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Set 1:
Leta vs 
BestGodSet 2:
Sea vs Winner----------------------------------
Leta vs BestGod Results+ Show Spoiler +
Sea vs Winner results+ Show Spoiler +
Best of three each match.
Map Rotation:
Tears of the Moon
Medusa
Return of the King
[OSL]Ro36 - Group A
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genwar
Canada537 Posts
Set 1: Leta vs BestGodSet 2: Sea vs Winner---------------------------------- Leta vs BestGod Results+ Show Spoiler + Sea vs Winner results+ Show Spoiler + Best of three each match. Map Rotation: Tears of the Moon Medusa Return of the King | ||
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
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KreaGata
United States1702 Posts
Any idea on where to watch this? I don't see it on the Daum Sports schedule, and I shudder just thinking about using Daum Player. | ||
Aesop
Hungary11305 Posts
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Corinthos
Canada1842 Posts
mmsh://75.126.18.2:2112 | ||
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KreaGata
United States1702 Posts
On December 17 2008 18:21 Corinthos wrote: osl (hq) vlc stream: mmsh://75.126.18.2:2112 ... You manage to outdo yourself once again. Thanks! | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
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KreaGata
United States1702 Posts
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)aguar
Czech Republic111 Posts
its stream from your pc? | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On December 17 2008 18:21 Corinthos wrote: osl (hq) vlc stream: mmsh://75.126.18.2:2112 Thank you SO much. I was afraid this might be like survivor and have no stream anywhere. Rooting for Sea. The guy can't lose yet. Stork needs needs him around for his "autowin".  | ||
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OSWater
United States1343 Posts
On December 17 2008 18:21 Corinthos wrote: osl (hq) vlc stream: mmsh://75.126.18.2:2112 i love you. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On December 17 2008 18:26 )aguar wrote: mmsh://75.126.18.2:2112 its stream from your pc? afaik yes | ||
LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
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Roxen000
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
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YEAHHHH BOIIII
United States238 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Zinbiel
Sweden878 Posts
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Elsi
United Kingdom8173 Posts
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
Speaking of which, they're doing a map preview! - Terran can't build a bunker over a certain ramp (not sure which) - Neutral buildings are stacked - The expo w/ 4 mineral patches has 300 minerals in each patch. | ||
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OSWater
United States1343 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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KreaGata
United States1702 Posts
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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Solinren
United States2653 Posts
All twilight maps tonight eh? | ||
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YEAHHHH BOIIII
United States238 Posts
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snapcrackle
United States568 Posts
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LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
8 mineral patches in main, so low econ map natural has 8 mineral patches as well. dangerous because many entrances reverse ramp going up hill from nat, unbuildable terrain at top 2 stacked refineries small amount of mineral patches (4 and 6) in further expansions, but 2x the mineral per patch. | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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Solinren
United States2653 Posts
Leta go go | ||
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KreaGata
United States1702 Posts
On December 17 2008 18:37 LosingID8 wrote: explanation of tears of the moon: 8 mineral patches in main, so low econ map natural has 8 mineral patches as well. dangerous because many entrances reverse ramp going up hill from nat, unbuildable terrain at top 2 stacked refineries small amount of mineral patches (4 and 6) in further expansions, but 2x the mineral per patch. Ah, thanks. I'm really curious to see how games play out on this. Too bad there are no Zs today to see how they fare. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
Hehe nevermind, thanks. | ||
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LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/OneOther/OSL.jpg) | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
On December 17 2008 18:40 LosingID8 wrote: err i meant power generators. hard to keep up translating real-time. UNACCEPTABLE | ||
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Solinren
United States2653 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
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sashkata
Bulgaria3241 Posts
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Phearlock
Norway400 Posts
Although I'm rooting for sea tbh, as bad idea as it might seem. (comon sea, make it big in an individual league for once!!!) | ||
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
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snapcrackle
United States568 Posts
On December 17 2008 18:40 Solinren wrote: Wow these cuties in the back, and her HAIR OMG not as great as last season >< | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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KreaGata
United States1702 Posts
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OSWater
United States1343 Posts
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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Solinren
United States2653 Posts
Still good eye candy. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
thankee | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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ShoGunBo
Romania55 Posts
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KreaGata
United States1702 Posts
Leta in blue @ 10, BestGod in red at 2. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Solinren
United States2653 Posts
Yay walled. | ||
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KreaGata
United States1702 Posts
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6639 Posts
Ty Corinthos! | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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KreaGata
United States1702 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
On December 17 2008 18:45 Tianx wrote: Heh, commentators talking about race balance. It looks like things aren't going to be quite as easy for protoss on the new maps. Hell, it's about time. | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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Elsi
United Kingdom8173 Posts
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KreaGata
United States1702 Posts
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
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SaveYourSavior
United States1071 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
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KreaGata
United States1702 Posts
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KreaGata
United States1702 Posts
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
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SaveYourSavior
United States1071 Posts
edit: 2 TANKS TAKEN OUT i think im not completely sure | ||
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KreaGata
United States1702 Posts
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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Solinren
United States2653 Posts
Perfect for vultures | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
Anyways, leta expanding to nat, bestgod has nat up and running, leta trying to vult harass, picked off a probe. bestgod with robo and observatory, leta 2 fact both add-on, nat running now. obs out, goons clearing mines | ||
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KreaGata
United States1702 Posts
ebay going up for Leta, observer out for toss so he does some mine cleaning. | ||
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KreaGata
United States1702 Posts
On December 17 2008 18:51 EvilTeletubby wrote: I can LR but my stream crapped out, back now, not sure what happened on that attack. Anyways, leta expanding to nat, bestgod has nat up and running, leta trying to vult harass, picked off a probe. bestgod with robo and observatory, leta 2 fact both add-on, nat running now. obs out, goons clearing mines Ok thanks. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
temp archives up, stargate warping in, we'll see arbiters soon, 4 gates for bestgod, still 2 base for both | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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Solinren
United States2653 Posts
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6639 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
