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DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
January 29 2009 12:22 GMT
#1361
wowowowoowowowwoowowowowowow
WOW

+1 OSL WIN?

3 MSL 1 OSL

BONJWA?

cw)minsean(ru
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-29 12:24:54
January 29 2009 12:23 GMT
#1362
On January 27 2009 02:52 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
Ro3:

(T)Mind < (P)Bisu

Bisu is no longer the PvT suxxor we once knew and loved. He is now the bonjwa canidate. With recent wins over Terran GODS such as Flash, Skyhigh and Flash, I hope he can roll over Mind.

(T)Light < (P)Bisu

.....Mind > Light...and Bisu > Mind..need i say more?

In the event that doesn't happen...

(T)Mind > (T)Light

Light is a TvZ sniper, and his TvT is ..ok? Predicting that Mind will run him over.


fuck that..
still expecting Bisu to advance



called it
cw)minsean(ru
dmfg
Profile Joined May 2008
United Kingdom591 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-29 13:21:04
January 29 2009 13:20 GMT
#1363
On January 28 2009 23:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2009 23:25 dmfg wrote:
I'm glad that Bisu is still in OSL for sure. But it leaves a bit of a bitter taste that he gets a second shot after randomly losing to weaker players, when nobody else did (Jaedong getting cheesed out by Backho anyone? Or Flash losing to GGplay on Plasma?)

The games will be better now he's back in but it's still kinda unfair to everyone else.


there is no possible solution that is more fair

backho cannot compete in this OSL. what would you have OGN do? go back in time and rough up some of the scrubs in previous OSLs? Give Flash another shot at his round of 8 series against GGPlay? How much sense does that make?

backho's injury was a freak occurence, and this is by far the best possible solution. nothing you said makes any sense


Before I say anything else, I'll point out that given that the choice by OGN to hold a Wildcard tourney, Bisu re-qualifying for OSL was entirely deserved, going 6-0 against some pretty tough opponents.

However I am massively against the choice of doing a wildcard. Of course there's a solution that's more fair. Do what every other sport does in this situation - if you pull out of a match for any reason, you forfeit the match. Therefore Backho's opponent in ro16 should have got a walkover IMO.

I mean the whole point of OSL is that it's pretty brutal in terms of going out - anyone can go out at any stage (whether by playing poorly for a moment, or just from dumb luck), even if on average they're a far superior player to their opponent. If we wanted to make it fair why not just award the OSL to the best player at any time? Or play a Swiss format? Or play bo15 matches from the start? (Hyperbole to make a point - not serious suggestions)

Freak occurrences do happen, but IMO they should all be treated the same. Whether that freak occurrence is getting injured, Bisu going 0-2 against zergs he should beat, Flash getting massively complacent against GGplay or whatever. People start in the tournament, and they can only go out, not back in. That's why this is an elimination tournament, not a league.
amanet
Profile Joined December 2007
Croatia334 Posts
January 29 2009 13:55 GMT
#1364
where can i find VODs of this event ?
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4843 Posts
January 29 2009 14:05 GMT
#1365
On January 29 2009 22:20 dmfg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2009 23:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On January 28 2009 23:25 dmfg wrote:
I'm glad that Bisu is still in OSL for sure. But it leaves a bit of a bitter taste that he gets a second shot after randomly losing to weaker players, when nobody else did (Jaedong getting cheesed out by Backho anyone? Or Flash losing to GGplay on Plasma?)

The games will be better now he's back in but it's still kinda unfair to everyone else.


there is no possible solution that is more fair

backho cannot compete in this OSL. what would you have OGN do? go back in time and rough up some of the scrubs in previous OSLs? Give Flash another shot at his round of 8 series against GGPlay? How much sense does that make?

backho's injury was a freak occurence, and this is by far the best possible solution. nothing you said makes any sense


Before I say anything else, I'll point out that given that the choice by OGN to hold a Wildcard tourney, Bisu re-qualifying for OSL was entirely deserved, going 6-0 against some pretty tough opponents.

However I am massively against the choice of doing a wildcard. Of course there's a solution that's more fair. Do what every other sport does in this situation - if you pull out of a match for any reason, you forfeit the match. Therefore Backho's opponent in ro16 should have got a walkover IMO.

