EPT[SKT1 vs KHAN] Shinhan PL R2 - Dec 04 2007 - Page 5
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Vomified
Bulgaria68 Posts
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aeronexus
United States392 Posts
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PuertoRican
United States5709 Posts
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NovaTheFeared
United States7232 Posts
On December 04 2007 20:54 game_no wrote: watch game 1,2,3 of savior vs bisu then tell what's his build. bisu build. On the RLT game fast expo into sair/reav with ground game instead of hardcore reaver has been done well before Bisu's time. Just because he used it once doesn't mean it's his his build. Bisu's trademark build is fast expo into constant sair pump, immediate tech to citadel and archives with 2 gates and dt harass. In other words sair/dt. That's what people are talking about when they say "Bisu build". Your ignorance causes confusion. There are a broad spectrum of fast expo into 1 star sair pump and they're all encompassed with the name Neogen PvZ. Like Sair harass -> +1 speedzeal attack. | ||
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plaszczka
Poland376 Posts
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kramus
United States1259 Posts
On December 04 2007 21:16 plaszczka wrote: wtf is FBH? Firebathero, Stork's teammate | ||
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game_no
Norway72 Posts
On December 04 2007 21:13 NovaTheFeared wrote: On the RLT game fast expo into sair/reav with ground game instead of hardcore reaver has been done well before Bisu's time. Just because he used it once doesn't mean it's his his build. Bisu's trademark build is fast expo into constant sair pump, immediate tech to citadel and archives with 2 gates and dt harass. In other words sair/dt. That's what people are talking about when they say "Bisu build". Your ignorance causes confusion. There are a broad spectrum of fast expo into 1 star sair pump and they're all encompassed with the name Neogen PvZ. Like Sair harass -> +1 speedzeal attack. "Savior doesn't have an answer for this, no zerg does." Somethings said during those games, and it wasn't 'sair/dt.' Stork starts using the same build he saw bisu use, july doesn't have an answer either and something tells me now that he does start using it, his PvZ will be indestructible too just like Bisu's. bisu build. | ||
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Naib
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Avius
Iraq1796 Posts
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Aesop
Hungary11305 Posts
On December 04 2007 21:19 Naib wrote: Same here .. although I put my faith in Stork in the end and he surely did not disappoint.Yet again I totally failed with my bet for the individual game results...but again I bet for the right team, funny | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7232 Posts
On December 04 2007 21:18 game_no wrote: "Savior doesn't have an answer for this, no zerg does." Somethings said during those games, and it wasn't 'sair/dt.' Stork starts using the same build he saw bisu use, july doesn't have an answer either and something tells me now that he does start using it, his PvZ will be indestructible too just like Bisu's. It's too early for the best counterbuild to Neogen PvZ to have been found. If you knew anything about starcraft history like this you'd know it takes several seasons for adaptation to take hold in the community. The FD rush is a great example. When it was first put forth all protoss players were having extreme difficulty dealing with it. Today it's almost never used. | ||
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
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Naib
Hungary4867 Posts
The Bisu build as someone already pointed out was the first thing that made him famous, and his PvZ fame high (as if, unstoppable) is FE -> sair + dt. That's THE Bisu-build, because noone really used it like him before (or not at all, if I'm correct). | ||
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HonestTea
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game_no
Norway72 Posts
On December 04 2007 21:25 Naib wrote: Besides game_no just because Bisu uses different builds after the FE -> sair + DT opening it doesn't mean every opening he chooses is a "Bisu build". If he did a 9-9-9 double gate rush, that would be Bisu build too? (theoretical question if you didn't detect, no need to answer). The Bisu build as someone already pointed out was the first thing that made him famous, and his PvZ fame high (as if, unstoppable) is FE -> sair + dt. That's THE Bisu-build, because noone really used it like him before (or not at all, if I'm correct). No it wouldn't because it wasn't coined by bisu as "no one having an answer for that build." bisu showed how to demolish savior through that build and if it was used all the time before, then all protoss wouldn't have been raped by zerg 70% loss rate but it wasn't. Stork saw the same build, used bisu's same order and the results are the same. bisu build. | ||
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Aesop
Hungary11305 Posts
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NovaTheFeared
United States7232 Posts
On December 04 2007 21:34 game_no wrote: No it wouldn't because it wasn't coined by bisu as "no one having an answer for that build." bisu showed how to demolish savior through that build and if it was used all the time before, then all protoss wouldn't have been raped by zerg 70% loss rate but it wasn't. Stork saw the same build, used bisu's same order and the results are the same. bisu build. Whether you agree or not, fast expo into 1 gate sair/reav and ground play was used well before Bisu. It cannot be his build. | ||
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game_no
Norway72 Posts
On December 04 2007 21:37 NovaTheFeared wrote: Whether you agree or not, fast expo into 1 gate sair/reav and ground play was used well before Bisu. It cannot be his build. every single build in this game has been used by someone in some form or another, this game didn't come out last year. this was His build that they had no answer for. bisu build. | ||
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kramus
United States1259 Posts
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NovaTheFeared
United States7232 Posts
On December 04 2007 21:41 game_no wrote: every single build in this game has been used by someone in some form or another, this game didn't come out last year. this was His build that they had no answer for. bisu build. I don't mean that it was used in one game I mean it was a common opening on maps that are good for it, particularly ones with enough ramps or island expansions that sair air control allow toss to take for free. Bisu had no hand in inventing or reinventing Sair/reav play, that was way way before his time. Watch games on Forte or Requiem and you'll see plenty of sair/reav before Bisu. | ||
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