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litesabre
Profile Joined January 2008
Korea (South)69 Posts
February 14 2008 10:55 GMT
#401
Jaedong's drone forces itself past Flash's SCV that was blocking his entrance, sees the inside
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11291 Posts
February 14 2008 10:55 GMT
#402
Jaedong 12 hatch, Flash also expanding, Jaedong finds Flash's expo with scouting probe. Flash denies JD's 2nd expansion for a moment.
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FieryBalrog
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1381 Posts
February 14 2008 10:56 GMT
#403
On February 14 2008 19:51 LonelyMargarita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2008 19:48 Sunyveil wrote:
On February 14 2008 19:47 buddhabeads wrote:
On February 14 2008 19:41 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
On February 14 2008 19:38 buddhabeads wrote:
flash went for the wrong tactic there MM force no chance against mass muts
once JD started producing muts flash shouldv switched to goliath and pushed out
MM cant back up his wraiths


i dont think its a good idea to mech against 2 hatch muta... first you must have rines to protect the turrets, and if u start making goliaths it means u have a moment when your unit count is low, (u stop producing marines) and then he would be destroyed. flash did the right thing


The problem with MMs is that they get picked off way too easy. Each marine cost 50 minerals and they often die to one stacked mut attack without dealing any dmgs. Same goes with turrets, they get taken out too easy,

Flash only used one group of marines to defend against the mut harass he had another group waiting to push ou. I think he produced too many marines, once JD's muts reached a critical mass, marines become utterly useless.


what else can you do?


He seems to think you go goliaths vs mass mutas, even though they deal 9 damage to +1 mutas, cost 100/50 instead of 50/0, can't be healed quickly, are slow, and get owned by a mix of mutas and lings.


9.5, sir

Owned
I will eat you alive
Snipinpanda
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1227 Posts
February 14 2008 10:56 GMT
#404
14 CC BY FLASH
FLASH FAILS TO BLOCK HIS RAMP PROPERLY!
Flash blocks the drone for Jaedong's 3rd hatch for a bit
3 hatch build by Jeadong
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
February 14 2008 10:56 GMT
#405
btw Flash should visit the jim from time to time - he is getting weight
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buddhabeads
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia14 Posts
February 14 2008 10:56 GMT
#406
On February 14 2008 19:48 Sunyveil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2008 19:47 buddhabeads wrote:
On February 14 2008 19:41 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
On February 14 2008 19:38 buddhabeads wrote:
flash went for the wrong tactic there MM force no chance against mass muts
once JD started producing muts flash shouldv switched to goliath and pushed out
MM cant back up his wraiths


i dont think its a good idea to mech against 2 hatch muta... first you must have rines to protect the turrets, and if u start making goliaths it means u have a moment when your unit count is low, (u stop producing marines) and then he would be destroyed. flash did the right thing


The problem with MMs is that they get picked off way too easy. Each marine cost 50 minerals and they often die to one stacked mut attack without dealing any dmgs. Same goes with turrets, they get taken out too easy,

Flash only used one group of marines to defend against the mut harass he had another group waiting to push ou. I think he produced too many marines, once JD's muts reached a critical mass, marines become utterly useless.


what else can you do?


i guess we are yet to see any effective tactic against mut harrs where mineral lines are just beside a cliff.

It's all about critical mass. If the T player manage to put up enough defence to ward off the first harrass then concentrate on expanding and pushing out. Flash had about 5 or so turrents by the time JD came around with about 5 muts, i guess if Flahs had maybe a few more turrets up he wouldve held it off, but yer if the first mut harrass is successful then the T will always be on the backfoot.

Usually either the Z player stop producing muts or the T player is able to push out and put the Z player on the backfoot. You cant win games by defending alone.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
February 14 2008 10:56 GMT
#407
HERO DRONEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11291 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-14 10:57:41
February 14 2008 10:57 GMT
#408
Flash 2 raxxing now, no metal build it seems. Jaedong teching to Lair at his mainbase. Academy is done, Engbay building.
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StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
February 14 2008 10:58 GMT
#409
5 rax no fact, MM power i guess
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11291 Posts
February 14 2008 10:58 GMT
#410
My stream died . Last I saw was Flash sending out some rines for early aggression, as JD did not pressure with lings.
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Snipinpanda
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1227 Posts
February 14 2008 10:59 GMT
#411
Commentators sound like they like opera as Flash nearly kills Jaedong's scouting drone
Flash loses his scouting drone
Flash pushing out with an early group of units, 3 rines+medic+firebat
Jaedong putting up spire
2 sunks in his nat, Flash retreats with out seeing them
Flash adding 3 rax, making total of 5 rax
Hydra Den going up for Jaedong
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
February 14 2008 10:59 GMT
#412
jaedong starting with SPIRE, vs 5 barrack? awwww
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
February 14 2008 11:00 GMT
#413
ah, he changed wgoin hydra(lurk)
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11291 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-14 11:00:48
February 14 2008 11:00 GMT
#414
Spire seems to be fake he is getting hydras and probably lurkers subsequently. Flash with fac + addon and starport. First five lurkers morphing as a small mmf force stands at the front door.
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Snipinpanda
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1227 Posts
February 14 2008 11:00 GMT
#415
Flash pushes out with more units, 9 rines and 2 medic, waiting for more units
Jaedong has 3 sunks, one more building,Flash retreats
Jaedong with 2 hatches
Jaedong seemingly not building mutas, Flash scans and may have seen Hydras, I think he has
Lurks morphing for Jaedong
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
February 14 2008 11:00 GMT
#416
queens nes!

3 base 5hatch queensnest and some lurks;) GO JAEDONG
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
February 14 2008 11:01 GMT
#417
5 rax mass pump
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11291 Posts
February 14 2008 11:02 GMT
#418
Flash has 1 attack upgrade, Jaedong one defense, scouting Flash with a single mutalist. Flash getting a tank and meeting Jaedongs MOVING force at 6 expansion, shredding a ton of lings.
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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
February 14 2008 11:02 GMT
#419
go for the nuke !
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Snipinpanda
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1227 Posts
February 14 2008 11:02 GMT
#420
Flash with group of M&M outside of Jaedong's base, Flash building some tanks
Jaedong goes and scouts with one muta, sees sci facil going up
Jaedong sends many forces on the bottom map
Flash has scouting SCV there
Flash intercepts with group of rines, kills many lings, kills a lurker
Jaedong expoing to inside nat at 9
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