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BLinD-RawR
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prosatan
Romania8496 Posts
hero and rax on my LB because i don't trust royal ! | ||
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prosatan
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 i cannot imagine an ASL without hero ! this is not possible !! | ||
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pseudosignal
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hero > BTS BarrackS > RoyaL Super tough one to call. Could go either way. Slightest of edges to BarrackS for no other reason than it feels like his time to shine. hero > BarrackS RoyaL > BTS BarrackS > RoyaL BarrackS and hero advance | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
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RoyaL > Barracks RoyaL > BTS HerO > Barracks HerO > BTS | ||
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konadora
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Gorsameth
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konadora
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On August 27 2025 16:24 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: BTS > HerO (LOL) RoyaL > Barracks RoyaL > BTS HerO > Barracks HerO > BTS you’re onto something my fellow rat enjoyer | ||
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nikolaus8844
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DarkPlasmaBall
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Game 2: What is this TvT... | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Peeano
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prosatan
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prosatan
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Peeano
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RogerChillingworth
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True vs Barracks in the winners? ? HOLY GUAC | ||
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TMNT
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Peeano
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SkelA
Macedonia13069 Posts
On August 27 2025 20:01 BLinD-RawR wrote: no one would have ever guessed BTS was making Ro16 Even he was surprised. Literally shaking after that victory. | ||
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thezanursic
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Peeano
Netherlands5192 Posts
Can you give us a summary maybe? | ||
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TMNT
3091 Posts
On August 27 2025 19:53 TMNT wrote: So Barracks will be the first pick in Ro16 it seems. Not exactly a "weak" player but still. If Barracks makes it out he'll still be first pick then, unless Soulkey fancies a ZvZ... But no more 4 groups of death. | ||
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RowdierBob
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konadora
Singapore66357 Posts
On August 27 2025 20:04 Peeano wrote: Any live translation? Kona? Please :') Can you give us a summary maybe? sorry i’m watching outside but TLDR he said his practice was really bad and had very low winrate, and he was constantly shocked thatt things were going somewhat well today and was winning his games he also thought the terrans would ban out Litmus so he practiced about 30 times on roaring currents, so the Litmus map pick caught him by surprise. he saw the factory then decided on this build | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5192 Posts
On August 27 2025 20:06 konadora wrote: sorry i’m watching outside but TLDR he said his practice was really bad and had very low winrate, and he was constantly shocked thatt things were going somewhat well today and was winning his games he also thought the terrans would ban out Litmus so he practiced about 30 times on roaring currents, so the Litmus map pick caught him by surprise. he saw the factory then decided on this build <3 | ||
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prosatan
Romania8496 Posts
On August 27 2025 20:06 konadora wrote: sorry i’m watching outside but TLDR he said his practice was really bad and had very low winrate, and he was constantly shocked thatt things were going somewhat well today and was winning his games he also thought the terrans would ban out Litmus so he practiced about 30 times on roaring currents, so the Litmus map pick caught him by surprise. he saw the factory then decided on this build kona !! | ||
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prosatan
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45100 Posts
On August 27 2025 20:06 konadora wrote: sorry i’m watching outside but TLDR he said his practice was really bad and had very low winrate, and he was constantly shocked thatt things were going somewhat well today and was winning his games he also thought the terrans would ban out Litmus so he practiced about 30 times on roaring currents, so the Litmus map pick caught him by surprise. he saw the factory then decided on this build Thanks | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1044 Posts
On August 27 2025 20:09 prosatan wrote: I wonder if someone picked BTS for the LB... I forgot to pick :'(. but i would have had it on royal and hero lol. wrong I am. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50592 Posts
On August 27 2025 20:06 konadora wrote: sorry i’m watching outside but TLDR he said his practice was really bad and had very low winrate, and he was constantly shocked thatt things were going somewhat well today and was winning his games he also thought the terrans would ban out Litmus so he practiced about 30 times on roaring currents, so the Litmus map pick caught him by surprise. he saw the factory then decided on this build Luck is also a skill. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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RogerChillingworth