fuck stream died | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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SaveYourSavior
United States1071 Posts
bestgod's attack is a failure! | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
tanks are setup above best gods nat, bestgod rushing into with zeals/goons/dts into leta's nat, he make it up the ramp but is repelled by fresh units, leta pushing into bestgods nat! it's working! | ||
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Elsi
United Kingdom8173 Posts
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
Looks bad for the protoss. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
GG! Bestgod types out! | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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khersai
Poland366 Posts
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SaveYourSavior
United States1071 Posts
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6639 Posts
On December 17 2008 18:56 Elsi wrote: this map looks a real pain pvt ^^ It does indeed, that was a swift conclusion. | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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OSWater
United States1343 Posts
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
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ZhenMiChan
Netherlands1181 Posts
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Rigodon666
Canada183 Posts
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
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Piste
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
He lost stray units needlessly, and did not harass at all. I would honestly NOT judge the map's balance from this game, Leta played much better than bestgod did. | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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KreaGata
United States1702 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On December 17 2008 18:58 EleanorRIgby wrote: lol at the protoss already crying after 1 game how the hell are you not banned yet? damn. | ||
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
On December 17 2008 18:58 EvilTeletubby wrote: Everyone saying it's unfair to protoss -> Bestgod played like total shit. He overextended himself tech wise, then did NOTHING with it. He basically just let Leta walk up to his nat and turtle push on his cliff, while his counter was terrible and did nothing. He lost stray units needlessly, and did not harass at all. I would honestly NOT judge the map's balance from this game, Leta played much better than bestgod did. But we can hope! | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On December 17 2008 18:58 EvilTeletubby wrote: Everyone saying it's unfair to protoss -> Bestgod played like total shit. He overextended himself tech wise, then did NOTHING with it. He basically just let Leta walk up to his nat and turtle push on his cliff, while his counter was terrible and did nothing. He lost stray units needlessly, and did not harass at all. I would honestly NOT judge the map's balance from this game, Leta played much better than bestgod did. You're probably right. That game kind of reminded me of Stork vs Fantasy game 3, when Fantasy put down that nasty contain. | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
On December 17 2008 19:00 OneOther wrote: how the hell are you not banned yet? damn. tell me how bad did smi loose | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
I'm very curious to see how the low ground natural will play out in future games. Leta seemed to have abused it pretty well | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
oh wow... | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
Expected post count till ban: 4 | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
hahah | ||
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LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
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sashkata
Bulgaria3241 Posts
On December 17 2008 18:58 EvilTeletubby wrote: I would honestly NOT judge the map's balance from this game, Leta played much better than bestgod did.  Its way too early to judge. At least for pvt, I dont know about pvz. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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KreaGata
United States1702 Posts
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ZhenMiChan
Netherlands1181 Posts
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SaveYourSavior
United States1071 Posts
good luck to both, both really deserve to advance (not bestgod) | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
The map is Medusa. Leta at 3 Bestgod at 10 | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
lolumad http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=47399927 | ||
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
marine comes out to chase probe away from the scv, factory almost done, Leta's main is walled off at the choke by rax/depot, fact add-on making now. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
siege mode done, chasing goons out of nat stream freezing, argh... | ||
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
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Konni
Germany3044 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
Stream frozen AGAIN | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
stream really lagging.... | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
go win hack more, or host some more fake-money epic fail tournaments. nobody wants you here gaying up the live threads and stacking up post count. | ||
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
Leta's mucking around in Bestgod's base with double dropships, destroying probes. Bestgod's trying to defend using a shuttle and I think DTs. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
On December 17 2008 19:14 OneOther wrote: EleanorRIgby: go win hack more, or host some more fake-money epic fail tournaments. nobody wants you here gaying up the live threads and stacking up post count. i believe you were the one that started shit, you BM ignorant twit. | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7229 Posts
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6639 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On December 17 2008 19:16 EleanorRIgby wrote: i believe you were the one that started shit, you BM ignorant twit. i would have taken insult to that back in middle school. and no, i didn't. | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On December 17 2008 19:16 EleanorRIgby wrote: i believe you were the one that started shit, you BM ignorant twit. I really dunno how you expect to keep badmouthing TL staff and expect to stay un-Chilled.... gl though. | ||
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OSWater
United States1343 Posts
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
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NovaTheFeared
United States7229 Posts
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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machinebloodprogram
United States245 Posts
On December 17 2008 19:17 OSWater wrote: is there another stream available? Corinthos always pulls through with amazing streams, but tonight it's acting all willy nilly http://www.yaoyuan.com/live.php | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
he doesn't mind falling behind early, even mid. but his late game game-sense is superb. the longer this game goes, the more likely leta wins. same rule applies if Leta goes against Sea too | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On December 17 2008 18:58 EleanorRIgby wrote: lol at the protoss already crying after 1 game lol seriously. After the last year I don't know how they can complain with what Zerg has been getting. And dont think I forgot about fucking Paradox. | ||
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
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NovaTheFeared
United States7229 Posts
4 base to 3. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On December 17 2008 19:19 Ace wrote: lol seriously. After the last year I don't know how they can complain with what Zerg has been getting. And dont think I forgot about fucking Paradox. shhhh now's not the time to agree with eleanorigby; he/she is about to get banned | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
slick double timing, leta sends a second dropship at the same time to bestgods nat and drops a tank, kills a good bit of probes... arbiter out now | ||
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
Better than nothing though :S | ||
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Solinren
United States2653 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
also saying that if this coems down to a center fight toss can't win this | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
arbiter going into leta's main!! | ||
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Solinren
United States2653 Posts
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
ANOTHER RECALL into the new 6 oclock base, this one is hurting ! | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7229 Posts
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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Elsi
