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LonelyMargarita
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
1845 Posts
January 10 2008 09:54 GMT
#141
On January 10 2008 18:52 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2008 18:51 LonelyMargarita wrote:
On January 10 2008 18:49 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Savior lost his spire to that drop, hes helpless vs vessel right now=./


He lost 2 evos and a defiler mound, not his spire.

My bad...in that case..why no more scourge savior?=/


Because all his larvae were making lings and ultras and it still wasn't enough to kill the mm? The vessels didn't matter at that point.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
January 10 2008 09:54 GMT
#142
so much for tlpd!!!
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
January 10 2008 09:55 GMT
#143
either way, all that really matters is that anytime wins

<333 anytime!!
Whenever I encounter some little hitch, or some of my orbs get out of orbit, nothing pleases me so much as to make the crooked straight and crush down uneven places. www.day9.tv
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
January 10 2008 09:55 GMT
#144
no hydra mount at all. Just mutas -> ultra
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
January 10 2008 09:55 GMT
#145
Ya not anticipating at least 1 drop when you know your opponent has 2 ports is pretty bad.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
BlackSphinx
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada317 Posts
January 10 2008 09:56 GMT
#146
On January 10 2008 18:53 soccercop wrote:
i couldnt see the game live.....didnt he have any lurkers?


I don't think he had an hydra den even.

He really teched very fast, did NOTHING with his mutas except defend an expansion (but losing 5 mutas in the process to about 12 marines, 2 firebats and 4 medics). Then he lost his Defiler Mound, and bad scourge use and Ultralisk use caused him to lose a lot of lisks quickly to irradiate. Ruby then proceeded to roll over.

A few lurkers would ahve been a good idea. I think Savior teched too fast.
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
January 10 2008 09:56 GMT
#147
The game sounded like this...
sAviOr defends his fourth gas then Ruby drops and kills defiler mound. sAviOr dies
Is that all that happened?
Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
January 10 2008 09:56 GMT
#148
On January 10 2008 18:55 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Ya not anticipating at least 1 drop when you know your opponent has 2 ports is pretty bad.


hehehe he kinda fucked himself over w/ his building placement too

those MnM were perfectly hidden back there ioi
Whenever I encounter some little hitch, or some of my orbs get out of orbit, nothing pleases me so much as to make the crooked straight and crush down uneven places. www.day9.tv
dragoonkf
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Singapore1256 Posts
January 10 2008 09:56 GMT
#149
I get this super bad feeling ill get 1/4 today =.=....
Inter.MinD/Free[gm]/Stork fan
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
January 10 2008 09:57 GMT
#150
On January 10 2008 18:54 LonelyMargarita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2008 18:52 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On January 10 2008 18:51 LonelyMargarita wrote:
On January 10 2008 18:49 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Savior lost his spire to that drop, hes helpless vs vessel right now=./


He lost 2 evos and a defiler mound, not his spire.

My bad...in that case..why no more scourge savior?=/


Because all his larvae were making lings and ultras and it still wasn't enough to kill the mm? The vessels didn't matter at that point.

Well savior still had some defiliers left over from before his mound went down. He couldve protected them at least long enough to get a swarm or 2 out in front of his nat if he had some scourge. But thats just theorycrafting
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
Sigrun
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1654 Posts
January 10 2008 09:57 GMT
#151
On January 10 2008 18:56 BlackSphinx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2008 18:53 soccercop wrote:
i couldnt see the game live.....didnt he have any lurkers?


I don't think he had an hydra den even.

He really teched very fast, did NOTHING with his mutas except defend an expansion (but losing 5 mutas in the process to about 12 marines, 2 firebats and 4 medics). Then he lost his Defiler Mound, and bad scourge use and Ultralisk use caused him to lose a lot of lisks quickly to irradiate. Ruby then proceeded to roll over.

A few lurkers would ahve been a good idea. I think Savior teched too fast.


The purpose of the build is to skip Lurkers and use that gas for Ultralisks.
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0z
Profile Joined August 2006
Luxembourg877 Posts
January 10 2008 09:57 GMT
#152
On January 10 2008 18:55 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Ya not anticipating at least 1 drop when you know your opponent has 2 ports is pretty bad.

he had a sunk there, he didn't aticipate 2 drops though
jaesung
Profile Joined November 2006
124 Posts
January 10 2008 09:58 GMT
#153
On January 10 2008 18:54 Day[9] wrote:
i\'m reading alot of people criticize a bunch of other elements of savior\'s play

although losing scourge or having low unit count \"isn\'t very good,\" it didn\'t really have the most critical impact on the game. doing the fast ultralisk tech style savior is doing is a momentum play. you look really dangerously weak in the early game, but then you stabilize up, and you are good to go (w/ 5 gas yaaay).

however, since savior lost a handful of units in the midgame (again totally ok) he needed that defiler mound to stay alive.

sadly, it didn\'t stay alive. so, ruby was allowed to just walk up to savior\'s front and smash his face in half. simple game, but still very nice play by ruby from start to finish. excellent turret placement if i might add


cause of that was ruby had army in front of saviour's nat. really couldn't pay attention to other things(dropship) since saviour doesnt know when he gonna just rush in.

after dropship owned his tech builing, ruby just rushed in.