I mean the whole point of OSL is that it's pretty brutal in terms of going out - anyone can go out at any stage (whether by playing poorly for a moment, or just from dumb luck), even if on average they're a far superior player to their opponent. If we wanted to make it fair why not just award the OSL to the best player at any time? Or play a Swiss format? Or play bo15 matches from the start? (Hyperbole to make a point - not serious suggestions)

Freak occurrences do happen, but IMO they should all be treated the same. Whether that freak occurrence is getting injured, Bisu going 0-2 against zergs he should beat, Flash getting massively complacent against GGplay or whatever. People start in the tournament, and they can only go out, not back in. That's why this is an elimination tournament, not a league.


You're entitled to your opinion, but obviously OGN wants people to watch their streams to generate income. Giving chances for fan-favs that are already out is one point, and not having a gap in broadcast (the time Backho's games would've been on) is another. In the end, this is just business for them, and - obviously - they do not, and should not (imo, as a viewer who wants to watch good StarCraft) agree with you.
Complete the cycle!
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
January 29 2009 14:31 GMT
#1366
On January 29 2009 22:20 dmfg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2009 23:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On January 28 2009 23:25 dmfg wrote:
I'm glad that Bisu is still in OSL for sure. But it leaves a bit of a bitter taste that he gets a second shot after randomly losing to weaker players, when nobody else did (Jaedong getting cheesed out by Backho anyone? Or Flash losing to GGplay on Plasma?)

The games will be better now he's back in but it's still kinda unfair to everyone else.


there is no possible solution that is more fair

backho cannot compete in this OSL. what would you have OGN do? go back in time and rough up some of the scrubs in previous OSLs? Give Flash another shot at his round of 8 series against GGPlay? How much sense does that make?

backho's injury was a freak occurence, and this is by far the best possible solution. nothing you said makes any sense


Before I say anything else, I'll point out that given that the choice by OGN to hold a Wildcard tourney, Bisu re-qualifying for OSL was entirely deserved, going 6-0 against some pretty tough opponents.

However I am massively against the choice of doing a wildcard. Of course there's a solution that's more fair. Do what every other sport does in this situation - if you pull out of a match for any reason, you forfeit the match. Therefore Backho's opponent in ro16 should have got a walkover IMO.

I mean the whole point of OSL is that it's pretty brutal in terms of going out - anyone can go out at any stage (whether by playing poorly for a moment, or just from dumb luck), even if on average they're a far superior player to their opponent. If we wanted to make it fair why not just award the OSL to the best player at any time? Or play a Swiss format? Or play bo15 matches from the start? (Hyperbole to make a point - not serious suggestions)

Freak occurrences do happen, but IMO they should all be treated the same. Whether that freak occurrence is getting injured, Bisu going 0-2 against zergs he should beat, Flash getting massively complacent against GGplay or whatever. People start in the tournament, and they can only go out, not back in. That's why this is an elimination tournament, not a league.

1. i don't think OGN has a choice, its established in its regulations probably that wildcard should be held. if this isn't the case, and they have a choice, or if you disagree with their rules, then:

2. ro16 walkover is not a valid solution because of the group / broadcast structure. OSL Ro16 is four groups of four, you can't randomly have a group of three. making the entire tournament easier for three players out of sheer luck is far more unfair than allowing one additional player (the one who wins the wildcard) in; i think we can all agree the winner of the wildcard is the most deserving for the spot

3. it's also more fair than simply allowing firefist, as i said, because wildcard is determined by play and allows the best player than simply putting in someone because they lucked out to be in backho's ro36 group
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GeLaar
Profile Joined January 2003
2421 Posts
January 29 2009 14:31 GMT
#1367
On January 29 2009 22:20 dmfg wrote:
However I am massively against the choice of doing a wildcard. Of course there's a solution that's more fair. Do what every other sport does in this situation - if you pull out of a match for any reason, you forfeit the match. Therefore Backho's opponent in ro16 should have got a walkover IMO.

I mean the whole point of OSL is that it's pretty brutal in terms of going out - anyone can go out at any stage (whether by playing poorly for a moment, or just from dumb luck), even if on average they're a far superior player to their opponent. If we wanted to make it fair why not just award the OSL to the best player at any time? Or play a Swiss format? Or play bo15 matches from the start? (Hyperbole to make a point - not serious suggestions)

Freak occurrences do happen, but IMO they should all be treated the same. Whether that freak occurrence is getting injured, Bisu going 0-2 against zergs he should beat, Flash getting massively complacent against GGplay or whatever. People start in the tournament, and they can only go out, not back in. That's why this is an elimination tournament, not a league.