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Peeano
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konadora
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BLinD-RawR
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On August 27 2025 20:18 konadora wrote: why does that vulture death look like deja vu… lol with royal, its been in this place before. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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konadora
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prosatan
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On August 27 2025 20:32 prosatan wrote: what the hell is hero doing??? Throwing away both games he played-and-basically-had-won today. Absolutely terrible. | ||
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gravity
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prosatan
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prosatan
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On August 27 2025 20:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Throwing away both games he played-and-basically-had-won today. Absolutely terrible. agree 100 % !! Why hero !?!?!!? | ||
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SkelA
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gravity
Australia1988 Posts
On August 27 2025 20:34 gravity wrote: That dmatrix firebat was pretty effective Or should I say: firebat>hero | ||
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RowdierBob
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pseudosignal
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Mother of god. | ||
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TMNT
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45100 Posts
Need to bring back the insane celebrations! | ||
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RogerChillingworth
Chad3079 Posts
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Peeano
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iFU.pauline
France1659 Posts
On August 27 2025 20:36 RowdierBob wrote: Lot of fist pumps from the protosses in the ro16. No hero is good news for them. mouarf, they would play hero a thousand times over jd or effort or even queen. | ||
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Gorsameth
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Toshinou-Kyouko
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45100 Posts
On August 27 2025 20:41 Gorsameth wrote: They might not be the highest quality of games but they sure have been entertaining Very true. | ||
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prosatan
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45100 Posts
On August 27 2025 20:51 Toshinou-Kyouko wrote: just started watching and already it's the final match... and hero lost?! how He was ahead in both scrappy games - basically had them both won - but then threw away both of them with incredibly sloppy play at the very end. This whole group kind of deserves to be eliminated, based solely on today's games. | ||
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prosatan
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Peeano
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BLinD-RawR
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BLinD-RawR
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On August 27 2025 21:08 Peeano wrote: I would have never imagined Barracks can beat Royal in a long TvT. I don't think you realize how cooked royal has been off late. | ||
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pseudosignal
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prosatan
Romania8496 Posts
congrats BTS and Rax !  | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5192 Posts
On August 27 2025 21:11 BLinD-RawR wrote: I don't think you realize how cooked royal has been off late. That's fair. Did you bet on Barracks tho? | ||
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Zergxhx
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Soft_General_5023
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RogueTheGOAT
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On August 27 2025 19:23 BLinD-RawR wrote: I don't know if I'd consider that high level ZvZ, but it was peak ZvZ. On August 27 2025 19:40 BLinD-RawR wrote: Pretty sloppy but fun. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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yes, there was never a doubt in me that royal was going to flop in the Ro24 | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1044 Posts
On August 27 2025 22:08 BLinD-RawR wrote: yes, there was never a doubt in me that royal was going to flop in the Ro24 Royal is a best of set player because his style relies entirely on doing out of the box things.... and the funny part is that he is good at standard... | ||
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RogueTheGOAT
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Ideas
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BTS played ok but seems to have slipped by due to his opponents throwing the game. I don't see him fairing well in the Ro16. Really surprised by how well barracks played vs Royal in both games. Cool to see. | ||
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G5
United States2919 Posts
I'm happy for BTS and Barracks. | ||
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mtcn77
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RogueTheGOAT
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On August 28 2025 00:08 mtcn77 wrote: What did I tell you guys! This season is True %100! TRUE beat the opponents he was matched against which is all that you can ask of anyone, but I don't see how you could have watched today's games and say he displayed a quality of play which foreshadows success in the round of 16. | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey633 Posts
