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hixhix
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
1158 Posts
September 14 2008 17:02 GMT
#101
Will the replays be released ?
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
September 14 2008 17:12 GMT
#102
On September 15 2008 01:43 iG.ClouD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2008 01:35 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
On September 15 2008 01:04 iG.ClouD wrote:
Congratulations to Pomi and Brat_Ok, really impressive results. On a sidenote I'm ashamed the map hacker goes to WCG. Fuck localhost, seriously.


He was actually very humble and apologetic when he was caught (iirc). He also just won a horribly difficult offline WCG bid to world finals.. I think the guy deserves some credit.

If someone told me that 2/3 of the finalists for Russia were going to be Protoss I woulda laughed.. REALLY nice job to pomi/local that is a tough field to clear! Brat_OK will do great too!

I'm not saying he's bad but well I just keep thinking once someone is caught he should be banned from any important event for at least 18 months. What I think doesn't matter anyway but honest players don't get enough value nowadays.


The reason I disagree with that is each hacker is different. Do I think Haypro should have been banned from everything for 18 months? Nope. Will you say this same message after haypro wins Sweden? "Fucking hacker." Probably not! Localhost was banned from everything at that time including TSL (iirc) and he has since then improved himself obviously. Now you can take other gamers who aren't sorry for hacking and continue to make a mockery of the scene... sure, 18months or more would be a good start.
Bifur
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Russian Federation1208 Posts
September 14 2008 17:18 GMT
#103
One year ago I won BRAT_OK
It was 3vs5 game: three pros from the fake-team (fake.BRAT_OK, fake.gOgna and some guy named fake.Neo) against five amateurs (I was among them). The map was Neo Hunters. They managed to kill one member of our team, but we eventually won. After that we played again: there were still three of them, but only four of us And they completely raped us
fanofbest
Profile Joined August 2008
United States145 Posts
September 14 2008 17:26 GMT
#104
Rondo could win. But Rox people made snatch.TT
Best[hyo] ftw
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
September 14 2008 17:34 GMT
#105
sheesh round of 16 = zerg slaying
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-14 18:20:42
September 14 2008 18:18 GMT
#106
On September 15 2008 02:12 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2008 01:43 iG.ClouD wrote:
On September 15 2008 01:35 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
On September 15 2008 01:04 iG.ClouD wrote:
Congratulations to Pomi and Brat_Ok, really impressive results. On a sidenote I'm ashamed the map hacker goes to WCG. Fuck localhost, seriously.


He was actually very humble and apologetic when he was caught (iirc). He also just won a horribly difficult offline WCG bid to world finals.. I think the guy deserves some credit.

If someone told me that 2/3 of the finalists for Russia were going to be Protoss I woulda laughed.. REALLY nice job to pomi/local that is a tough field to clear! Brat_OK will do great too!

I'm not saying he's bad but well I just keep thinking once someone is caught he should be banned from any important event for at least 18 months. What I think doesn't matter anyway but honest players don't get enough value nowadays.


The reason I disagree with that is each hacker is different. Do I think Haypro should have been banned from everything for 18 months? Nope. Will you say this same message after haypro wins Sweden? "Fucking hacker." Probably not! Localhost was banned from everything at that time including TSL (iirc) and he has since then improved himself obviously. Now you can take other gamers who aren't sorry for hacking and continue to make a mockery of the scene... sure, 18months or more would be a good start.

Haypro was punished and he was banned from everything several months and got kicked by ToT. He had his punishment and it was for just one game. Localhost on the other hand just built all his fame maphacking in whole tournaments for a certain period and he doesn't really deserve the right to play at something as big as WCG this early imho.
You said he was very humble and apologetic but it doesn't really matter how you apologize as long as you are guilty of something. Being good at deciding the best way to react once you get caught doesn't lessen the damage you do to the community.
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littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7221 Posts
September 14 2008 18:38 GMT
#107
On September 15 2008 02:02 hixhix wrote:
Will the replays be released ?

http://reps.ru/replays.php?replay=comment&id=11128
Entusman #12
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
September 14 2008 18:43 GMT
#108
On September 15 2008 03:18 iG.ClouD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2008 02:12 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
On September 15 2008 01:43 iG.ClouD wrote:
On September 15 2008 01:35 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
On September 15 2008 01:04 iG.ClouD wrote:
Congratulations to Pomi and Brat_Ok, really impressive results. On a sidenote I'm ashamed the map hacker goes to WCG. Fuck localhost, seriously.


He was actually very humble and apologetic when he was caught (iirc). He also just won a horribly difficult offline WCG bid to world finals.. I think the guy deserves some credit.