United Kingdom8173 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
Leta moving in and kills the entire force with few losses, but now best god is re-containing him in the 6 expo, moving in now and killing the T army, but tanks push P back Leta sends out a ctrl group of vults to mine outside of P's nat, causing a good bit of damage before being driven away | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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Zinbiel
Sweden878 Posts
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Solinren
United States2653 Posts
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
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Solinren
United States2653 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
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Solinren
United States2653 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
What the hell has BestGod been doing this whole time | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
leta moves out, HUGE CLASH IN THE MIDDLE players trade armies, many tanks/vults/goons/zealots die before bestgod backs out, leta still pushing forward with a much smaller army now | ||
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
That was terrible. | ||
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Solinren
United States2653 Posts
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machinebloodprogram
United States245 Posts
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NovaTheFeared
United States7229 Posts
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Corinthos
Canada1842 Posts
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
Leta now attacking 9, bestgod moving in behind him! Arbiter EMPed, but it doesn't matter, bestgod rapes leta's army there The nexus did fall though Leta has 6 mining again now | ||
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
BestGod: 2 mining bases | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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Solinren
United States2653 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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Solinren
United States2653 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
Leta with no income or army GG's | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7229 Posts
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6639 Posts
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
BestGod played less than decently T__T | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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Roxen000
1226 Posts
On December 17 2008 19:31 Corinthos wrote: should be fixed Thanks! | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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NovaTheFeared
United States7229 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
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OSWater
United States1343 Posts
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KreaGata
United States1702 Posts
You've still got this Leta. | ||
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Solinren
United States2653 Posts
On December 17 2008 19:34 d_so wrote: how tall do you think leta is. 5 2? 5 4? Look on OGN's website | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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OSWater
United States1343 Posts
i dunno wtf yall are talking about | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
you know who's strangely tall? frozean. guy looks like a lil bitch but he's tall. it's weird | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
Leta at 5 in red, Bestgod at 1 in green. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
bestgod upper right, leta lower right and thanks Corinthos! | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
And thanks Corinthos, you're amazing. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
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Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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Solinren
United States2653 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
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Fwmeh
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KreaGata
United States1702 Posts
On December 17 2008 19:39 EvilTeletubby wrote: oov is about 6'2 iirc, I remember him being 1 inch shorter than me you are a tall bloke. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
Leta again with 1 fact addon spinning, 2nd is getting a vult | ||
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Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
Old school builds ftw | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
bestgod flying shuttle around letas base looking for weak spots but there are none WOW he carelessly loses both of his DTs! | ||
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United States4054 Posts
On December 17 2008 19:43 benjammin wrote: bestgod cancels nexus! that was amazing maneuvering by leta to cause that. bestgod has island, while leta takes his nat and is probably ahead. | ||
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Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
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SaveYourSavior
United States1071 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
that was his best chance to get back into it I think... if leta re-establishes the contain this is over | ||
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DURRHURRDERP
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
aaaaaand bestgod flies the shuttle into some turrets for no reason | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
Leta moving into best god's nat, bestgod tries to defend, fails miserably... bestgod loses everything I think t his is GG soon | ||
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United States12546 Posts
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United States2728 Posts
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China3370 Posts
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mmgoose
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On December 17 2008 19:51 d_so wrote: OK. LETA VS SEA FOR TITLE OF #2/#3 TERRAN. and who's no. 1? | ||
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OSWater
United States1343 Posts
In the nicest way possible, of course. | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
He is 1-0 vs Sea He is 8-2 in his last 10 against Terran, and has won his last 4. | ||
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Essence
165 Posts
When even the observer glitch won't save you after you horribly FAILed at DT cheese. | ||
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
Only because I want my liquibet points D: | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
On December 17 2008 19:51 d_so wrote: OK. LETA VS SEA FOR TITLE OF #2/#3 TERRAN. nice troll | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On December 17 2008 19:53 motbob wrote: Leta will win this match. He is 1-0 vs Sea He is 8-2 in his last 10 against Terran, and has won his last 4. sea isn't exactly a slouch tvt though. i'm rooting for leta but either way it should be a good series. | ||
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United States1196 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
On December 17 2008 19:51 d_so wrote: OK. LETA VS SEA FOR TITLE OF #2/#3 TERRAN. Erm, you mean #3/#4 | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
1 fac 1 star build, late expansions. cloaked wraith harass --> dropships, harassing any expansions. slowly controls the map with air/dropship advantage and reaches +2 and +3 faster... then wins. i wonder if sea is prepared for the wraiths | ||
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
Flash and FBH are clearly better, and Mind is definitely not worse. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
I'd say FBH and Mind should both be above them. Since this isn't OSL proper yet, Sea shouldn't be choking just yet and will show off his true skills. I'm hoping BC war. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
fbh #2? i dono man. whatever. point being there's been a lot of speculation about both leta and sea as potential numer 2 terrans, and now we get too see them face off | ||
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United States1343 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
On December 17 2008 19:11 G.s)NarutO wrote: Thank you for live reports EvilTeletubby :D On December 17 2008 19:12 Konni wrote: Yes thank you Very welcome | ||
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Piste
6180 Posts
edit: nvm. pretty sure there is edit2: lol not yet! i'm stupid | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On December 17 2008 19:57 Tianx wrote: Flash and FBH are clearly better, and Mind is definitely not worse. Leta holds best win/loss record in proleague right now. leta doesn't get much of the spotlight but watching his proleague games this season and last season's playoffs, he needs more attention as a top terran | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
EDIT: oh jesus he's +10 oO scary | ||
