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MayorITC
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Korea (South)798 Posts
November 22 2008 09:50 GMT
#961
Bisu cheesing
Monoxide
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada1190 Posts
November 22 2008 09:50 GMT
#962
lol bisu cheese!!!!
pR0gR4m3R
Profile Joined February 2008
Spain1446 Posts
November 22 2008 09:51 GMT
#963
Bisu cheesing finally??
StarCraft-ESP.com Admin - Spanish StarCraft Community
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
November 22 2008 09:51 GMT
#964
proxy from Bisu! I love this game already.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
November 22 2008 09:51 GMT
#965
he lost to flash cheese in osl group
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43960 Posts
November 22 2008 09:51 GMT
#966
On November 22 2008 18:42 MayorITC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2008 18:37 Kwark wrote:
That game he had a build order advantage, going 13 core against JangBis 17 core. Faster core means faster range. Faster range means huge early game micro advantage which in turn means ramp contain if gate numbers are equal. That means that JangBi has to 2 gate, which he did, which in turn means that Bisu can get away with 1 gate pressure into exp into mass gate.
That small build order advantage can be extrapolated out as far as Bisu's much faster expo. Both players knew this, JangBi going mass goon and trying to break the exp before it had any chance to repay Bisu's investment in it. But Bisu's excellent micro to defend it won the game.

In short, the opening builds gave Bisu an economic advantage which could only be negated if JangBi outmicroed Bisu at a critical time. He couldn't.

Edit: But that doesn't mean luck was involved. Bisu proxied Destination in the semi finals. JangBi was always going to make a zealot to stay safe against any potential cheese and one lone zealot is no threat to a fast core build. Bisu exploited what JangBi knew about him.


Bisu's excellent micro wasn't what saved him against Jangbi's attack at his natural. Jangbi had already his own natural being built when he pushed so there wasn't much unit difference. And cancelling the Nexus and going for an all-in push would have been far too late at that point when Jangbi found out Bisu's quick expansion because Jangbi's expansion was halfway done.

Edit: The main mistake on Jangbi's part that game would have been backing away from the bridges, allowing Bisu to cross over and catch Jangbi's dragoons exposed in front of his zealots. But there was too much of a unit count difference that better positioning probably wouldn't have made a difference.


There was a good 4 dragoon unit difference. JangBi had been pumping from 2 gates for a while where Bisu only had 1. And a small unit difference at the start of a battle becomes a big win at the end because it has an exponential effect. JangBi's attack should have worked. It wasn't allin but if it failed JangBi was left at a considerable disadvantage. It didn't work because Bisu retreated his goons and then used probes to disrupt JangBis advance, meaning each of JangBis dragoons was running into a 4v1. It was very good defensive micro.
I believe JangBi guessed Bisu expanded long before he scouted it simply because that is the way PvPs generally work out. He took the best option available to him, massing a group of dragoons and going for a timing attack while expanding himself. But while that was the best option for him it wasn't enough to put him ahead if the attack failed.
JangBi was simply in a bad situation. His decisions in situation were fine and he had a very good chance of winning if Bisu microed worse.
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
November 22 2008 09:51 GMT
#967
bisu sends out his first probe (like his 6th or 7th probe. and proxies right outside of jangbi's backdoor ramp (or somewhat close to it). bisu dosen't yet know where jangbi is though
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Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
November 22 2008 09:51 GMT
#968
2 gate proxy for bisu, jangbi 1 gates.
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
November 22 2008 09:52 GMT
#969
really really good placement of that proxy, jangbi's prob goes right past it.
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LimitlessSky
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States434 Posts
November 22 2008 09:52 GMT
#970
probes crossed paths
SKT1 Fighting! <3
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
November 22 2008 09:52 GMT
#971
2 gate proxy for bisu (10/12), jangbi's got gate+gas up. bisu's cut probe production, and jangbi misses the proxy gates by literally 4 or 5 tiles
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Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
November 22 2008 09:52 GMT
#972
sc2gg commentating is way ahead of the stream.. Annoying.
morfyy
Profile Joined May 2007
Romania593 Posts
November 22 2008 09:52 GMT
#973
bisu proxy :D 2 gate he he
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
November 22 2008 09:52 GMT
#974
cyber going up for jangbi, he still has no idea where bisu is.
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Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
November 22 2008 09:53 GMT
#975
Holy shit that is a well placed proxy!
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
November 22 2008 09:53 GMT
#976
Core up for Jangbi. Bisu dual gating proxying. Jangbi STILL hasnt found him.
God Bless
Monoxide
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada1190 Posts
November 22 2008 09:53 GMT
#977
ohhh shit!!!!!
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
November 22 2008 09:53 GMT
#978
jangbi pulls probes, bisu brings in his second zeal. Jang's probably got less probes mining than bisu right now. It' all comes down to micro.

bisu's third and fourth zeal come in, bisu's down to 1 zeal and 1 probe inside of jangbi's base
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Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
November 22 2008 09:53 GMT
#979
shield batteries from both players!
Pooshlmer
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1001 Posts
November 22 2008 09:53 GMT
#980
OFFENSIVE SHIELD BATTERY

So baller
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