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[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6957 Posts
October 26 2025 10:05 GMT
#221
Snow with the anti muta call was a bit unlucky lol
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5499 Posts
October 26 2025 10:05 GMT
#222
This is depressing
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
Timebon3s
Profile Joined May 2018
Norway764 Posts
October 26 2025 10:06 GMT
#223
I think Snows best chances at winning ASL is to switch race to Zerg.
Kraekkling
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
665 Posts
October 26 2025 10:07 GMT
#224
small stuff adds up

39% WR vs 63% WR
(*^^)(^*)
Rainalcar
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia471 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-10-26 10:09:02
October 26 2025 10:07 GMT
#225
Xun trying to explain to all of us how hydra busts are really really difficult LOL :D Sure, that's why Zs gg so many times after they don't get a kill outright

Now he's explaining how Snow just has a poor pvz... If only he were as dominant as... Oo yeah, nobody
j.r.r.
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5499 Posts
October 26 2025 10:07 GMT
#226
How can Snow be so good at PvT and PvP and suck so bad at PvZ.

Bisu gave Soma a good run for his money. Snow is not.
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5499 Posts
October 26 2025 10:08 GMT
#227
On October 26 2025 19:06 Timebon3s wrote:
I think Snows best chances at winning ASL is to switch race to Zerg.

If Snow only plays Protoss and Terrans he wins an ASL tbh
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5556 Posts
October 26 2025 10:09 GMT
#228
Killing gateway, probes of minerals long enough. Then too many sairs (or not enough to force effectively psi block). Snow's simcity kinda sucked.

Seems unfair with how much Zerg can get away with. Makes me curious to hear Bisu's take on this game.
FBH #1!
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13416 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-10-26 10:11:17
October 26 2025 10:09 GMT
#229
That was snows game to lose after he held the lings. His scouting let him down though.

Soma was clever though. After snow scouts the spure and no den he quickly switches to hydras while zoning the cairs with scourge to prevent the scouting.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Kraekkling
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
665 Posts
October 26 2025 10:10 GMT
#230
did anyone figure out how to use those google play codes

I don't need it but I want free shit
(*^^)(^*)
End1ess
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada77 Posts
October 26 2025 10:11 GMT
#231
On October 26 2025 19:03 ScoutWBF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2025 19:02 RowdierBob wrote:
Man snow just failed to scout the hydras early enough.


Dude had 4 corsairs and didn't see Hydras.

Bro u need 7 corsairs to run freely in the map.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3171 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-10-26 10:14:19
October 26 2025 10:13 GMT
#232
Some of the comments here, I swear they don't understand the matchup very well. Like this:

Snow had full map control/vision with his corsairs, and he still botched that game. So disappointing.

Notice he killed 2 Overlords (which is 1 more than normally allowed) then had to pull back as Scourges started coming out, and some Corsairs nearly died if not for slick control. From that point as Protoss you have to keep your Sairs back until you accumulate enough of them to fight a potential Orge Zerg gamer. If you move out too early, you'll be called stupid. You talk about "full map control" as if Protoss has map hack.

The correct play there? When Zerg decides to do that strategy of "guess which way I'm gonna all in you", the only way is to build Cannons in BOTH nat and main to account for both situations. But Zerg has a 3rd option: I'm just gonna Drone up and leave you behind economically.

Like I said, as P you have to guess. Sometimes it pays off sometimes it doesn't.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13416 Posts
October 26 2025 10:17 GMT
#233
On October 26 2025 19:13 TMNT wrote:
Some of the comments here, I swear they don't understand the matchup very well. Like this:

Show nested quote +
Snow had full map control/vision with his corsairs, and he still botched that game. So disappointing.

Notice he killed 2 Overlords (which is 1 more than normally allowed) then had to pull back as Scourges started coming out, and some Corsairs nearly died if not for slick control. From that point as Protoss you have to keep your Sairs back until you accumulate enough of them to fight a potential Orge Zerg gamer. If you move out too early, you'll be called stupid. You talk about "full map control" as if Protoss has map hack.

The correct play there? When Zerg decides to do that strategy of "guess which way I'm gonna all in you", the only way is to build Cannons in BOTH nat and main to account for both situations. But Zerg has a 3rd option: I'm just gonna Drone up and leave you behind economically.

Like I said, as P you have to guess. Sometimes it pays off sometimes it doesn't.

Hindsight is 20/20 but snow needed to prob sac a cair to get the info he needed. Knowing Soma, he was always going to double up on an all in there. It’s tough though. If he was doing a muta dive and he sacs a cair there to confirm it, that can be a big deal. I feel for Snow. He’s just guessing wrong each time.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3171 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-10-26 10:22:02
October 26 2025 10:18 GMT
#234
On October 26 2025 19:04 RowdierBob wrote:
As much as PvZ is tough for protosses, Soma is outplaying snow here. Snow thought it would be a muta all in like I did and didn’t bother to keep scouting till it was too late.

Yeah but how can you "keep scouting" though?

Nvm you just answered above. And yes I agree. The only way is to sneak a Corsair out of the group and go for Soma's base. But even with that there's two situations bad for Protoss that can occur :
- the lone Sair gets caught by Scourge, because there's no reliable way to get the scout apart from praying he doesn't see me.
- the lone Sair gets caught by the Muta Scourge flock, thus reducing his potency to defend the following Muta all in.

There’s fuck all reliable solution really.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1233 Posts
October 26 2025 10:20 GMT
#235
SnOw greeded onto the overlords at 3 base that were free to kill, but as a result he didnt get a second full scout on SoMa's bases and was functioning on the spire tech information. He had to let the overlords go after killing one, and go for a second full scout. Only seeing the hydras once out on the map with his zealots killed him. SoMa read SnOw's greed perfectly and confirmed it with his scourge shadowing the zlots.
JDON MY SOUL!
superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3686 Posts
October 26 2025 10:21 GMT
#236
best Protoss lost against best Zerg

random online C ranker: I could have won
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1259 Posts
October 26 2025 10:21 GMT
#237
This game is going to be tough for Soma. On the one hand, an all-in seems mandatory. On the other hand you have the clear upper-hand mentally in all games coming up, so maybe you want to tone that down a little.

Definitely a test.
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1259 Posts
October 26 2025 10:23 GMT
#238
On October 26 2025 19:20 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
SnOw greeded onto the overlords at 3 base that were free to kill, but as a result he didnt get a second full scout on SoMa's bases and was functioning on the spire tech information. He had to let the overlords go after killing one, and go for a second full scout. Only seeing the hydras once out on the map with his zealots killed him. SoMa read SnOw's greed perfectly and confirmed it with his scourge shadowing the zlots.


Can we please stop with this? He didn't even align his cannons properly and the 5 zealots he had got stuck in the middle of the map on a map artifact.

It was a terrible game altogether, not some 200IQ loss.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8776 Posts
October 26 2025 10:23 GMT
#239
of course soma manages to slip a ling or two..
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Kraekkling
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
665 Posts
October 26 2025 10:24 GMT
#240
11nex vs over pool

two ling slips in!!

snow should still feel good rn

(*^^)(^*)
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