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Korea (South)3262 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On December 17 2008 20:02 Plexa wrote: i assume you mean for a terran player d_so? is it just for terran? i heard from the announcers a few days ago that he was #1 overall | ||
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LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
On December 17 2008 19:57 baubo wrote: I'd say FBH and Mind should both be above them. Since this isn't OSL proper yet, Sea shouldn't be choking just yet and will show off his true skills. I'm hoping BC war. no i hate bc/bc tvt. lets get some mass 6-7 dropship action with someone dying before it gets to the BC stage. | ||
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United States2728 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
Flash is a solid #1, FBH is a pretty solid #2 IMO. And yes, Mind is also currently above leta/sea. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
On December 17 2008 20:03 benjammin wrote: please for the love of god do not choke again yumbo his name is bosung, family name is yum | ||
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
Also yes, Leta has the best record, edging out both Best and Flash by one. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On December 17 2008 20:03 EvilTeletubby wrote: Hum i disagree, id be much happier with my chips all-in on Leta as opposed to mind or FBH. Flash is #1 though imoHaha, I was kind of joking... neither sea nor leta are anywhere close to being even that high. Flash is a solid #1, FBH is a pretty solid #2 IMO. And yes, Mind is also currently above leta/sea. | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
i know, i just think yumbo sounds cool | ||
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On December 17 2008 20:01 d_so wrote: Leta holds best win/loss record in proleague right now. leta doesn't get much of the spotlight but watching his proleague games this season and last season's playoffs, he needs more attention as a top terran Best win/loss record by playing on basically 2 maps. He has not shown to win on anything but terran-favored maps which he's acustomed to. Not saying he's not good, just that he's unknown. | ||
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United States2728 Posts
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United States1689 Posts
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LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
On December 17 2008 20:05 Plexa wrote: hey LID8 what did the scouting report say?? it was actually really long, like 4 or 5 paragraphs of text since they have a blurb from various reporters/esports insiders i didn't really catch all of it, but the gist is: yum bo sung is a very strong player with no weak matchups although not quite the proleague star he used to be, he is still very consistent for some reason does not do so well in individual leagues it is very important for his career to advance past the Ro16 this starleague etc | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On December 17 2008 20:05 baubo wrote: Best win/loss record by playing on basically 2 maps. He has not shown to win on anything but terran-favored maps which he's acustomed to. Not saying he's not good, just that he's unknown. well, he's playing on terran favored maps verses other terrans. and he's owning that matchup in proleague... and Sea is a terran. so we'll see yeah? also, yeah luxury is slumping this season but i have never seen a two star wraith rape a zerg as bad as Leta crushed Luxury on Destination | ||
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LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
On December 17 2008 20:07 d_so wrote: i would say lomo vs kwanro was a much bigger rapewell, he's playing on terran favored maps verses other terrans. and he's owning that matchup in proleague... and Sea is a terran. so we'll see yeah? also, yeah luxury is slumping this season but i have never seen a two star wraith rape a zerg as bad as Leta crushed Luxury on Destination | ||
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Canada1842 Posts
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hacpee
United States752 Posts
On December 17 2008 20:08 d_so wrote: and stream DOWN fuk i guess i gotta write my essay Hold that thought. | ||
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Korea (South)525 Posts
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OSWater
United States1343 Posts
thanks corinthos! | ||
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KreaGata
United States1702 Posts
On December 17 2008 20:08 LosingID8 wrote: i would say lomo vs kwanro was a much bigger rape Agreed. That game IMO is the quintessential two port rape. | ||
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Canada6180 Posts
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
On December 17 2008 20:05 baubo wrote: Best win/loss record by playing on basically 2 maps. He has not shown to win on anything but terran-favored maps which he's acustomed to. Not saying he's not good, just that he's unknown. Further, if you look at his schedule it's very soft. The only in-form top player he's faced is Best, to whom he lost. This is more a testament to the OGN's coaches than a mark against him, though: If you watch his aggressive, interesting, and creative play you can't help but feel he's going places. He's good, but untested. Tonight should be awesome. | ||
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Korea (South)3262 Posts
On December 17 2008 20:08 LosingID8 wrote: i would say lomo vs kwanro was a much bigger rape yeah but that's so long ago~ if anything, leta deserves at least a fraction of the attention lomo got for that game... both koreans and foreigners were popping off about lomo's "awesome wraith control", but what has leta gotten attention wise? | ||
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United States2728 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
On December 17 2008 20:09 Corinthos wrote: back up <3 | ||
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FaCE_1
Canada6180 Posts
On December 17 2008 20:11 benjammin wrote: any of the people doing LR know much about TvT? i am basically clueless other than more dudes > less dudes its a good start :D # of dropship and gaz expand is good to know :o | ||
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LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
On December 17 2008 20:11 d_so wrote: yeah but that's so long ago~ if anything, leta deserves at least a fraction of the attention lomo got for that game... both koreans and foreigners were popping off about lomo's "awesome wraith control", but what has leta gotten attention wise? lol what, "so long ago"? you have a very strange perception of time and lomo got attention for it because he is quite possibly the first progamer to show that kind of wraith control on a televise game | ||
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United States3329 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
rofl cameraman is relentless. standard play, no 14 cc or nething so far | ||
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
Leta red at 6, Sea blue at 2. | ||
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Lol @ the New Zealand guys. | ||
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United States245 Posts
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sea is facport | ||
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Korea (South)3262 Posts
sea scouts the double fac | ||
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United Kingdom8173 Posts
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
AND IT GETS IN LOL first tank out and sea sees the double fac and a nice look inside leta's base leta moving out with vult/tank/2rines sea has 2rine/tank and wriaths with cloak coming armory going up for leta | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
cloak researching for sea, armory going down for leta leta moving out with tank/vult/2marines towards sea's base, sea holding ramp with 2 tanks and a couple rines, wraith out! | ||
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GTR
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game which shot leta into stardom | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
first wraith out for sea - it goes straight for leta's main oh leta is walling off his natural with academy/depo wraith harassing scvs and sea is massing up tanks while leta is mining outside seas ramp wraith has like 2 kills, will probbaly get a third | ||
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
goliath out - sea cloaks and keeps harassing CC started for leta at his natural Leta may lose a tank to wraith fire.... sea's CC is almost finished but needs to float down OH WTF SEA MISMICROS AND ALMOST LOSES A WRIATHHH leta has contorl of the high grounf outside seas natural and is buildling turrets oh shizzzz | ||
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mmgoose
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On December 17 2008 20:14 BanZu wrote: So... what's up with Sea and his sweaty hands? i'd sweat too if i were up against leta, then again he might have hyperhydrosis or ocd. | ||
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United States2728 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