BlackSphinx
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada317 Posts
January 10 2008 09:58 GMT
#154
Anytime v Kal is starting soon!
soccercop
Profile Joined August 2006
Fiji305 Posts
January 10 2008 09:58 GMT
#155
yeah, savior teched too fast. the strat he used needed the defiler the most. without is is like fighting a brick wall.
To defy your destiny makes you indestructible
Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
January 10 2008 09:58 GMT
#156
On January 10 2008 18:56 kNyTTyM wrote:
The game sounded like this...
sAviOr defends his fourth gas then Ruby drops and kills defiler mound. sAviOr dies
Is that all that happened?


savior went fast muta --> ultra tech (very standard)
ruby goes fast expo --> 7rax 2port vessel (very standard)

savior is looking good w/ 5gas (6th morphing) but is low on units. savior is not worried because he has defilers!

ruby makes a big drop on savior's back expo, killing 2 evos and defiler mound.
ruby knows there are no swarms to worry about, and attack moves savior's front.

?????

profit
Whenever I encounter some little hitch, or some of my orbs get out of orbit, nothing pleases me so much as to make the crooked straight and crush down uneven places. www.day9.tv
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
January 10 2008 09:58 GMT
#157
On January 10 2008 18:56 Day[9] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2008 18:55 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Ya not anticipating at least 1 drop when you know your opponent has 2 ports is pretty bad.


hehehe he kinda fucked himself over w/ his building placement too

those MnM were perfectly hidden back there ioi

lol yea. Might as well painted a big target with huge flashing arrow and a sign that says "DROP HERE TO OWN ME"
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4843 Posts
January 10 2008 09:58 GMT
#158
The purpose of the build is to get raped by SKTerran.
Complete the cycle!
Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
January 10 2008 09:59 GMT
#159
On January 10 2008 18:58 jaesung wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2008 18:54 Day[9] wrote:
i\'m reading alot of people criticize a bunch of other elements of savior\'s play

although losing scourge or having low unit count \"isn\'t very good,\" it didn\'t really have the most critical impact on the game. doing the fast ultralisk tech style savior is doing is a momentum play. you look really dangerously weak in the early game, but then you stabilize up, and you are good to go (w/ 5 gas yaaay).

however, since savior lost a handful of units in the midgame (again totally ok) he needed that defiler mound to stay alive.

sadly, it didn\'t stay alive. so, ruby was allowed to just walk up to savior\'s front and smash his face in half. simple game, but still very nice play by ruby from start to finish. excellent turret placement if i might add


cause of that was ruby had army in front of saviour's nat. really couldn't pay attention to other things(dropship) since saviour doesnt know when he gonna just rush in.

after dropship owned his tech builing, ruby just rushed in.



yeah that's exactly what i'm saying.

the front bustin couldn't have happened w/o the defiler mound being dead. pobre savior hahaha. he must be feeling so much pressure these days
Whenever I encounter some little hitch, or some of my orbs get out of orbit, nothing pleases me so much as to make the crooked straight and crush down uneven places. www.day9.tv
BlackSphinx
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada317 Posts
January 10 2008 10:00 GMT
#160
On January 10 2008 18:57 SigrUn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2008 18:56 BlackSphinx wrote:
On January 10 2008 18:53 soccercop wrote:
i couldnt see the game live.....didnt he have any lurkers?


I don't think he had an hydra den even.

He really teched very fast, did NOTHING with his mutas except defend an expansion (but losing 5 mutas in the process to about 12 marines, 2 firebats and 4 medics). Then he lost his Defiler Mound, and bad scourge use and Ultralisk use caused him to lose a lot of lisks quickly to irradiate. Ruby then proceeded to roll over.

A few lurkers would ahve been a good idea. I think Savior teched too fast.


The purpose of the build is to skip Lurkers and use that gas for Ultralisks.


Well, I think that in that situation where his harass was totally useless, he shouldn,t have continued on with that. But that's my opinion.

I know about the muta harass => Ultra build. However, if you can't kill a single SCV, try to stay alive before thinking about Ultras. That's where i think Savior made his mistake, in not adapting to Ruby's play and the flow of the game.
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