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hixhix
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On September 15 2008 01:43 iG.ClouD wrote: I'm not saying he's bad but well I just keep thinking once someone is caught he should be banned from any important event for at least 18 months. What I think doesn't matter anyway but honest players don't get enough value nowadays. The reason I disagree with that is each hacker is different. Do I think Haypro should have been banned from everything for 18 months? Nope. Will you say this same message after haypro wins Sweden? "Fucking hacker." Probably not!  Localhost was banned from everything at that time including TSL (iirc) and he has since then improved himself obviously. Now you can take other gamers who aren't sorry for hacking and continue to make a mockery of the scene... sure, 18months or more would be a good start. | ||
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Bifur
Russian Federation1208 Posts
It was 3vs5 game: three pros from the fake-team (fake.BRAT_OK, fake.gOgna and some guy named fake.Neo) against five amateurs (I was among them). The map was Neo Hunters. They managed to kill one member of our team, but we eventually won. After that we played again: there were still three of them, but only four of us And they completely raped us | ||
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fanofbest
United States145 Posts
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KOFgokuon
United States14899 Posts
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
On September 15 2008 02:12 {88}iNcontroL wrote: The reason I disagree with that is each hacker is different. Do I think Haypro should have been banned from everything for 18 months? Nope. Will you say this same message after haypro wins Sweden? "Fucking hacker." Probably not! Localhost was banned from everything at that time including TSL (iirc) and he has since then improved himself obviously. Now you can take other gamers who aren't sorry for hacking and continue to make a mockery of the scene... sure, 18months or more would be a good start.Haypro was punished and he was banned from everything several months and got kicked by ToT. He had his punishment and it was for just one game. Localhost on the other hand just built all his fame maphacking in whole tournaments for a certain period and he doesn't really deserve the right to play at something as big as WCG this early imho. You said he was very humble and apologetic but it doesn't really matter how you apologize as long as you are guilty of something. Being good at deciding the best way to react once you get caught doesn't lessen the damage you do to the community. | ||
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littlechava
United States7221 Posts
On September 15 2008 02:02 hixhix wrote: Will the replays be released ? http://reps.ru/replays.php?replay=comment&id=11128 | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On September 15 2008 03:18 iG.ClouD wrote: Haypro was punished and he was banned from everything several months and got kicked by ToT. He had his punishment and it was for just one game. Localhost on the other hand just built all his fame maphacking in whole tournaments for a certain period and he doesn't really deserve the right to play at something as big as WCG this early imho. You said he was very humble and apologetic but it doesn't really matter how you apologize as long as you are guilty of something. Being good at deciding the best way to react once you get caught doesn't lessen the damage you do to the community. Neither does punishing them after they are caught? We care/do both anyhow because we are human. Nobody can reverse the damage they cause.. but if they can repent and make an honest effort to clean up they deserve our support as well. If we don't distinguish between the hacker that is sorry and the hacker that continues to hack and laugh at us there is no impotice for them to change. PS: Localhost was banned and punished too. Check Rus_Brain's blogs for more detail but Localhost was removed from RoX, banned from all tourneys and shamed severely. Despite all that he made an honest effort to bounce back all the while taking accountability for his misdeeds. | ||
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
On September 15 2008 03:43 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Neither does punishing them after they are caught? We care/do both anyhow because we are human. Nobody can reverse the damage they cause.. but if they can repent and make an honest effort to clean up they deserve our support as well. If we don't distinguish between the hacker that is sorry and the hacker that continues to hack and laugh at us there is no impotice for them to change. PS: Localhost was banned and punished too. Check Rus_Brain's blogs for more detail but Localhost was removed from RoX, banned from all tourneys and shamed severely. Despite all that he made an honest effort to bounce back all the while taking accountability for his misdeeds. As I said I think his punishment was not long enough for what he has done. If you want to get rid of maphackers you need to be way stricter than now once they are caught, so they know that if they do it again they risk to be erased by the whole community and every tournament for more than a year. This does not affect the ones caught but also the upcoming players who are tempted by programs meant for cheating. This being said I do strongly agree with you on the fact that people who learn the lesson should be able to be reintegrated fastly. But well you don't really have anything over the internet to discern them from persistent and dishonest cheaters. If you once maphacked and truly understand your mistakes of course this kind of punishment is harsher in comparison to those guys, but it is meant to eradicate the problem at the root. | ||
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Culture
Canada488 Posts
Rox had a boot camp before WCG. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
On September 15 2008 04:01 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Cloud the reality you should probably recognize by now is there is no possible way to "eradicate hackers." I guess this is the main point we do have a different opinion about :p I'm very concerned about not having cheaters in leagues, tournaments and all the stuff that matters anything in this game. Of course casual players will keep maphacking and I don't even want to blame them since it's their way to spend time on this game as long as they don't gain anything from that. But I'm quite sure the community and tournaments organizators can do much more to solve this problem. We have plenty of room to improve our measures against maphackers and I kind of have the feeling lately we are going the wrong way. | ||
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lamarine
587 Posts
he earned his spot fair and square | ||
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lamarine
587 Posts
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anotak
United States1537 Posts
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PaeZ
Mexico1627 Posts
On September 15 2008 09:08 anotak wrote: is RoX.Dimaga the same as player of the game Soldat with aka <{NuC}>Dimaga? When I was a top Soldat player he was one of my friends, we played many games. He was from Russia too, very good player... Dimaga is from Ukraine :p | ||
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anotak
United States1537 Posts
hmmm maybe i have the wrong one or maybe i'm mixing up where the soldat player was from... i don't have his MSN anymore so I can't ask him, this was years ago.. Most of the Soldat gosus at that time were from Poland, Estonia, Ukraine, Russia, Finland, Sweden. I was the only USA player on that level... | ||
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ahole-surprise
United States813 Posts
On September 15 2008 09:36 anotak wrote: hmmm maybe i have the wrong one or maybe i'm mixing up where the soldat player was from... i don't have his MSN anymore so I can't ask him, this was years ago.. Most of the Soldat gosus at that time were from Poland, Estonia, Ukraine, Russia, Finland, Sweden. I was the only USA player on that level... You can ask Rus_Brain, apparently he is in contact with Dimaga. | ||
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Bifur
Russian Federation1208 Posts
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purgerinho
Croatia919 Posts
it means tomato on croatian :D well, i had to say it, it is funny :p | ||
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