sea pushes out with SCV/Tank break and.... Letas contain stands!!!! baddddd for sea! | ||
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United States2653 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
its just that my stream seems to be faster than most peoples hahaGame has settled down - leta going around the back with a tank but wriath see it and end the backstab attempt | ||
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United States2728 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On December 17 2008 20:19 motbob wrote: Turns out going wraiths on this map will get you contained in a heartbeat. It looks like this map is going to focus very much on contains, much like RoTK did. yeah that high ground is key in front of the nat. dropship out for sea leta needs som turrets | ||
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United States1196 Posts
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
ohhh sick leta seiges sea's natural from way behind, not too much dmg though | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6639 Posts
On December 17 2008 20:26 motbob wrote: SMOOTH by Leta, is there a way Sea can win now? I'd be surprised. | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
i keep getting flood control warning ;_; | ||
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Elsi
United Kingdom8173 Posts
supply now 106 Leta 67 Sea | ||
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United States1196 Posts
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United States2728 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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hymn
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
Sea, however, looks unimpressed. | ||
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United States752 Posts
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United States1343 Posts
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
On December 17 2008 20:29 OSWater wrote: Wow, I really dislike Leta's play style. I can't put my finger on it, it just annoys me when I watch. haha Really? His mechanics are really clean and he's ultra-aggressive, often creatively destroying his opponents. I find it refreshing from greedy macro play. And seriously, how could you not love those SCV bombs. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 17 2008 20:32 OSWater wrote: I dunno, it's like..he moves his units all the way to someone's base and just parks there the entire game. Yeah it works, but I would really like to see him just hang his balls out there and do something fun to watch, haha. Yeah, his style works and hes a good player, but he's just not that entertaining for me. :p umm...no. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On December 17 2008 20:32 OSWater wrote: I dunno, it's like..he moves his units all the way to someone's base and just parks there the entire game. Yeah it works, but I would really like to see him just hang his balls out there and do something fun to watch, haha. Yeah, his style works and hes a good player, but he's just not that entertaining for me. :p there's some truth in this. ive noticed that leta will position his tanks right at range of an opposing base but won't actually be in attacking range. he'll instead just be an inch or so off, or maybe in range of the Refinery instead of the CC.. it leaves the opposing player in a really UNcomfortable position. they usually overreact to it like Sea did here when he first pushed out his scvs to break the nat contain | ||
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FaCE_1
Canada6180 Posts
And yeah.. this guys is gold points ! ez pick but I think most of ppl have him :~\ | ||
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Fwmeh
1286 Posts
I actually love watching him play, especially TvP. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
imo booth girl quality for this OSL is wayyy lower than past seasons | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
On December 17 2008 20:35 Plexa wrote: oh wow imo booth girl quality for this OSL is wayyy lower than past seasons AGREE | ||
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Mikilatov
United States3897 Posts
On December 17 2008 20:35 Plexa wrote: oh wow imo booth girl quality for this OSL is wayyy lower than past seasons Apparently they don't have a make-up crew for the players, either, haha. | ||
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NahLGaE
Korea (South)523 Posts
On December 17 2008 20:35 Plexa wrote: oh wow imo booth girl quality for this OSL is wayyy lower than past seasons lol ya omg wtf is wrong with the one in leta's booth? geeeez ;d that'd be morally defeating if i was leta ;o | ||
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
On December 17 2008 20:36 Mikilatov wrote: Apparently they don't have a make-up crew for the players, either, haha. I hope this changes when they get into the OSL proper. Everyone looks pretty terrible, tbh. | ||
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Finland33997 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On December 17 2008 20:35 Plexa wrote: oh wow imo booth girl quality for this OSL is wayyy lower than past seasons i think it's the same girl from before but she just got fatter. | ||
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
On December 17 2008 20:32 OSWater wrote: I dunno, it's like..he moves his units all the way to someone's base and just parks there the entire game. Yeah it works, but I would really like to see him just hang his balls out there and do something fun to watch, haha. Yeah, his style works and hes a good player, but he's just not that entertaining for me. :p agreed leta style is normally taking map control with agresion and wait to a break fail while getting income advantage. Once this guy takes an advantage unit position wise he wont trade it back keeping the attack. | ||
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On December 17 2008 20:35 Plexa wrote: oh wow imo booth girl quality for this OSL is wayyy lower than past seasons Economic crisis is affecting booth-girl budget apparently | ||
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On December 17 2008 20:38 OSWater wrote: lol either you guys are overreacting on the booth girl situation, or i really need to get laid. -_- They're not bad, just not as good as normal. =P | ||
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On December 17 2008 20:38 OSWater wrote: lol either you guys are overreacting on the booth girl situation, or i really need to get laid. -_- a little bit from column a, a little bit from column b | ||
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On December 17 2008 20:38 EvilTeletubby wrote: Economic crisis is affecting booth-girl budget apparently Whoa, did you guys see the one in Leta's booth? You must be joking :O Man, Sea looks really downed :[ | ||
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On December 17 2008 20:35 Plexa wrote: oh wow imo booth girl quality for this OSL is wayyy lower than past seasons You should write a TLFE about this (complete with pics obv.) "A decade of booth girls, Dec 1998 - Dec 2008" Could be very educational, like Empyrean's recent 5K post. | ||
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On December 17 2008 20:39 Dromar wrote: You should write a TLFE about this (complete with pics obv.) "A decade of booth girls, Dec 1998 - Dec 2008" Could be very educational, like Empyrean's recent 5K post. Hahaha, this. | ||
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On December 17 2008 20:41 Disarray wrote: is it just me or does Leta look like.... the child of Gorush + NaDa ? Holy shit.... | ||
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On December 17 2008 20:39 Dromar wrote: You should write a TLFE about this (complete with pics obv.) "A decade of booth girls, Dec 1998 - Dec 2008" Could be very educational, like Empyrean's recent 5K post. lol +1 agreed ahah on another note, osl intros have been kinda falling off since the epic ever and daum starleage ops =\ | ||
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On December 17 2008 20:41 Disarray wrote: is it just me or does Leta look like.... the child of Gorush + NaDa ? Just like maGma looks like a child of a zergling and iloveoov? | ||
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On December 17 2008 20:39 BanZu wrote: Whoa, did you guys see the one in Leta's booth? You must be joking :O Man, Sea looks really downed :[ ![[image loading]](/staff/Plexa/Batoo_Round_1/vlcsnap359422.jpg) wat? | ||
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On December 17 2008 20:44 Plexa wrote: roflll she looks like Shine haha LOL omg thats a bit harsh >< her chin isnt long enough... >> | ||
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holy shit yes ? or holy shit no ? | ||
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Leta raxing at his choke, sea raxing at the side of his main | ||
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why so serious? | ||
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This reminds me of a recent blog about such things.... =P | ||
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stream choppy leta red, sea purple sea 11, leta 3 | ||
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gets 1 marine kill before dying | ||
