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fodder
Profile Joined December 2007
Sweden58 Posts
December 30 2007 07:53 GMT
#181
On December 30 2007 16:49 HaXxorIzed wrote:
That was horrible Carrier micro :/


Level 2 goliaths vs Level 0 carriers. Is it really that surprising?
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27179 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-30 07:55:08
December 30 2007 07:54 GMT
#182
I just watched the rep and he lost 6 in like... 1 minute.

edit- although I believe that if you are fighting such a substantial upgrade difference, you should use your carriers for harrassement and try to hold the middle with ground.
ModeratorGodfather
hku
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
169 Posts
December 30 2007 07:54 GMT
#183
yes. VERY SURPISING.
3 carriers, no units on the ground.
free should not have lost by any means.
Deletrious
Profile Joined December 2007
United States458 Posts
December 30 2007 07:57 GMT
#184
Mind macros like God and mixes those factory units like a fucking alchemist.
Bow before the Dongjwa.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32282 Posts
December 30 2007 07:59 GMT
#185
[image loading]

Exactly.
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fodder
Profile Joined December 2007
Sweden58 Posts
December 30 2007 08:03 GMT
#186
On December 30 2007 16:43 InfesTeD]i[ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2007 16:42 IdrA wrote:
mind is making a decent attempt to come back but wont be able to hold carriers soon
vults keep top left offline for a while and 2 tanks siege free's nat over the ridge


well 2-2 goliaths with 5 bases ?


Exactly. I don't know what game he was watching but Mind had control over the game at every point.

Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
December 30 2007 08:07 GMT
#187
On December 30 2007 17:03 fodder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2007 16:43 InfesTeD]i[ wrote:
On December 30 2007 16:42 IdrA wrote:
mind is making a decent attempt to come back but wont be able to hold carriers soon
vults keep top left offline for a while and 2 tanks siege free's nat over the ridge


well 2-2 goliaths with 5 bases ?


Exactly. I don't know what game he was watching but Mind had control over the game at every point.


what the hell are you talking about.

Mind lost ALL his tanks to Free's goon/zeal force when Free had gone 3 stargate carriers from 3 bases. Mind should have won that battle and had Free backed against the wall, but instead he lost the battle, and then had carriers to worry about.

Control over the game at every point? I think you need to make sure you're watching the right game.
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fodder
Profile Joined December 2007
Sweden58 Posts
December 30 2007 08:11 GMT
#188
On December 30 2007 17:07 Live2Win wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2007 17:03 fodder wrote:
On December 30 2007 16:43 InfesTeD]i[ wrote:
On December 30 2007 16:42 IdrA wrote:
mind is making a decent attempt to come back but wont be able to hold carriers soon
vults keep top left offline for a while and 2 tanks siege free's nat over the ridge


well 2-2 goliaths with 5 bases ?


Exactly. I don't know what game he was watching but Mind had control over the game at every point.


what the hell are you talking about.

Mind lost ALL his tanks to Free's goon/zeal force when Free had gone 3 stargate carriers from 3 bases. Mind should have won that battle and had Free backed against the wall, but instead he lost the battle, and then had carriers to worry about.

Control over the game at every point? I think you need to make sure you're watching the right game.


He had nothing left after that attack. Mind starts making 2/2/2 goliaths and Free just starts pumping carriers with little ground army. He wasn't close to winning.

Not only that, but at the time "mind is making a decent attempt to come back but wont be able to hold carriers soon" Mind not only had more expansions 2/2/2 goliaths vs 0/0/0 carriers, a better economy flow, better control of the map, more maneuverability, but ALSO HAD BETTER HARASS. While I was watching I was thinking "Wow Mind is really pressuring free."
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
December 30 2007 08:11 GMT
#189
Champions win when it counts
Thats a character of a true champion
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27179 Posts
December 30 2007 08:12 GMT
#190
I think you are totally wrong L2W. Mind killed Free\'s entire ground army. Knowing his opponent was putting everything into carriers he knew he would be fine, and knew his upgrades were going to destroy any remaining ground force. He took his corner expo safely because he had time, then set up shop in the middle. Free couldn\'t cross the map after that, and the poor carrier micro / mass gols did the rest.

