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Braavos36402 Posts
On November 24 2007 05:40 AaO)Ace wrote:
Yayyy...not only did I get to see the most exciting game, Bisu vs Savior, but I got it spoiled by the picture before I even watched it. I was favoring slightly that Bisu would win but now with Savior 1-0 I'd have to say savior should have this pretty easy. 65% on Savior.
If you want to be sure not to be spoiled, don't click on the live report thread until you've watched the VODs.
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On November 24 2007 01:22 NonY[rC] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2007 00:59 Pistasj wrote:
There's a big fucking picture of Savior with the words "ressurection" over it. Yes, so is that the new way to report results? Post a picture of each player with a word attached and then write the winning words in a spoiler tag? Sounds pointless to me. Show nested quote +On November 24 2007 00:59 Pistasj wrote:
And considering saviors trouble with bisu, who do you think won the game? Considering that, you'd think Bisu would won the game. I don't see how this is relevant.
I guess The OP thinks most of the readers in this forum have reading comprehension skills beyond kindergarden.
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Bisu has come back from a 0-1 deficit vs Savior in a BO3 before. He can do it again. :O
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Jaedong isn't a fucking shoe in for the title. I hate you people 
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On November 23 2007 23:50 mousey.rr wrote:Is it really necessary to put "RESURECTION" or other random nicknames instead of who actually won in the results? Sorry maybe its not a big deal for most ppl but I don't follow sc enough to know what that means and had to search through the pages to find the winner all i wanna see is the results
word.
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Melbourne5338 Posts
On November 24 2007 05:59 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2007 01:22 NonY[rC] wrote:On November 24 2007 00:59 Pistasj wrote:
There's a big fucking picture of Savior with the words "ressurection" over it. Yes, so is that the new way to report results? Post a picture of each player with a word attached and then write the winning words in a spoiler tag? Sounds pointless to me. On November 24 2007 00:59 Pistasj wrote:
And considering saviors trouble with bisu, who do you think won the game? Considering that, you'd think Bisu would won the game. I don't see how this is relevant. I guess The OP thinks most of the readers in this forum have reading comprehension skills beyond kindergarden.
It isn't 100% though. If I want to just quickly check the report thread for results and I see a word there it doesn't tell me a definite yes/no answer. Who cares if there's a cute picture of the players involved with awesome words describing them. (Both Bisu and Savior lost in the MSL to mind and both had room to 'rise again', the picture could easily be a cute name for the game between these two fallen messiahs of the progaming world and thus could refer to either and thus not 100% concrete like a simple Savior > Bisu would be.)
IMHO Live Report OPs should keep bias and information separate, post your cheerful / predictions / hopes / dreams there, but make sure the information is quick and clear. Results for a sporting event printed in a newspaper will not only include an article and any photographs, but the results in an easy to read and noticeable box. Why bother having it at all, if you're going to make me have to work for the result anyway?
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On November 24 2007 05:40 AaO)Ace wrote:
Yayyy...not only did I get to see the most exciting game, Bisu vs Savior, but I got it spoiled by the picture before I even watched it. I was favoring slightly that Bisu would win but now with Savior 1-0 I'd have to say savior should have this pretty easy. 65% on Savior.
The picture was there before the games even started.
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Braavos36402 Posts
I edited the OP to make it more clear.
It now reads:
Results:+ Show Spoiler +UpMagiC > Hwasin Light < Jaedong R E S U R R E C T I O N Stork > Flash
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I think that the op was fine, and that anyone not being able to figure out who won from reading it is pretty dumb, but that's just my opinion. Sorry to hear you actually had to use your head for once to figure out who won because people didn't just straight spell it out for you.. but if you didn't already know the back-story behind Bisu and Savior, why would you even really care who won? Oh well, whatever.
Go Jaedong!
edit: lol above post 
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yeah if u dont follow the scene you don't care that much who won...
if u need results fast, type Savior @ TLPD and look for yourself
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On November 24 2007 07:27 SonuvBob wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2007 05:40 AaO)Ace wrote:
Yayyy...not only did I get to see the most exciting game, Bisu vs Savior, but I got it spoiled by the picture before I even watched it. I was favoring slightly that Bisu would win but now with Savior 1-0 I'd have to say savior should have this pretty easy. 65% on Savior. The picture was there before the games even started.
Yeah, no kidding, if you spoiler babies had looked in the thread before the games you would have seen it.