If someone told me that 2/3 of the finalists for Russia were going to be Protoss I woulda laughed.. REALLY nice job to pomi/local that is a tough field to clear! Brat_OK will do great too!

I'm not saying he's bad but well I just keep thinking once someone is caught he should be banned from any important event for at least 18 months. What I think doesn't matter anyway but honest players don't get enough value nowadays.


The reason I disagree with that is each hacker is different. Do I think Haypro should have been banned from everything for 18 months? Nope. Will you say this same message after haypro wins Sweden? "Fucking hacker." Probably not! Localhost was banned from everything at that time including TSL (iirc) and he has since then improved himself obviously. Now you can take other gamers who aren't sorry for hacking and continue to make a mockery of the scene... sure, 18months or more would be a good start.

Haypro was punished and he was banned from everything several months and got kicked by ToT. He had his punishment and it was for just one game. Localhost on the other hand just built all his fame maphacking in whole tournaments for a certain period and he doesn't really deserve the right to play at something as big as WCG this early imho.
You said he was very humble and apologetic but it doesn't really matter how you apologize as long as you are guilty of something. Being good at deciding the best way to react once you get caught doesn't lessen the damage you do to the community.


Neither does punishing them after they are caught? We care/do both anyhow because we are human. Nobody can reverse the damage they cause.. but if they can repent and make an honest effort to clean up they deserve our support as well. If we don't distinguish between the hacker that is sorry and the hacker that continues to hack and laugh at us there is no impotice for them to change.

PS: Localhost was banned and punished too. Check Rus_Brain's blogs for more detail but Localhost was removed from RoX, banned from all tourneys and shamed severely. Despite all that he made an honest effort to bounce back all the while taking accountability for his misdeeds.
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
September 14 2008 18:54 GMT
#109
On September 15 2008 03:43 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2008 03:18 iG.ClouD wrote:
On September 15 2008 02:12 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
On September 15 2008 01:43 iG.ClouD wrote:
On September 15 2008 01:35 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
On September 15 2008 01:04 iG.ClouD wrote:
Congratulations to Pomi and Brat_Ok, really impressive results. On a sidenote I'm ashamed the map hacker goes to WCG. Fuck localhost, seriously.


He was actually very humble and apologetic when he was caught (iirc). He also just won a horribly difficult offline WCG bid to world finals.. I think the guy deserves some credit.

If someone told me that 2/3 of the finalists for Russia were going to be Protoss I woulda laughed.. REALLY nice job to pomi/local that is a tough field to clear! Brat_OK will do great too!

I'm not saying he's bad but well I just keep thinking once someone is caught he should be banned from any important event for at least 18 months. What I think doesn't matter anyway but honest players don't get enough value nowadays.


The reason I disagree with that is each hacker is different. Do I think Haypro should have been banned from everything for 18 months? Nope. Will you say this same message after haypro wins Sweden? "Fucking hacker." Probably not! Localhost was banned from everything at that time including TSL (iirc) and he has since then improved himself obviously. Now you can take other gamers who aren't sorry for hacking and continue to make a mockery of the scene... sure, 18months or more would be a good start.

Haypro was punished and he was banned from everything several months and got kicked by ToT. He had his punishment and it was for just one game. Localhost on the other hand just built all his fame maphacking in whole tournaments for a certain period and he doesn't really deserve the right to play at something as big as WCG this early imho.
You said he was very humble and apologetic but it doesn't really matter how you apologize as long as you are guilty of something. Being good at deciding the best way to react once you get caught doesn't lessen the damage you do to the community.


Neither does punishing them after they are caught? We care/do both anyhow because we are human. Nobody can reverse the damage they cause.. but if they can repent and make an honest effort to clean up they deserve our support as well. If we don't distinguish between the hacker that is sorry and the hacker that continues to hack and laugh at us there is no impotice for them to change.

PS: Localhost was banned and punished too. Check Rus_Brain's blogs for more detail but Localhost was removed from RoX, banned from all tourneys and shamed severely. Despite all that he made an honest effort to bounce back all the while taking accountability for his misdeeds.

As I said I think his punishment was not long enough for what he has done. If you want to get rid of maphackers you need to be way stricter than now once they are caught, so they know that if they do it again they risk to be erased by the whole community and every tournament for more than a year. This does not affect the ones caught but also the upcoming players who are tempted by programs meant for cheating.
This being said I do strongly agree with you on the fact that people who learn the lesson should be able to be reintegrated fastly. But well you don't really have anything over the internet to discern them from persistent and dishonest cheaters. If you once maphacked and truly understand your mistakes of course this kind of punishment is harsher in comparison to those guys, but it is meant to eradicate the problem at the root.
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Culture
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada488 Posts
September 14 2008 18:57 GMT
#110
If I have time I'll try to translate the interview --- but the interviewer is asking question about who trained how much, etc, not about specific SC things.

