 19 2009 21:33 ZoW wrote:
On February 19 2009 21:32 Malinor wrote:
On February 19 2009 21:30 ZoW wrote:
You guys. I just realized something.

Savior was the only one today who didn't lose to cheese.


I would say Leta, Luxury and ForGG also din't lose to cheese today...


I meant in the deciding games, the one for the advancement into the ro8.

Hwasin didn't lose to cheese either...


2 hatch lurks?

Since when is that considered cheese? Hwasin could prepare all he wanted.

He prepared what he wanted.. Look where it got him :D
One ring, to rule them all!
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 12:38:58
February 19 2009 12:38 GMT
#1445
On February 19 2009 21:36 goldenkrnboi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2009 21:34 .risingdragoon wrote:
On February 19 2009 21:30 ZoW wrote:
You guys. I just realized something.

Savior was the only one today who didn't lose to cheese.

Yea, cus savior was the one who cheesed.

Along with everyone else who lost game 2.


overpool isn't cheesing.....

in a tvz? what year is this for you, 03?

it's a huge gamble to open 9pool speed
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Deleted User 30223
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3104 Posts
February 19 2009 12:39 GMT
#1446
On February 19 2009 21:37 Samurai- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2009 21:37 sushiman wrote:
On February 19 2009 21:35 ZoW wrote:
On February 19 2009 21:34 sushiman wrote:
On February 19 2009 21:33 ZoW wrote:
On February 19 2009 21:32 Malinor wrote:
On February 19 2009 21:30 ZoW wrote:
You guys. I just realized something.

Savior was the only one today who didn't lose to cheese.


I would say Leta, Luxury and ForGG also din't lose to cheese today...


I meant in the deciding games, the one for the advancement into the ro8.

Hwasin didn't lose to cheese either...


2 hatch lurks?

Since when is that considered cheese? Hwasin could prepare all he wanted.

He prepared what he wanted.. Look where it got him :D



that's not cheesing.....

luxury faked him into thinking that he was going 2 hatch muta, like he usually does. that's why his factory was so late + didn't put down bunkers early on
ZoW
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3983 Posts
February 19 2009 12:39 GMT
#1447
Eh. Clarification...
In game 3:
Savior > Upmagic (14CC vs 9 pool)
Leta > Flash (BBS vs 1rax gas)
Luxury > Hwasin (2 hatch lurks vs 14CC)
ForGG > Free (Proxy rax bunker rush vs 14nex)
the courage to be a lazy bum
TheTyranid
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Russian Federation4333 Posts
February 19 2009 12:39 GMT
#1448
So wait 2 hatch lurks is cheese too now?

A this rate we will soon be calling 1 rax FE and 3 hatch cheese builds -_____-;;
poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
February 19 2009 12:39 GMT
#1449
Now it's off to practising ZvZ for Savior ^^
ZoW
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3983 Posts
February 19 2009 12:40 GMT
#1450
I don't mind if people disagree, but I think 2 hatch lurk is pretty cheesy. Usually hit or miss, if it fails your pretty screwed....

That's just my opinion though.
the courage to be a lazy bum
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 12:42:34
February 19 2009 12:40 GMT
#1451
Don't think Overpool is cheese, its just an alternative strategy instead of FE.

Don't think 2 Hatch Lurkers is cheese too.

BBS/Bunker Rushes are cheese though.

It's Upmagic's fault for being extremely greedy by going 14 CC.

Hwasin did not expect Luxury to go 2 Hatch Lurkers, can't blame him.

Sorry to Flash, pity him. Losing to BBS its just plain sucky.

Free got greedy too with 14 Nexus, but Bunker Rush is still meh. Unlucky on his part on not scouting the cheese earlier.
sushiman
Profile Joined September 2003
Sweden2691 Posts
February 19 2009 12:41 GMT
#1452
On February 19 2009 21:37 Samurai- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2009 21:37 sushiman wrote:
On February 19 2009 21:35 ZoW wrote:
On February 19 2009 21:34 sushiman wrote:
On February 19 2009 21:33 ZoW wrote:
On February 19 2009 21:32 Malinor wrote:
On February 19 2009 21:30 ZoW wrote:
You guys. I just realized something.

Savior was the only one today who didn't lose to cheese.


I would say Leta, Luxury and ForGG also din't lose to cheese today...


I meant in the deciding games, the one for the advancement into the ro8.

Hwasin didn't lose to cheese either...


2 hatch lurks?

Since when is that considered cheese? Hwasin could prepare all he wanted.

