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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
WOW +1 OSL WIN? 3 MSL 1 OSL BONJWA? | ||
DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
On January 27 2009 02:52 DreaM)XeRO wrote: Ro3: ![]() ![]() Bisu is no longer the PvT suxxor we once knew and loved. He is now the bonjwa canidate. With recent wins over Terran GODS such as Flash, Skyhigh and Flash, I hope he can roll over Mind. ![]() ![]() .....Mind > Light...and Bisu > Mind..need i say more? In the event that doesn't happen... ![]() ![]() Light is a TvZ sniper, and his TvT is ..ok? Predicting that Mind will run him over. fuck that.. still expecting Bisu to advance called it | ||
dmfg
United Kingdom591 Posts
On January 28 2009 23:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Show nested quote + On January 28 2009 23:25 dmfg wrote: I'm glad that Bisu is still in OSL for sure. But it leaves a bit of a bitter taste that he gets a second shot after randomly losing to weaker players, when nobody else did (Jaedong getting cheesed out by Backho anyone? Or Flash losing to GGplay on Plasma?) The games will be better now he's back in but it's still kinda unfair to everyone else. there is no possible solution that is more fair backho cannot compete in this OSL. what would you have OGN do? go back in time and rough up some of the scrubs in previous OSLs? Give Flash another shot at his round of 8 series against GGPlay? How much sense does that make? backho's injury was a freak occurence, and this is by far the best possible solution. nothing you said makes any sense Before I say anything else, I'll point out that given that the choice by OGN to hold a Wildcard tourney, Bisu re-qualifying for OSL was entirely deserved, going 6-0 against some pretty tough opponents. However I am massively against the choice of doing a wildcard. Of course there's a solution that's more fair. Do what every other sport does in this situation - if you pull out of a match for any reason, you forfeit the match. Therefore Backho's opponent in ro16 should have got a walkover IMO. I mean the whole point of OSL is that it's pretty brutal in terms of going out - anyone can go out at any stage (whether by playing poorly for a moment, or just from dumb luck), even if on average they're a far superior player to their opponent. If we wanted to make it fair why not just award the OSL to the best player at any time? Or play a Swiss format? Or play bo15 matches from the start? (Hyperbole to make a point - not serious suggestions) Freak occurrences do happen, but IMO they should all be treated the same. Whether that freak occurrence is getting injured, Bisu going 0-2 against zergs he should beat, Flash getting massively complacent against GGplay or whatever. People start in the tournament, and they can only go out, not back in. That's why this is an elimination tournament, not a league. | ||
amanet
Croatia334 Posts
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
On January 29 2009 22:20 dmfg wrote: Show nested quote + On January 28 2009 23:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: On January 28 2009 23:25 dmfg wrote: I'm glad that Bisu is still in OSL for sure. But it leaves a bit of a bitter taste that he gets a second shot after randomly losing to weaker players, when nobody else did (Jaedong getting cheesed out by Backho anyone? Or Flash losing to GGplay on Plasma?) The games will be better now he's back in but it's still kinda unfair to everyone else. there is no possible solution that is more fair backho cannot compete in this OSL. what would you have OGN do? go back in time and rough up some of the scrubs in previous OSLs? Give Flash another shot at his round of 8 series against GGPlay? How much sense does that make? backho's injury was a freak occurence, and this is by far the best possible solution. nothing you said makes any sense Before I say anything else, I'll point out that given that the choice by OGN to hold a Wildcard tourney, Bisu re-qualifying for OSL was entirely deserved, going 6-0 against some pretty tough opponents. However I am massively against the choice of doing a wildcard. Of course there's a solution that's more fair. Do what every other sport does in this situation - if you pull out of a match for any reason, you forfeit the match. Therefore Backho's opponent in ro16 should have got a walkover IMO. I mean the whole point of OSL is that it's pretty brutal in terms of going out - anyone can go out at any stage (whether by playing poorly for a moment, or just from dumb luck), even if on average they're a far superior player to their opponent. If we wanted to make it fair why not just award the OSL to