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Anyways, Sea has his nat operation, Leta is floating CC to nat as wel speak, 2 fact and armory done for each | ||
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sea going up to 4 fac sea retreated and setting up a tank line, leta trying to go around the edge - success! Leta has good position leta kills off some tanks then goes home... sea finishes of the temples OH WTF SEA LOST SOME TANKS CARELESSLY -.- | ||
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sea looks to be in the better position and his push.. OMG HIS PUSH GOT DEFENDED EZ o.O sea has a 10 supply lead, but thats veryyyy quickly being narrowed, infact leta has the lead atm Sea taking 1 now Leta has the better tank position atm | ||
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Sea expanding to 12 | ||
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80 vs 66 supply atm | ||
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On December 17 2008 20:52 benjammin wrote: i *think* sea is ahead here no way, unless this 3rd sneak base of his works out | ||
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Sea isn't good...!! No idea why he's in the top 10 of power rank! Biased!!!! | ||
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Leta turreting up his mineral only (no CC there though) Sea getting raped by leta's control/position =/ | ||
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Sea has his first dship out, but the ammount of turrets leta has should render them basically useless 120 supply v 100 atm leta taking the 6 main leta pushes into sea with gollies and gains some ground | ||
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SCV bombs by Sea! | ||
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Sea making a really good attempt at pushing, but honestly, he just got raped 131 supply vs 85 now -.-; | ||
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On December 17 2008 20:57 NahLGaE wrote: what? Leta has a huuuuuuuuuugeeeeeeeeee lead atmhm leta has a slight advantage but sea can sit there and defend for a bit and not be that bad off. as the commentators just said both need to start using dropships | ||
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On December 17 2008 20:54 Elsi wrote: LEta now 20 supply ahead lol^^ Sea isn't good...!! No idea why he's in the top 10 of power rank! Biased!!!! No, Sea is good, he is really good. It is just that Leta is phenomenal and people are only starting to recognize it. | ||
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a product of good coaching | ||
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Leta is running away with this game, he's taking the 6 natural now as well t.t 5gas vs 3gas is rape -.-; sea has two dships out but can't do anything with them.. 4 dropships from leta | ||
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Anyone have guesses for what Sea was saying at the end there? | ||
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Kickass for Leta, though. | ||
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On December 17 2008 20:58 malongo wrote: stoped watching Leta is good, but damn starcraft is so boring when only one side tries to push never even thought of leta's playstyle that way. yeah, he sets up and waits for the other to push, then counters | ||
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On December 17 2008 20:58 BanZu wrote: What is up with Sea's TvT mechanics? They just don't seem to cut it He destroyed Iris in a pretty epic match. | ||
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i dont think i've seen sea this pissed before But hey, Leta 2-1 2-0 as expected seriously steve, sea is no where near PR material atm | ||
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On December 17 2008 20:59 BanZu wrote: GG from Sea Anyone have guesses for what Sea was saying at the end there? Sea: Am I retarded? I'll never win a starleague... | ||
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On December 17 2008 21:00 Zinbiel wrote: That did very much look like high-level chess to me. Leta content to slowly improve his position and as soon as Sea tried to bust it open he got punished severely. i agree with this. | ||
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On December 17 2008 21:00 Plexa wrote: Bosung looks really disappointed with that game and rightly so =/ i dont think i've seen sea this pissed before But hey, Leta 2-1 2-0 as expected seriously steve, sea is no where near PR material atm i had 2 giant gripes with this last PR, and that was one of them | ||
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It simply means that your opponent was close in skill level. These two rapes clearly show that Leta was the far supeiror player | ||
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Is this Royal Road for him, btw? | ||
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On December 17 2008 21:00 Plexa wrote: Bosung looks really disappointed with that game and rightly so =/ i dont think i've seen sea this pissed before But hey, Leta 2-1 2-0 as expected seriously steve, sea is no where near PR material atm you are wrong you are someone who doesn't understand how high above the current standard of TvZ his game against Jaedong was, and how masterful his game against Iris was Sea's spot on December's rank is completely justified, Leta certainly hasn't shown himself capable of games at that level. Yes, this series changes things. The outcome is not predetermined and before this series Sea's placement was correct. He made many, many mistakes in those two games that he really should not be making. | ||
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On December 17 2008 21:01 Elsi wrote: Sea was raped badly in that 2nd game T_T Well - I didn't see it, but it seems like he was just too aggresive, and Leta just has absolutely fantastic defense ability. That does seem to be how he wins - defense and heavy macro. Then he inches forward. I'd like to see how he does against Bisu, who is like playing on e8 different parts of the map at once. | ||
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Tianx
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On December 17 2008 21:01 d_so wrote: That did very much look like high-level chess to me. Leta content to slowly improve his position and as soon as Sea tried to bust it open he got punished severely. This. Leta was at no point behind in either game, from start to finish. He secured a small, early advantage and nursed it patiently to the end. The last time I played an expert at chess was fairly similar - I just sort of felt my position falling apart and couldn't do anything whatsoever. It's incredibly demoralizing and Sea just quietly gg'ing probably is representative of how he was feeling. | ||
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On December 17 2008 21:00 Roxen000 wrote: I had such high hopes for Sea this OSL =/// Like in every previous OSL... | ||
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On December 17 2008 21:05 Tianx wrote: This. Leta was at no point behind in either game, from start to finish. He secured a small, early advantage and nursed it patiently to the end. The last time I played an expert at chess was fairly similar - I just sort of felt my position falling apart and couldn't do anything whatsoever. It's incredibly demoralizing and Sea just quietly gg'ing probably is representative of how he was feeling. yeah it's like he took a one pawn advantage and rode it all the way to victory | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
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On December 17 2008 21:07 d_so wrote: yeah it's like he took a one pawn advantage and rode it all the way to victory i think about half the active roster of pro terran players would have won those two games given the same build orders - sea played reaaaaaaaally bad god he threw so many scvs away on terrible break attempts | ||
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On December 17 2008 21:04 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Steve, i trust you've seen Savior vs Sea on Andromeda right? That game was basically the same as the Jaedong game, except sea made one or two more mistakes and ended up losing from an advantage. Sea managed to hold and on win vs Jaedong - it was an impressive game! However, having a very strong TvZ shouldn't be all you need to get #10 on PR. Leta's achievements across the past month and bit (like his 14-4 record in proleauge) far outweigh Sea's one awesome game. you are wrong you are someone who doesn't understand how high above the current standard of TvZ his game against Jaedong was, and how masterful his game against Iris was Sea's spot on December's rank is completely justified, Leta certainly hasn't shown himself capable of games at that level. Yes, this series changes things. The outcome is not predetermined and before this series Sea's placement was correct. He made many, many mistakes in those two games that he really should not be making. Oh yea, i hope you haven't forgotten about Sea vs EffOrt yet either, that wasn't a pretty game. | ||
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Of cus proleague carries a lil more weight than practice games but when it comes down to ranking individual players, nothing factors in more than individual league performance imo... And in that department, Sea certainly never was and is not top 10 material. | ||