He prepared what he wanted.. Look where it got him :D

It's not like 2-hatch lurks is a strictly all-in strat, nor is it so early in the game that the opponent can't prepare for it. I fail to see how it could be called a cheese since Hwasin saw it coming, already had an expansion up and running, 3 barracks and 2 scanners.
1000 at least.
Deleted User 30223
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3104 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 12:45:30
February 19 2009 12:41 GMT
#1453
On February 19 2009 21:40 ZoW wrote:
I don't mind if people disagree, but I think 2 hatch lurk is pretty cheesy. Usually hit or miss, if it fails your pretty screwed....

That's just my opinion though.


On February 19 2009 21:38 .risingdragoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2009 21:36 goldenkrnboi wrote:
On February 19 2009 21:34 .risingdragoon wrote:
On February 19 2009 21:30 ZoW wrote:
You guys. I just realized something.

Savior was the only one today who didn't lose to cheese.

Yea, cus savior was the one who cheesed.

Along with everyone else who lost game 2.


overpool isn't cheesing.....

in a tvz? what year is this for you, 03?

it's a huge gamble to open 9pool speed


cheesy=/=risky

oh and btw, savior didn't go 9pool speed. it was just a regular 9pool. the extractor was for the extractor trick
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
February 19 2009 12:41 GMT
#1454
One day hwasin one day really you will win msl

ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
February 19 2009 12:43 GMT
#1455
VODs are up btw:

http://www.youtube.com/user/nevake
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10835 Posts
February 19 2009 12:44 GMT
#1456
On February 19 2009 21:41 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
One day hwasin one day really you will win msl


it's ok, hwasin is destined to win the OSL. this MSL is to be decided between savior and nada!
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LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10835 Posts
February 19 2009 12:44 GMT
#1457
On February 19 2009 21:43 zatic wrote:
VODs are up btw:

http://www.youtube.com/user/nevake

zatic you are amazing
ModeratorResident K-POP Elitist
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 12:51:16
February 19 2009 12:44 GMT
#1458
On February 19 2009 21:41 goldenkrnboi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2009 21:40 ZoW wrote:
I don't mind if people disagree, but I think 2 hatch lurk is pretty cheesy. Usually hit or miss, if it fails your pretty screwed....

That's just my opinion though.


cheesy=/=risky

that is exactly what cheese is

an early attack meant to end things fast that takes a huge risk, depending on the mu and map the risk goes up and down slightly but it's still cheese

and that's what happened every single series

edit: overpool's even more cheesy, omg
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NahLGaE
Profile Joined February 2008
Korea (South)523 Posts
February 19 2009 12:45 GMT
#1459
On February 19 2009 21:40 ZoW wrote:
I don't mind if people disagree, but I think 2 hatch lurk is pretty cheesy. Usually hit or miss, if it fails your pretty screwed....

That's just my opinion though.


i agree its pretty all in (esp in that game, if lux failed on that map with those start pos no way he couldve won) but that doesnt necessarily make it a cheese build. imo theres a difference btw cheese and all in. most cheeses fall under all in (if not all) but not all 'all ins' fall under cheese.

and i'd agree that 9overpool isnt cheese either. its a risk but its not a cheese at all and serves several other purposes even if zerg doesnt attack. straight 9pool might be closer to cheese in tvz but even thats a bit iffy. cheese is really total all in unexpected if they dont see this theyre screwed but its a huge gamble like 5pool or the offensive 8rax in forgg vs free.
마재윤.
ZoW
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3983 Posts
February 19 2009 12:45 GMT
#1460
On February 19 2009 21:41 goldenkrnboi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2009 21:40 ZoW wrote:
I don't mind if people disagree, but I think 2 hatch lurk is pretty cheesy. Usually hit or miss, if it fails your pretty screwed....

That's just my opinion though.


Show nested quote +
On February 19 2009 21:38 .risingdragoon wrote:
On February 19 2009 21:36 goldenkrnboi wrote:
On February 19 2009 21:34 .risingdragoon wrote:
On February 19 2009 21:30 ZoW wrote:
You guys. I just realized something.

Savior was the only one today who didn't lose to cheese.

Yea, cus savior was the one who cheesed.

Along with everyone else who lost game 2.


overpool isn't cheesing.....

in a tvz? what year is this for you, 03?

it's a huge gamble to open 9pool speed


cheesy=/=risky


Good point, risky builds can be salvaged if failed. I guess the difference is a "obvious straight up all-in move" versus "very risky but adaptable if done right" build.
the courage to be a lazy bum
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