This would all make sense if the Ro16 group selection had occurred before Backho's injury. As it stands, they are having the selection ceremony tomorrow, and without the wildcard they would've been one player short. This would have made things very unbalanced. They can call it a forfeited game if the next opponentis determined prior to the freak event, otherwise they'll just give someone a huge advantage.
Brood War is alive and well.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
January 29 2009 16:47 GMT
#1368
On January 29 2009 22:20 dmfg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2009 23:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On January 28 2009 23:25 dmfg wrote:
I'm glad that Bisu is still in OSL for sure. But it leaves a bit of a bitter taste that he gets a second shot after randomly losing to weaker players, when nobody else did (Jaedong getting cheesed out by Backho anyone? Or Flash losing to GGplay on Plasma?)

The games will be better now he's back in but it's still kinda unfair to everyone else.


there is no possible solution that is more fair

backho cannot compete in this OSL. what would you have OGN do? go back in time and rough up some of the scrubs in previous OSLs? Give Flash another shot at his round of 8 series against GGPlay? How much sense does that make?

backho's injury was a freak occurence, and this is by far the best possible solution. nothing you said makes any sense


Before I say anything else, I'll point out that given that the choice by OGN to hold a Wildcard tourney, Bisu re-qualifying for OSL was entirely deserved, going 6-0 against some pretty tough opponents.

However I am massively against the choice of doing a wildcard. Of course there's a solution that's more fair. Do what every other sport does in this situation - if you pull out of a match for any reason, you forfeit the match. Therefore Backho's opponent in ro16 should have got a walkover IMO.

I mean the whole point of OSL is that it's pretty brutal in terms of going out - anyone can go out at any stage (whether by playing poorly for a moment, or just from dumb luck), even if on average they're a far superior player to their opponent. If we wanted to make it fair why not just award the OSL to the best player at any time? Or play a Swiss format? Or play bo15 matches from the start? (Hyperbole to make a point - not serious suggestions)

Freak occurrences do happen, but IMO they should all be treated the same. Whether that freak occurrence is getting injured, Bisu going 0-2 against zergs he should beat, Flash getting massively complacent against GGplay or whatever. People start in the tournament, and they can only go out, not back in. That's why this is an elimination tournament, not a league.


OSL went through different formats , the current one is just another step, if the organizers decide they could even bring back the losers bracket ...
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
January 29 2009 16:53 GMT
#1369
I'm just upset that Bisu vs. Magma didn't happen and that Rock didn't win this with his gosu reaver/carrier play.

Rock for bonjwa, imo.
dmfg
Profile Joined May 2008
United Kingdom591 Posts
January 29 2009 17:33 GMT
#1370
Wow, that generated a lot of responses :-)

On January 29 2009 23:31 GeLaar wrote:
This would all make sense if the Ro16 group selection had occurred before Backho's injury. As it stands, they are having the selection ceremony tomorrow, and without the wildcard they would've been one player short. This would have made things very unbalanced. They can call it a forfeited game if the next opponentis determined prior to the freak event, otherwise they'll just give someone a huge advantage.


This I did not realise - I'd thought the groups were fixed based on which ro36 group the winner came from. In that case I guess they don't have much choice.

I agree that having Bisu in will make for much better games than if he were out, it is just the aggrieved fanboy in me that is somewhat bitter about this :p
amanet
Profile Joined December 2007
Croatia334 Posts
January 30 2009 07:51 GMT
#1371
VODS?
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
January 30 2009 18:46 GMT
#1372
Dude this rocks, I hope Bisu goes to Finals in OSL or something.

When will we see the lineups?
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
Mista
Profile Joined January 2009
Singapore1022 Posts
January 30 2009 18:49 GMT
#1373
On January 31 2009 03:46 AzureEye wrote:
Dude this rocks, I hope Bisu goes to Finals in OSL or something.

When will we see the lineups?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86978
Time for some Revolution !
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
January 30 2009 20:09 GMT
#1374
I think Bisu played very bad against much , but the grand pa made tons of critical mistakes
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
January 30 2009 23:02 GMT
#1375
Bisus winning streak against t is so sick, 3 times flash, now mind

luv it
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
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