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On December 17 2008 21:08 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: i think about half the active roster of pro terran players would have won those two games given the same build orders - sea played reaaaaaaaally bad god he threw so many scvs away on terrible break attempts http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/?tabulator_search=leta&auto_redirect=1 point: maybe sea played bad but leta's been raping T's left and right all season. An argument can be made that he forced sea to play bad, ie force terrible break attempts | ||
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On December 17 2008 21:08 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: i think about half the active roster of pro terran players would have won those two games given the same build orders - sea played reaaaaaaaally bad god he threw so many scvs away on terrible break attempts What would you have recommended in Sea's position halfway through? Going for a big timing push right before Leta's 4th kicked in? | ||
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On December 17 2008 21:09 Plexa wrote: Steve, i trust you've seen Savior vs Sea on Andromeda right? That game was basically the same as the Jaedong game, except sea made one or two more mistakes and ended up losing from an advantage. Sea managed to hold and on win vs Jaedong - it was an impressive game! However, having a very strong TvZ shouldn't be all you need to get #10 on PR. Leta's achievements across the past month and bit (like his 14-4 record in proleauge) far outweigh Sea's one awesome game. Oh yea, i hope you haven't forgotten about Sea vs EffOrt yet either, that wasn't a pretty game. especially when FBH predated the BC leetness against jaedong a week before Sea | ||
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In the second game, Sea had a nice BO advantage over Leta with his faster expansion. He also got 2 more factories up earlier. Still, Leta controlled and positions his tanks very well to snipe a lot of Sea's units. Slowly, Sea lost a bunch of men and was being pushed back until he realized there's no way he can win. Intelligent, impressive play by Leta. | ||
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On December 17 2008 21:10 d_so wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/?tabulator_search=leta&auto_redirect=1 Wowww look at those streaks. I almost always expect Leta to win in PL matches but I didn't realize he'd been quite this dominant. | ||
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On December 17 2008 21:07 d_so wrote: yeah it's like he took a one pawn advantage and rode it all the way to victory You don't even need a pawn. One pawn advantage is huge, it's basically an automatically won game. He got a slight positional advantage in the opening, increased it in the midgame, and in the end his opponent's position was cramped and he had no room to manouver, in which case some chess players can forfeit the match even if the material is similiar. If you want to compare Leta to a chess palyer, I'd consider Anatoli Karpov to be the most accurate comparsion. | ||
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On December 17 2008 21:16 Shikyo wrote: You don't even need a pawn. One pawn advantage is huge, it's basically an automatically won game. He got a slight positional advantage in the opening, increased it in the midgame, and in the end his opponent's position was cramped and he had no room to manouver, in which case some chess players can forfeit the match even if the material is similiar. If you want to compare Leta to a chess palyer, I'd consider Anatoli Karpov to be the most accurate comparsion. that's why chess sucks/is boring. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
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On December 17 2008 21:11 Tianx wrote: What would you have recommended in Sea's position halfway through? Going for a big timing push right before Leta's 4th kicked in? basically any offensive gesture besides what he chose taking his in-base third and sieging the turrets blocking him in from 9 would have been a great help, from there he could have utilized dropships properly. With the game essentially dead-even and Leta's slow, methodical style, Sea's aggressiveness was the proper mindset but his execution was god-awful. you just can't lose so many tanks and scvs so carelessly against someone who plays TvT like Leta sea's biggest mistake that game was letting Leta get such a good position while his own tank number was superior right at the beginning - retreating back to his own temple gave up a significant chunk of real estate that he failed over and over again to get back | ||
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On December 17 2008 21:19 Shikyo wrote: Nope, chess is awesome. You just need to understand it. And I prefer players like Kasparov anyway. (UpMagic?) I'd compare Leta to Capablanca =O Very methodical and patient when he know he can win that way. | ||
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On December 17 2008 21:22 Fwmeh wrote: I'd compare Leta to Capablanca =O Very methodical and patient when he know he can win that way. Capablanca was a natural talent, a chess genious who got good with almost pure talent. That's Flash to me, not Leta. | ||
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On December 17 2008 21:19 Shikyo wrote: Nope, chess is awesome. You just need to understand it. And I prefer players like Kasparov anyway. (UpMagic?) Chess at the top level is boring, because games tend to end in draws. And the amount of precision required is usually lost for the common people. The one awesome thing Starcraft have over normal "board games" like chess or go is the undiscovered map/fog of war. So neither player has all the information when making their decisions. OTOH, it's also why watchers like us question seemingly stupid decisions by players, since we have maphack. | ||
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Also, I figured out the best word to describe Leta's play: Clean. He was as aggressive as possible while still maintaining safety, not once overextending himself. Every time he pushed, it was an extremely methodical manner. It'll be interesting to see if he can keep his composure against players that fight dirty (Bisu, an in-form July). | ||
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On December 17 2008 21:26 baubo wrote: Chess at the top level is boring, because games tend to end in draws. And the amount of precision required is usually lost for the common people. The one awesome thing Starcraft have over normal "board games" like chess or go is the undiscovered map/fog of war. So neither player has all the information when making their decisions. OTOH, it's also why watchers like us question seemingly stupid decisions by players, since we have maphack. Of course =P But that's when the flashy chess games come in. As in, Morphy's games, or especially Mikhail Tal's, who basically sacrificed in over 50% of his games when other players didn't almost ever. Current chess is pretty boring yeah, minus Kasparov. | ||
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On December 17 2008 21:30 Shikyo wrote: Of course =P But that's when the flashy chess games come in. As in, Morphy's games, or especially Mikhail Tal's, who basically sacrificed in over 50% of his games when other players didn't almost ever. Current chess is pretty boring yeah, minus Kasparov. SO IM RIGHT THANK YOU. 2 hours of positional advantage --> draw = BORING! HAH | ||
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On December 17 2008 21:23 Shikyo wrote: Capablanca was a natural talent, a chess genious who got good with almost pure talent. That's Flash to me, not Leta. Good point. My problem with Flash is that his excellent mechanics often take away from his strategical brilliance (which btw has fluctuated recently) while Leta to my eyes have quite weaker multitasking. Flash can often win through dominating force, Leta almost never does that. For me to give an example, Flash vs Fantasy on Andromeda some time ago. After a somewhat weak start, Flash is suddenly all over Fantasy with beautiful drop play, showing his monstrous multitasking, stomping Fantasy hard. OTOH we have Leta's latest games, all quite passive, Leta not really appearing to be doing much, just gradually solidifying his position. BTW, who would you then concider the Bobby Fischer of SC? | ||