On August 28 2025 00:33 RogueTheGOAT wrote: TRUE beat the opponents he was matched against which is all that you can ask of anyone, but I don't see how you could have watched today's games and say he displayed a quality of play which foreshadows success in the round of 16. You mistook me. I saw True's success back in ASL19. On April 06 2025 10:55 mtcn77 wrote: I think Queen started it proper vs Flash last season, but the true champion has been True. | ||
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Lazyer
United States365 Posts
True better pull some crazy shit out in Ro16 and I'm always rooting for Barracks so happy to see him advance | ||
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TMNT
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ASL15: 0-3 in Ro16 ASL16: 0-3 in Ro16 ASL17: 0-3 in Ro16 ASL18: 2-4 in Ro16 ASL19: 0-2 in Ro24 ASL20: 1-2 in Ro24 In hindsight, maybe he should have gone to the military during that period instead. | ||
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines594 Posts
here is where he was eliminated in the previous ASLs: vant36.5 hero eliminated in ro32 1-2 ro3 3 ro16 4 ro2 5 ro4 6 military 7 military 8 military 9 military 10 ro16 11 ro4 12 ro4 13 ro16 14 ro4 15 ro4 16 ro8 17 ro2 18 ro8 19 ro16 20 ro24 | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On August 28 2025 07:36 TMNT wrote: Royal's results after winning ASL14 have been diabolical: ASL15: 0-3 in Ro16 ASL16: 0-3 in Ro16 ASL17: 0-3 in Ro16 ASL18: 2-4 in Ro16 ASL19: 0-2 in Ro24 ASL20: 1-2 in Ro24 In hindsight, maybe he should have gone to the military during that period instead. yup, I wasn't joking when I made the casy comparison, and even then casy at least made into one more Ro4 after that. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8496 Posts
That's why i went with rax instead of him and i think hero is the most consistent player of ASL ever , even if he hadn't won a tournament. YET ! | ||
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prosatan
Romania8496 Posts
he doesnt look upset ! he is laughing with his chat playing right now on ladder | ||
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ScoutWBF
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Feels like Z>T and Z>>P right now. Terrans just die when Zerg hits Hive and they can't break that 2nd expansion. | ||
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Simplistik
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TMNT
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RogerChillingworth
Chad3079 Posts
Would be cool if Best took it down after getting so close. Or.. ORRR? + Show Spoiler + | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey633 Posts
On August 28 2025 19:22 ScoutWBF wrote: That's a lot of Zergs qualifying for Top 16 this season. Feels like Z>T and Z>>P right now. Terrans just die when Zerg hits Hive and they can't break that 2nd expansion. You obviously know soulkey builds his impenetrable fortress around out of competition pros? Any titleholder in the defensive matrix can break the illusion any time. I say he is the reason Hero is performing so poorly since top competition is so different to prepare than the group stages. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
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RogueTheGOAT
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On August 29 2025 19:15 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: If only Royal would stick to standard low risk play. He is really good at it. but something in him makes him want to play risky or out of the box. Players employ the strategy they think delivers the highest chance of winning. If a player plays risky or unorthodox, that's usually because they're either not confident in winning a standard game. Whether their internal evaluation is correct or not is a different question. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4132 Posts
On August 28 2025 19:22 ScoutWBF wrote: That's a lot of Zergs qualifying for Top 16 this season. Feels like Z>T and Z>>P right now. Terrans just die when Zerg hits Hive and they can't break that 2nd expansion. To me it feels more like Z>P and Z>>T right now. Protosses look way more competitive imo. Perhaps it is because Terrans don't actually have S tier players left, but Protoss do To be more precise is like there is Soulkey > everyone and then the best Protosses = the best Zergs while Terrans are not a factor on this level atm | ||
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Ze'ev
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On August 30 2025 00:54 RogueTheGOAT wrote: Unorthodox true, but risky/aggressive is actually considered the thing your supposed to be doing if your the better player in korea. In the west we say play standard and safe if your better but koreans 100% disagree.Players employ the strategy they think delivers the highest chance of winning. If a player plays risky or unorthodox, that's usually because they're either not confident in winning a standard game. Whether their internal evaluation is correct or not is a different question. | ||
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NoS-Craig
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LightSpectra
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On August 30 2025 11:29 NoS-Craig wrote: This has got to be one of the biggest upsets I've seen in ASL. I was totally expecting HerO to advance first. I'm surprised there isn't more discussion about this. herO at his best is about on par with Soulkey and probably had the best chance out of anyone this ASL to beat him. I'm not sure if he's fallen off, or everyone else has gotten better and outpaced him, or if it's just an unlucky year. | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey633 Posts