the best player at any time? Or play a Swiss format? Or play bo15 matches from the start? (Hyperbole to make a point - not serious suggestions) Freak occurrences do happen, but IMO they should all be treated the same. Whether that freak occurrence is getting injured, Bisu going 0-2 against zergs he should beat, Flash getting massively complacent against GGplay or whatever. People start in the tournament, and they can only go out, not back in. That's why this is an elimination tournament, not a league. You're entitled to your opinion, but obviously OGN wants people to watch their streams to generate income. Giving chances for fan-favs that are already out is one point, and not having a gap in broadcast (the time Backho's games would've been on) is another. In the end, this is just business for them, and - obviously - they do not, and should not (imo, as a viewer who wants to watch good StarCraft) agree with you. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On January 29 2009 22:20 dmfg wrote: Show nested quote + On January 28 2009 23:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: On January 28 2009 23:25 dmfg wrote: I'm glad that Bisu is still in OSL for sure. But it leaves a bit of a bitter taste that he gets a second shot after randomly losing to weaker players, when nobody else did (Jaedong getting cheesed out by Backho anyone? Or Flash losing to GGplay on Plasma?) The games will be better now he's back in but it's still kinda unfair to everyone else. there is no possible solution that is more fair backho cannot compete in this OSL. what would you have OGN do? go back in time and rough up some of the scrubs in previous OSLs? Give Flash another shot at his round of 8 series against GGPlay? How much sense does that make? backho's injury was a freak occurence, and this is by far the best possible solution. nothing you said makes any sense Before I say anything else, I'll point out that given that the choice by OGN to hold a Wildcard tourney, Bisu re-qualifying for OSL was entirely deserved, going 6-0 against some pretty tough opponents. However I am massively against the choice of doing a wildcard. Of course there's a solution that's more fair. Do what every other sport does in this situation - if you pull out of a match for any reason, you forfeit the match. Therefore Backho's opponent in ro16 should have got a walkover IMO. I mean the whole point of OSL is that it's pretty brutal in terms of going out - anyone can go out at any stage (whether by playing poorly for a moment, or just from dumb luck), even if on average they're a far superior player to their opponent. If we wanted to make it fair why not just award the OSL to the best player at any time? Or play a Swiss format? Or play bo15 matches from the start? (Hyperbole to make a point - not serious suggestions) Freak occurrences do happen, but IMO they should all be treated the same. Whether that freak occurrence is getting injured, Bisu going 0-2 against zergs he should beat, Flash getting massively complacent against GGplay or whatever. People start in the tournament, and they can only go out, not back in. That's why this is an elimination tournament, not a league. 1. i don't think OGN has a choice, its established in its regulations probably that wildcard should be held. if this isn't the case, and they have a choice, or if you disagree with their rules, then: 2. ro16 walkover is not a valid solution because of the group / broadcast structure. OSL Ro16 is four groups of four, you can't randomly have a group of three. making the entire tournament easier for three players out of sheer luck is far more unfair than allowing one additional player (the one who wins the wildcard) in; i think we can all agree the winner of the wildcard is the most deserving for the spot 3. it's also more fair than simply allowing firefist, as i said, because wildcard is determined by play and allows the best player than simply putting in someone because they lucked out to be in backho's ro36 group | ||
GeLaar
2421 Posts