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On December 17 2008 21:09 Plexa wrote: Steve, i trust you've seen Savior vs Sea on Andromeda right? That game was basically the same as the Jaedong game, except sea made one or two more mistakes and ended up losing from an advantage. Sea managed to hold and on win vs Jaedong - it was an impressive game! However, having a very strong TvZ shouldn't be all you need to get #10 on PR. Leta's achievements across the past month and bit (like his 14-4 record in proleauge) far outweigh Sea's one awesome game. Oh yea, i hope you haven't forgotten about Sea vs EffOrt yet either, that wasn't a pretty game. there is a very clear difference between those two games. they might appear similar, but they aren't. Sea's game against Jaedong was wickedly one-sided in a lot of regards, the saving grace was Jaedong's unreal defiler control. Sea's play against Savior was fairly run-of-the-mill in terms of what the better SK style TvZ players can do, but his play against Jaedong was something special - with ease the strongest display of TvZ we've seen in many months. The level of multitasking and game intelligence required to play SK that well is ridiculous, especially considering how strong a performance it was relative to what other top Terrans are currently capable of. Sea vs Jaedong was monumentally important. However, though sea is capable of playing better than any Terran in the world in all three matchups (as he occasionally does), he is incredibly inconsistant. Sea plays phenomenally bad sometimes, tonight is certainly a good example. He makes a ton of mistakes in many of his matches, but when he is really and truly on top of his shit, he is utterly unmatched. Sea also brutally rolled his MSL Survivor group, playing exceedingly well in both games. There is a reason people are always hyped up about Sea. Regardless of what you may assume goes on in my mind, I'm a Sea fan because he is at times the most incredible Terran in the world. Sea vs Jaedong was one of those games. This series against Leta sure as fuck wasn't. But when those games happen with increasing frequency, it's much more important than a solid, textbook Terran doing well in ProLeague. I don't think Sea is this good because he's my favourite player, he's my favourite player because he is this good. However, with this display his consistancy is once again in the spotlight, and unless he massacres MSL with stellar gameplay and Leta crashes and burns, he's off the Rank again. The 10th spot was all that was up for grabs, and in contention were Sea, Leta, and Really. Sea's wins were just plain better, in spite of Leta and Really's better ProLeague season records. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On December 17 2008 21:34 Fwmeh wrote: Good point. My problem with Flash is that his excellent mechanics often take away from his strategical brilliance (which btw has fluctuated recently) while Leta to my eyes have quite weaker multitasking. Flash can often win through dominating force, Leta almost never does that. For me to give an example, Flash vs Fantasy on Andromeda some time ago. After a somewhat weak start, Flash is suddenly all over Fantasy with beautiful drop play, showing his monstrous multitasking, stomping Fantasy hard. OTOH we have Leta's latest games, all quite passive, Leta not really appearing to be doing much, just gradually solidifying his position. BTW, who would you then concider the Bobby Fischer of SC? Bobby Fischer = Boxer. why? Revolutionary strats for the time. Ruy Lopez opening, MnM Micro. Now outdated. would rather win games their own way than play the conventional way. Fischer on his "royal road" had like a 60 percent win rate, which was unheard of in a game filled with draws. He also was unbeatable when white, kinda like how Boxer was unbeatable at tvz. oh and also: fischer gets a lot of fame/recognition for relatively few championship wins, kinda how Boxer gets all the glory even though there are players with more OSL/MSL titles than him hopefully boxer doesnt go crazy | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 17 2008 21:37 d_so wrote: Boxer is Murphy for me. Revolutionized the game and played an entertaining, "low-econ", "cheesy" game.Bobby Fischer = Boxer. why? Revolutionary strats for the time. Ruy Lopez opening, MnM Micro. Now outdated. would rather win games their own way than play the conventional way. Fischer on his "royal road" had like a 60 percent win rate, which was unheard of in a game filled with draws. He also was unbeatable when white, kinda like how Boxer was unbeatable at tvz. oh and also: fischer gets a lot of fame/recognition for relatively few championship wins, kinda how Boxer gets all the glory even though there are players with more OSL/MSL titles than him hopefully boxer doesnt go crazy FakeSteve, I disagree. If some terran is on fire when playing at the top of his game, it is Flash. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10811 Posts
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United States10328 Posts
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JohnnyCash
France244 Posts
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Sadness
Brazil552 Posts
On December 17 2008 23:23 Velr wrote: I don't get and probably never will get the Sea hype... He shows some good games once in a while and tons of terrible games all the time. When did this hype start? | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
i think it started when Sea showed up on TL Attack | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
On December 18 2008 00:03 d_so wrote: i think it started when Sea showed up on TL Attack If you think that, you don't know what you are talking about. There are FE's about him from years back. Or at least one. | ||
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Sadness
Brazil552 Posts
On December 18 2008 01:23 GGQ wrote: If you think that, you don't know what you are talking about. There are FE's about him from years back. Or at least one. Yes It started wayyyyyy before TL Attack | ||
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
On December 18 2008 01:23 GGQ wrote: If you think that, you don't know what you are talking about. There are FE's about him from years back. Or at least one. yeah sadly sea never lived up to his hype. i like this thread, i has progamers = chess grandmasters, its pretty good to read. murphy wasnt cheesy imo, he was just a thinker, a thinker to "end the game as quickly as possible." of course, there werent many murphy games, or am i thinking about morphy? i havent followed chess in awhile so i forget. but anyway. i think flash is one of these new 12-15yr old chess grandmasters nowadays. there was a kid who beat kasparov 2-1 wasnt there? before kasparov retired? something like that. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On December 18 2008 00:03 d_so wrote: i think it started when Sea showed up on TL Attack A couple years ago when he broke into the scene as l'enfant terrible. edit: noob. | ||
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KreaGata
United States1702 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On December 18 2008 03:10 koreasilver wrote: A couple years ago when he broke into the scene as l'enfant terrible. edit: noob. wow i'm wrong about when people decided to overrate sea.i care because ive been on this site for a year and i should have searched for when we decided to fail miserably in prognostications drat! | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Isn't he still the best Proleague player of all time statistically? Yeah.. he is. I think that's more than delivering on hype. Especially since he was the real first kid pro. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On December 18 2008 03:23 SuperJongMan wrote: Why did Sea fail to live up to hype? Isn't he still the best Proleague player of all time statistically? Yeah.. he is. I think that's more than delivering on hype. Especially since he was the real first kid pro. is he really now? i don't mind admitting i'm wrong if you back it up with proof. what do you mean "best" Proleague player? Do you mean best winning percentage? most wins? most ace matches played? most... what? and that's cool that he was the first kid pro. really, no sarcasm. i didnt know that annd dont mind admitting it... i know there are a lot of things i dont know | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
And think about it. If Sea FAILS at individual leagues but still has monster stats, then he must have teared up in proleague to obtain such numbers. He hasn't been doing as well in proleague as he used to, but it doesn't change that he has played extremely well in proleague. | ||
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traced
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Bifur
Russian Federation1208 Posts
Leta, yes | ||
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Lebesgue
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Barbarne
Sweden458 Posts
Finally, this little monster's road to his gold medals has begun. Shin Sang Moon FIGHTING! I've already said it once, but I'll say it again: Leta will royal road this OSL. And BTW, fuck how much I hate medusa in TvP, so insanely boring. | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
noooooo | ||
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GTR
51499 Posts
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
On December 18 2008 03:45 traced wrote: sea is 78-32 (70.9%) in all of the team leagues/events in tlpd jesus. i have to check this | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On December 18 2008 03:45 traced wrote: sea is 78-32 (70.9%) in all of the team leagues/events in tlpd yeah that's nuts. my bad | ||
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KnightOfNi
United States1508 Posts
I'm going to say this now: ROYAL ROAD!!! | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
definetly bittersweet | ||
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