On August 30 2025 17:20 LightSpectra wrote: I'm surprised there isn't more discussion about this. herO at his best is about on par with Soulkey and probably had the best chance out of anyone this ASL to beat him. I'm not sure if he's fallen off, or everyone else has gotten better and outpaced him, or if it's just an unlucky year. On August 28 2025 22:21 mtcn77 wrote: You obviously know soulkey builds his impenetrable fortress around out of competition pros? Any titleholder in the defensive matrix can break the illusion any time. I say he is the reason Hero is performing so poorly since top competition is so different to prepare than the group stages. There, I said it. My take is he drinks and that is bad on nerves. PS: recently I came across some news that smelling roses is very good for the brain. Maybe he should pick up some better habits. | ||
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zutt0
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On August 30 2025 17:20 LightSpectra wrote: I'm surprised there isn't more discussion about this. herO at his best is about on par with Soulkey and probably had the best chance out of anyone this ASL to beat him. I'm not sure if he's fallen off, or everyone else has gotten better and outpaced him, or if it's just an unlucky year. It looks to me like he's fallen off, especially in ZvT. Over the last 9 months, Hero has losing records against Sharp (2-8), Rush (35-61), Light (17-34), Royal (25-33), and Flash (11-14), he's about even with Mind (6-6) and Speed (6-4). He is beating Barracks (14-9) and JyJ (20-12), but even those aren't particularly decisive. Jaedong, for instance, is 28-11 against Barracks. He's looked liked the weakest ZvZer of the top Zergs for the last couple of seasons (for example, he's 2-9 against Queen). He's still very good against Protoss, but unfortunately for him that wasn't relevant in his group. | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey633 Posts
On August 31 2025 01:11 zutt0 wrote: It looks to me like he's fallen off, especially in ZvT. Over the last 9 months, Hero has losing records against Sharp (2-8), Rush (35-61), Light (17-34), Royal (25-33), and Flash (11-14), he's about even with Mind (6-6) and Speed (6-4). He is beating Barracks (14-9) and JyJ (20-12), but even those aren't particularly decisive. Jaedong, for instance, is 28-11 against Barracks. He's looked liked the weakest ZvZer of the top Zergs for the last couple of seasons (for example, he's 2-9 against Queen). He's still very good against Protoss, but unfortunately for him that wasn't relevant in his group. You'll jinx him. His ASL17 performance against Snow was very unfortunate. Snow cornered him against a corner on Deja Vu sending psionic storms against his drones across the reef. It was a very cheesy move by Snow. | ||
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Sabu113
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RowdierBob
Australia13295 Posts
Edit: tomorrow it seems | ||
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goody153
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What the hell was that | ||
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goody153
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On August 31 2025 10:08 Sabu113 wrote: What happened to HerO lol. What a group. Actually really enjoyed how volatile it was. Absolutely enjoyable group but holy moly hero with a gigantic throw lol That was like a free game near the endgame and he managed to completely blow it up somehow | ||
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Shinokuki
United States923 Posts
On August 30 2025 17:20 LightSpectra wrote: I'm surprised there isn't more discussion about this. herO at his best is about on par with Soulkey and probably had the best chance out of anyone this ASL to beat him. I'm not sure if he's fallen off, or everyone else has gotten better and outpaced him, or if it's just an unlucky year. Hero has never been on par with soulkey. Hero is a tier below soulkey. S rank zergs are Queen, Soulkey, and Soma and everyone else below | ||
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bw2ku
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On September 01 2025 04:11 Shinokuki wrote: Hero has never been on par with soulkey. Hero is a tier below soulkey. S rank zergs are Queen, Soulkey, and Soma and everyone else below There's only one S-tier zerg, under SK there's Soma and Jaedong (his current form at least), followed by Hero & Queen. Effort can be insanely good, he's just not regularly showing it. Until he delivers consistency I'm not convinced he's going to go far this season. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1895 Posts
On September 01 2025 04:11 Shinokuki wrote: Hero has never been on par with soulkey. Hero is a tier below soulkey. S rank zergs are Queen, Soulkey, and Soma and everyone else below I mean, yeah? herO is not S-rank cuz he's only as good on Soulkey on his best days, Soulkey is as good as Soulkey every day lol | ||
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prosatan
Romania8496 Posts
Starting in less than four hours  | ||
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Kreuger
Sweden790 Posts
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Shinokuki
United States923 Posts
On September 01 2025 10:33 LightSpectra wrote: I mean, yeah? herO is not S-rank cuz he's only as good on Soulkey on his best days, Soulkey is as good as Soulkey every day lol Soma's best days is like ss tier then | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
He's not some SS tier zero but he's the zerg that is always showing up with S tier play. That being said I'm very curious how a couple series of ZvZs look because you can only win so many coin flips in a row even when it's weighted towards the better player. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1895 Posts
I'm less knowledgeable about ZvP but he looked to be steamrolling everyone except SnOw and BeSt the past four seasons. | ||
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