ModeratorGodfather
Snipinpanda
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1227 Posts
December 30 2007 08:13 GMT
#191
On December 30 2007 17:07 Live2Win wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2007 17:03 fodder wrote:
On December 30 2007 16:43 InfesTeD]i[ wrote:
On December 30 2007 16:42 IdrA wrote:
mind is making a decent attempt to come back but wont be able to hold carriers soon
vults keep top left offline for a while and 2 tanks siege free's nat over the ridge


well 2-2 goliaths with 5 bases ?


Exactly. I don't know what game he was watching but Mind had control over the game at every point.


what the hell are you talking about.

Mind lost ALL his tanks to Free's goon/zeal force when Free had gone 3 stargate carriers from 3 bases. Mind should have won that battle and had Free backed against the wall, but instead he lost the battle, and then had carriers to worry about.

Control over the game at every point? I think you need to make sure you're watching the right game.


Adding to this, had Free dealt with that vult harass correctly, which would have been very simple, cannon/goons inside the base, instead of using carriers to deal with it, Mind woulda probably had no advantage at all. I don't think Mind knew that carriers were coming prior to that point either, so I think Free was probably better off if he had instead, attacked with those carriers.
fodder
Profile Joined December 2007
Sweden58 Posts
December 30 2007 08:16 GMT
#192
On December 30 2007 17:12 Manifesto7 wrote:
I think you are totally wrong L2W. Mind killed Free\'s entire ground army. Knowing his opponent was putting everything into carriers he knew he would be fine, and knew his upgrades were going to destroy any remaining ground force. He took his corner expo safely because he had time, then set up shop in the middle. Free couldn\'t cross the map after that, and the poor carrier micro / mass gols did the rest.



Yes, in addendum he was being harassed on every fronts of his expansions. So not only did he have to worry about taking control of the middle, he was being forced on every side to defend which he had no motility to achieve.
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
December 30 2007 15:14 GMT
#193
He wasn't being forced on every side.
He was constantly forced go to back to his deep corner expo which he sealed off all but 1 very narrow choke he coulda held.

Free really lost that game... sorta what he does I guess?
The advantage after the first clash in front of Mind's min nat shoulda been huge.

Instead, Mind harasses insanely well negating Free's additional base, and let's upgrades finish off a still 0-0-0 Free at the end. That harass really wrecked him so hard. And he macros so well - -
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Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
December 30 2007 15:15 GMT
#194
sorry for not updating the results guys, I got really sick last night and was stuck in bed for 10 hours and couldn't watch the games
Peaked at C- on ICCUP and proud of it! @Sunyveil
Emptyness
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Bulgaria1016 Posts
December 30 2007 16:15 GMT
#195
WeMade ftw . Thnx a lot for the update, Sunyveil . I couldn't watch the games either .
Fall down 9 times, Get up 10.
JensOfSweden
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Cameroon1767 Posts
December 30 2007 16:37 GMT
#196
Go WeMade!

Btw, why isn't Nada playing?
<3 Nada [On and off TL.net since 2002
iloveHieu
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1919 Posts
December 30 2007 17:03 GMT
#197
On December 30 2007 15:39 IntoTheWow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2007 15:38 InfesTeD]i[ wrote:
I guess we have to watch this now

I wanna see Nada play


If im not mistaken NaDa wont play cause he has been punished for leaving practice early.
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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
December 30 2007 20:27 GMT
#198
which in reality isnt a punishment but a relief for NaDa..
they might say..
hatred outlives the hateful
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-30 21:41:43
December 30 2007 20:45 GMT
#199
free definitely had a big advantage after the battle at mind's min only. killing mind's army bought him time, which is the one thing you cant let protoss have when theyre going carriers. had free dealt with the harass properly he would have had a base advantage and undisturbed 3 gate carriers, he already had 3 or 6 out. once you get a decent carrier count on blue storm the game is pretty much over. its near impossible for terran to attack up the center hill vs carrier + ground armies and the setup of the map allows carriers to attack both the terran natural + the 6 expo without moving too far away to come back and defend a counter attack.
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InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
December 30 2007 21:48 GMT
#200
Exactly, all credit would go for Mind for keeping "mind control of the game" with vult harassment and expanding like iloveoov. His macro is really good and Free played poorly after that attack in Mind's min
w/e
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