EPT[OSL] Ro36 Group C - Page 11
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7696 Posts
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Highways
Australia6124 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/576/74594602yz8.jpg) die armory ![[image loading]](http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/7048/96211929rd7.jpg) ahahahahahahahahahahaha | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
it is just not fair  | ||
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Rucky
United States717 Posts
On August 08 2008 20:21 Highways wrote: die armory ahahahahahahahahahahaha lol i'm a terran hater too! yay! btw results are off. shark won a game! i believe it was game 2. | ||
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trollbone
France1905 Posts
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roMAD
Russia2355 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
BO3s are nice, but if a player has to play a minimum of 4 games (unlikely) across 2 MUs in one sitting, it's kinda gives the advantage to the one with only 2 games and 1 MU. So far not a single player from the qualifier has advanced to the RO16, only seeded ones. And if you're unlucky like ForGG you end up with 3 BO3s on the same day. He won 2 but the 2nd one doesn't matter now. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On August 08 2008 23:00 .risingdragoon wrote: while i agree with your sentiment, your logic ignores several pointsI'm seriously questioning the new format. BO3s are nice, but if a player has to play a minimum of 4 games (unlikely) across 2 MUs in one sitting, it's kinda gives the advantage to the one with only 2 games and 1 MU. So far not a single player from the qualifier has advanced to the RO16, only seeded ones. And if you're unlucky like ForGG you end up with 3 BO3s on the same day. He won 2 but the 2nd one doesn't matter now. Examine the final Bo3, because really thats the only one of interest. 1) Sea vs Pure -> realistically who should win this series? a bit of a toss up eh? but on the whole, Sea is the better gamer and he did indeed win this series (2-1 might i add) Hence, Expect result = achieved result 2) Flash vs Effort -> Obviously, Flash should take this, and he did Hence, expected result = achieved result 3) ForGG vs Much -> ForGG is a beast TvP, but he's far from immortal. Much's best matchup is quite easily his PvT (in fact imo its his ONLY matchup). It's not unreasonable to see Much win over ForGG - especially seeing as ForGG's TvP is less established than Much's Hence, expected result =/= achieved result, but the achieved result isn't completely unfeasible (especially considering the 2-1 score) | ||
SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
And Grandpa could school some kids in some PvZ basics... sorta... -_-;; YESSSSSSSSS GRANDPA. | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
On August 08 2008 23:24 Plexa wrote:while i agree with your sentiment, your logic ignores several points Examine the final Bo3, because really thats the only one of interest. 1) Sea vs Pure -> realistically who should win this series? a bit of a toss up eh? but on the whole, Sea is the better gamer and he did indeed win this series (2-1 might i add) Hence, Expect result = achieved result 2) Flash vs Effort -> Obviously, Flash should take this, and he did Hence, expected result = achieved result 3) ForGG vs Much -> ForGG is a beast TvP, but he's far from immortal. Much's best matchup is quite easily his PvT (in fact imo its his ONLY matchup). It's not unreasonable to see Much win over ForGG - especially seeing as ForGG's TvP is less established than Much's Hence, expected result =/= achieved result, but the achieved result isn't completely unfeasible (especially considering the 2-1 score) No no, this is all wrong. The question you should be asking is "What'd happen if the final BO3 is in fact the only BO3?" What would happen if Pure only had to play Sea or ForGG only had to play Much? It makes all the difference b/w having to play 1 BO3 and 2. You can't say "on the whole someone's better" when what matters at that exact moment is 2 wins over 1 MU, and if that exact moment you have 2 BO3 vs someone else's 1, then you're at a disadvantage. | ||
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iPF[Div]
Spain572 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On August 09 2008 00:50 .risingdragoon wrote: The tired factor *generally* only applies when you have two closely matched gamers going head to head. Either way this system assumes that each group has one strong player per/group (and is the expected and realized group winner). Obviously this reasoning falls down when groups become stacked No no, this is all wrong. The question you should be asking is "What'd happen if the final BO3 is in fact the only BO3?" What would happen if Pure only had to play Sea or ForGG only had to play Much? It makes all the difference b/w having to play 1 BO3 and 2. You can't say "on the whole someone's better" when what matters at that exact moment is 2 wins over 1 MU, and if that exact moment you have 2 BO3 vs someone else's 1, then you're at a disadvantage.  | ||
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OmegaFang
United States156 Posts
On August 09 2008 00:50 .risingdragoon wrote: No no, this is all wrong. The question you should be asking is "What'd happen if the final BO3 is in fact the only BO3?" What would happen if Pure only had to play Sea or ForGG only had to play Much? It makes all the difference b/w having to play 1 BO3 and 2. You can't say "on the whole someone's better" when what matters at that exact moment is 2 wins over 1 MU, and if that exact moment you have 2 BO3 vs someone else's 1, then you're at a disadvantage. They are rewarding the people like Sea, Much, and the ones who have to play only one match because of there results in the previous tourney. The other ones didnt get that for in the last tourney therefore they arre forced to prove more. | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
The tired factor *generally* only applies when you have two closely matched gamers going head to head. Either way this system assumes that each group has one strong player per/group (and is the expected and realized group winner). Obviously this reasoning falls down when groups become stacked Nah, you never know how the first Bo3 would turn out or affect the player's lucidity. But regardless of what you may think, ForGG's had a tough break today. On August 09 2008 01:06 OmegaFang wrote: They are rewarding the people like Sea, Much, and the ones who have to play only one match because of there results in the previous tourney. The other ones didnt get that for in the last tourney therefore they arre forced to prove more. Well, obviously. Only this time the seeded position is even more favored to win. | ||
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traced
1739 Posts
On August 08 2008 20:20 Kuja900 wrote: im really surprised much went to julyzergs group after seeing the much v jaedong series i can safely say much's pvz is nowhere near good enough to match the tushin's simply godly zvp pretty sure jaedong has better pvz. i mean not to insult july, but jaedong's pvz is perfect | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On August 08 2008 23:24 Plexa wrote: Uh, So Much doesn't have world class PvP? Hell, not even Much's pvz can be bashed that harshly, hes not amazing, but hes not weak at pvz either. Hes just 'eh', considering the quality of his other two match ups, at least. while i agree with your sentiment, your logic ignores several points Examine the final Bo3, because really thats the only one of interest. 1) Sea vs Pure -> realistically who should win this series? a bit of a toss up eh? but on the whole, Sea is the better gamer and he did indeed win this series (2-1 might i add) Hence, Expect result = achieved result 2) Flash vs Effort -> Obviously, Flash should take this, and he did Hence, expected result = achieved result 3) ForGG vs Much -> ForGG is a beast TvP, but he's far from immortal. Much's best matchup is quite easily his PvT (in fact imo its his ONLY matchup). It's not unreasonable to see Much win over ForGG - especially seeing as ForGG's TvP is less established than Much's Hence, expected result =/= achieved result, but the achieved result isn't completely unfeasible (especially considering the 2-1 score) | ||
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
I mean, how can someone expect ForGG to win 3 Bo3's in 1 day, its ridiculous. | ||
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