That being said
<3 <3 <3 RESSSURRECTIOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN <3 <3 <3
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Resurrection vs Revolution
o.O
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Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves ... still I really hope Savior can take this now.
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United States10774 Posts
WASHUP Savior.
Man, Light got manhandled by Jaedong. Please just do your standard one rax FE play
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CUBAN GANGSTER!
CUBAN GANGSTER!
CUBAN GANGSTER!
CUBAN GANGSTER!
CUBAN GANGSTER!
one powerful counter to Beesuit = deny early game scouting through ling speed, thats righttttttttt
On November 23 2007 20:25 teamsolid wrote:
Seriously... how do you counter Savior's denial of info/hydra timing push build? It's sort of like a guessing game. It could be one of four different openings from the zerg: 2 hatch muta, hydra timing push, 4 hatch greedy expo build, or just normal 3 hatch.
If you mass cannon up the front before main vs anything other than hydra timing, you're at a huge disadvantage vs 3 hatch standard build and auto-loss vs 2 hatch muta or 4 hatch expansions. If you cannon your main first, then you lose vs hydra timing like what happened here.
Don't play goddamn Beesuit? :p
But seriously, Bisu is normally a monster scouter, he needs to be more savvy about it. Send 2 probes, hide one, the other gets denied, sneak the hidden one through to look @ shit. You can afford to drain a few extra probes as toss unlike zerg's drones especially given how vital that early scout is.
At the very least, Bisu should have scouted that proxy hatch, wtf was that, ballsy move by Savior though. I mean DTs come semi-timed to deal with hydra wave, and the sairs can take ovies, also the DTs allow you to cut cannons so you don't get your econ totally fucked if the Zerg simply decides to whore expos instead.
Or he can try going back to more standard FE-> temp archives, you give up the sair but you gain insurance against the zerg through storm (hydra)/archon (muta). Although the loss of the sairs super scouting would be huge.
Credit to Savior for a return to his trademark psychological mastery. Trading quite a bit of eco for intelligence denial... showing off ling speed to Bisu... just toying with the best scouter in the world and keeping him in the dark... the motherfucker is back, ZvP.
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On November 23 2007 20:39 DrainX wrote:
If savior wins another game he will propebly meet stork in a semifinal. Savior vs Stork is 5-1 so far this year and Storks PvZ hasnt showed signs of improving imo. I would give Savior atleast a 50% chance to reach the final. I hope Jaedong doesnt make it there =( Upmagic vs Savior bo5 would be awesome.
Jaedong vs Savior would suck badly.
I'd say its pretty much guaranteed the Jae will take out the pansy Light, but Up vs Hwasin is not nearly so.
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Note that it is mainly protoss players that dislikes the OP.  Poor tosses are just a bit sore that their god, contrary to common belief, can fail to scout. Needless to say, I love the OP, and find it perfectly clear.
To add to the discussion:
Not only had Bisu resort to guessing, but as all he saw was 8 speedlings, he certainly was not lead to guess hydrapush. I mean, a 3 hatch speedling rush where he hides the lings would be an abvious guess. Also 2/3 hatch mutas doesn't suffer very much from getting 8 speedlings early. Hydra push however does suffer from a ling speed upgrade... You want all your gas (and minerals..) to go into range/speed uppgrade. That ling upgrade probably slowed down the hydra push quite a lot.
So while Bisu had to guess, I do not think 3 hatch hydra with proxy was among the builds he was guessing from. Savior controlled Bisus mind from the start.
I should also say this about bisus form:
1 LOST GAME AGAINST TOP PLAYER = SLUMP!!!
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On November 23 2007 20:30 M2 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2007 20:25 teamsolid wrote:
Seriously... how do you counter Savior's denial of info/hydra timing push build? It's sort of like a guessing game. It could be one of four different openings from the zerg: 2 hatch muta, hydra timing push, 4 hatch greedy expo build, or just normal 3 hatch.
If you mass cannon up the front before main vs anything other than hydra timing, you're at a huge disadvantage vs 3 hatch standard build and auto-loss vs 2 hatch muta or 4 hatch expansions. If you cannon your main first, then you lose vs hydra timing like what happened here. But the risk for zerg is almost the same coz if the toss guess right, zerg is dead
lol... protoss has 25% chance to guess right in this case... and you say it is the same risk for the zerg.. omg. 25 + 25 =/= 100
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SAVIOR!!!
I love starcraft!!!
for every strategy there is a counter!
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This was a beautiful Ro8.
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EPT