On January 29 2009 22:20 dmfg wrote: However I am massively against the choice of doing a wildcard. Of course there's a solution that's more fair. Do what every other sport does in this situation - if you pull out of a match for any reason, you forfeit the match. Therefore Backho's opponent in ro16 should have got a walkover IMO. I mean the whole point of OSL is that it's pretty brutal in terms of going out - anyone can go out at any stage (whether by playing poorly for a moment, or just from dumb luck), even if on average they're a far superior player to their opponent. If we wanted to make it fair why not just award the OSL to the best player at any time? Or play a Swiss format? Or play bo15 matches from the start? (Hyperbole to make a point - not serious suggestions) Freak occurrences do happen, but IMO they should all be treated the same. Whether that freak occurrence is getting injured, Bisu going 0-2 against zergs he should beat, Flash getting massively complacent against GGplay or whatever. People start in the tournament, and they can only go out, not back in. That's why this is an elimination tournament, not a league. This would all make sense if the Ro16 group selection had occurred before Backho's injury. As it stands, they are having the selection ceremony tomorrow, and without the wildcard they would've been one player short. This would have made things very unbalanced. They can call it a forfeited game if the next opponentis determined prior to the freak event, otherwise they'll just give someone a huge advantage. | ||
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disciple
9070 Posts
On January 29 2009 22:20 dmfg wrote: Show nested quote + On January 28 2009 23:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: On January 28 2009 23:25 dmfg wrote: I'm glad that Bisu is still in OSL for sure. But it leaves a bit of a bitter taste that he gets a second shot after randomly losing to weaker players, when nobody else did (Jaedong getting cheesed out by Backho anyone? Or Flash losing to GGplay on Plasma?) The games will be better now he's back in but it's still kinda unfair to everyone else. there is no possible solution that is more fair backho cannot compete in this OSL. what would you have OGN do? go back in time and rough up some of the scrubs in previous OSLs? Give Flash another shot at his round of 8 series against GGPlay? How much sense does that make? backho's injury was a freak occurence, and this is by far the best possible solution. nothing you said makes any sense Before I say anything else, I'll point out that given that the choice by OGN to hold a Wildcard tourney, Bisu re-qualifying for OSL was entirely deserved, going 6-0 against some pretty tough opponents. However I am massively against the choice of doing a wildcard. Of course there's a solution that's more fair. Do what every other sport does in this situation - if you pull out of a match for any reason, you forfeit the match. Therefore Backho's opponent in ro16 should have got a walkover IMO. I mean the whole point of OSL is that it's pretty brutal in terms of going out - anyone can go out at any stage (whether by playing poorly for a moment, or just from dumb luck), even if on average they're a far superior player to their opponent. If we wanted to make it fair why not just award the OSL to the best player at any time? Or play a Swiss format? Or play bo15 matches from the start? (Hyperbole to make a point - not serious suggestions) Freak occurrences do happen, but IMO they should all be treated the same. Whether that freak occurrence is getting injured, Bisu going 0-2 against zergs he should beat, Flash getting massively complacent against GGplay or whatever. People start in the tournament, and they can only go out, not back in. That's why this is an elimination tournament, not a league. OSL went through different formats , the current one is just another step, if the organizers decide they could even bring back the losers bracket ... | ||
koreasilver
9109 Posts
Rock for bonjwa, imo. | ||
dmfg
United Kingdom591 Posts
On January 29 2009 23:31 GeLaar wrote: This would all make sense if the Ro16 group selection had occurred before Backho's injury. As it stands, they are having the selection ceremony tomorrow, and without the wildcard they would've been one player short. This would have made things very unbalanced. They can call it a forfeited game if the next opponentis determined prior to the freak event, otherwise they'll just give someone a huge advantage. This I did not realise - I'd thought the groups were fixed based on which ro36 group the winner came from. In that case I guess they don't have much choice. I agree that having Bisu in will make for much better games than if he were out, it is just the aggrieved fanboy in me that is somewhat bitter about this :p | ||
amanet
Croatia334 Posts
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
When will we see the lineups? | ||
Mista
Singapore1022 Posts
On January 31 2009 03:46 AzureEye wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86978Dude this rocks, I hope Bisu goes to Finals in OSL or something. When will we see the lineups? | ||
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disciple
9070 Posts
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
luv it | ||
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