Rox had a boot camp before WCG.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
September 14 2008 19:01 GMT
#111
Cloud the reality you should probably recognize by now is there is no possible way to "eradicate hackers." They are as apart of this game as legit players are unfortunately. That being said there is a way to discern over the internet between the honest players that want to change and the continual hackers. If they are sincere and apologize and make amends they are for real. If they pretend to do as much (Lastshadow) and then go back on that word they will never get the leniency again. Or if they just laugh about it and continue to hack (dino) they never get the leniency offered the player in option 1. Sure it's a trial by error but it is the best answer imo. Had he not been allowed to go to WCG Rus finals Russia would not be sending it's best players.. after all Localhost bested that field offline without hacks.. nobody can take that away from him not you or anyone. So in the world we live in I have a guy who hacked, was sorry for it and was punished (not enough to satiate you evidently) and then came back clean and beat a bunch of top gamers offline.. congrats to him.
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
September 14 2008 19:12 GMT
#112
On September 15 2008 04:01 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Cloud the reality you should probably recognize by now is there is no possible way to "eradicate hackers."

I guess this is the main point we do have a different opinion about :p
I'm very concerned about not having cheaters in leagues, tournaments and all the stuff that matters anything in this game. Of course casual players will keep maphacking and I don't even want to blame them since it's their way to spend time on this game as long as they don't gain anything from that. But I'm quite sure the community and tournaments organizators can do much more to solve this problem. We have plenty of room to improve our measures against maphackers and I kind of have the feeling lately we are going the wrong way.
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lamarine
Profile Joined January 2003
591 Posts
September 14 2008 23:49 GMT
#113
there is no chance for hacking in WCG, so why do u care about him going there so much?
he earned his spot fair and square
So... BW is back
lamarine
Profile Joined January 2003
591 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-14 23:51:29
September 14 2008 23:51 GMT
#114
oh well i reread ur post and got it=) hmm... i think we should give this guy another chance after this WCG
So... BW is back
anotak
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1537 Posts
September 15 2008 00:08 GMT
#115
is RoX.Dimaga the same as player of the game Soldat with aka <{NuC}>Dimaga? When I was a top Soldat player he was one of my friends, we played many games. He was from Russia too, very good player...
PaeZ
Profile Joined April 2005
Mexico1627 Posts
September 15 2008 00:29 GMT
#116
On September 15 2008 09:08 anotak wrote:
is RoX.Dimaga the same as player of the game Soldat with aka <{NuC}>Dimaga? When I was a top Soldat player he was one of my friends, we played many games. He was from Russia too, very good player...



Dimaga is from Ukraine :p
anotak
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1537 Posts
September 15 2008 00:36 GMT
#117
On September 15 2008 09:29 PaeZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2008 09:08 anotak wrote:
is RoX.Dimaga the same as player of the game Soldat with aka <{NuC}>Dimaga? When I was a top Soldat player he was one of my friends, we played many games. He was from Russia too, very good player...



Dimaga is from Ukraine :p

hmmm maybe i have the wrong one

or maybe i'm mixing up where the soldat player was from... i don't have his MSN anymore so I can't ask him, this was years ago..

Most of the Soldat gosus at that time were from Poland, Estonia, Ukraine, Russia, Finland, Sweden. I was the only USA player on that level...
ahole-surprise
Profile Joined August 2007
United States813 Posts
September 15 2008 01:59 GMT
#118
On September 15 2008 09:36 anotak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2008 09:29 PaeZ wrote:
On September 15 2008 09:08 anotak wrote:
is RoX.Dimaga the same as player of the game Soldat with aka <{NuC}>Dimaga? When I was a top Soldat player he was one of my friends, we played many games. He was from Russia too, very good player...



Dimaga is from Ukraine :p

hmmm maybe i have the wrong one

or maybe i'm mixing up where the soldat player was from... i don't have his MSN anymore so I can't ask him, this was years ago..

Most of the Soldat gosus at that time were from Poland, Estonia, Ukraine, Russia, Finland, Sweden. I was the only USA player on that level...


You can ask Rus_Brain, apparently he is in contact with Dimaga.
Pulp can move, baby!
Bifur
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Russian Federation1208 Posts
September 15 2008 09:31 GMT
#119
Soon will be released first-person vods of Rondo, Localhost, BRAT_OK and Pomidor
purgerinho
Profile Joined June 2008
Croatia919 Posts
September 15 2008 22:05 GMT
#120
pomidor? :p

it means tomato on croatian :D

well, i had to say it, it is funny :p
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